GUNS IN THE NEWS - May 22-24, 2004

[CO Liberal]

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[CO Liberal]

1. West High Employee, Husband Die in Apparent Murder-Suicide (UT)

One more victim, and one less "law-abiding gun owner" for us to worry about. - Wayne

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West High Employee, Husband Die in Apparent Murder-Suicide
May 24, 2004

A woman and a man are dead after an apparent murder-suicide near West High School in Salt Lake City.

(Salt Lake City-AP) -- A woman and a man are dead after an apparent murder-suicide near West High School in Salt Lake City.

Police received the call about the shooting at 6:07 a-m this morning.

Police say witnesses reported seeing the man who may be the woman's estranged husband pull up in his car and shoot the woman as she arrived to work at West High School. Police say the man then turned the gun on himself.

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http://tv.ksl.com/index.php?nid=5&sid=95916

[CO Liberal]

2. Feds raid Nevada gun shows; 14 arrested

What was that the pro-gunners kept saying? "Gun shows are wholesome family entertainment?" Bullshit. - Wayne

Feds raid Nevada gun shows; 14 arrested

The Associated Press

RENO, Nev. -- Federal agents working undercover at gun shows in Nevada the past year have arrested 14 suspects on a variety of firearms charges that include illegally possessing machine guns and explosives, agents said Friday.

The FBI, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and local law enforcement agencies joined to apprehend the 13 men and one woman in five Western states -- Nevada, California, Utah, Idaho and Washington -- as part of "Operation Over the Line."

Nine of the suspects were arrested after search warrants were served Friday, and five others already were in custody as part of the investigation, said Daniel Bogden, U.S. attorney for Nevada.

They have been indicted by federal grand juries in Nevada and Idaho. The indictments, some dating to February, were unsealed Friday.

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http://www.sltrib.com/2004/May/05242004/utah/169270.asp

[slackmaster]

6. If this kind of thing happened all the time it wouldn't be newsworthy

Kudos to the police for doing their job!

:toast:

..."We want to show that you can't use gun shows as a vehicle to conduct illegal firearm sales," Torres said....

..."We are not targeting gun shows. We're targeting people who use gun shows as a conduit to traffic illegally in firearms," Torres said.

[CO Liberal]

7. But...

...how much of this goes on at gun shows that goes unreported?

:shrug:

[OpSomBlood]

8. There is always a heavy police presence at the shows I go to.

A gun show is the last place I would try to sell illegal merchandise, as the idiots in Nevada found out.

[RoeBear]

16. My thoughts exactly...

...the last place to try to get away with it. But a good place for the police to be. As a matter of fact I saw a policeman friend (not in his usual uniform) of mine at a gun show awhile ago and asked him what he was looking for. His reply was "Just looking around". I didn't get it then, do now.

[slackmaster]

9. Much easier to watch activity concentrated at a gun show...

...than scattered all over the city or county, isn't it?

I share OpSomBlood's observation that gun shows are crawling with police, both uniformed and undercover. I certainly hope the BATFE patrols gun shows. That's what we're paying them to do.

If I had an illegal gun to sell, a gun show would definitely not be the place to conduct the illegal transaction. The probability of getting busted is way too high.

...how much of this goes on at gun shows that goes unreported?

Probably a lot fewer illegal transactions than occur elsewhere. In San Diego County we have a major gun show about four weekends each year, at the Del Mar Fairgrounds. That leaves 361 days and hundreds of square miles of territory other than gun shows where illegal activity can happen, and most of the time there are no police around.

[MrBenchley]

28. Interestingly...

One of the scumbags nailed in the raid was a regular at one of those gun nut forums where the weepy "dilemna of the pro-gun liberal" was detailed.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=245485

[iverglas]

34. oh dear

Was he a Democrat?

.

[MrBenchley]

35. LOL!!

On that board??

[MrBenchley]

11. They're Tupperware parties for criminals

"The agents purchased guns over the past year at about 10 gun shows, one in Las Vegas and the rest in Reno, authorities said. The weapons include eight machine guns, 10 hand guns and 15 long guns, Torres said.
Items seized include a bulletproof vest, assault rifles and semiautomatic pistols. "

[CO Liberal]

3. Boy, 4, suffers 'critical' gun wound (IN)

Yet another family made safer through guns....NOT!!! - Wayne

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Boy, 4, suffers 'critical' gun wound

By Masaaki Harada

The Journal Gazette

A woman found her 4-year-old son critically injured by a gunshot wound in their rural Fort Wayne home Sunday morning, the Allen County Sheriff's Department said.

Police said no one was near the boy when he was found on the second floor of a house at 11514 Thiele Road. Detectives are trying to determine whether the shooting was accidental, spokesman Victor Hopkins said.

The boy was taken to a local hospital in critical condition, police said. His name was not released Sunday.

The mother called 911 at 9:20 a.m. after she found the boy on a bed in an upstairs room, police said. Further information about the child's injury was not available Sunday.

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http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/fortwayne/news/local/8744384.htm

[CO Liberal]

4. Man sought in fatal shooting arrested in Lakewood (WA)

It's stories like this that strengthen my opposition to CCW permits. - Wayne

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Man sought in fatal shooting arrested in Lakewood

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

LAKEWOOD, Wash. -- A man sought in a fatal shooting that said reportedly stemmed from an argument over a parking space has been arrested with a gun in his hand, authorities said.

Franklin Scott Dela-Cruz, 27, put down the weapon when he was surrounded by Tacoma police and Pierce County sheriff's deputies Friday evening as he unexpectedly emerged from an apartment near Western State Hospital, sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said.

Police and deputies had received a tip that Dela-Cruz was there, police officer Mark Fulghum said.

"A lot of manpower and hours have been put into this," he said. "It's a great thing to get him off the street and into custody."

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/aplocal_story.asp?category=6420&slug=WA%20Parking%20Death

[RoeBear]

17. CCW had nothing to do...

...with this event. This guy would have done this stupid crime if there was CCW in all 50 states or zero states.

If he had gone to the trouble of getting a CCW permit, and that's a big if from the sounds of this loser, he might have been made to realize in class the error of his ways. It was well discussed in my class that you don't want to draw your gun unless in an actual life
threatening situation.

[CO Liberal]

18. Oh, You Mean Like the Son of an NRA Official....

...who brandished his gun in a road rage incident???

[RoeBear]

19. You'll have to refresh...

...my memory. What state did he have his permit in?

[CO Liberal]

21. Here's a Link

It's to the Cyber News Service, so many pro-gunners will find this an acceptable news source. The story doesn't say anything about they guy's permit status - Wayne

Conservative Leader's Son Jailed In Road Rage Case
By Jim Burns
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
December 06, 2002

(CNSNews.com) - The son of a prominent Washington, D.C., conservative leader is scheduled to attend a hearing in federal court later this month after being arrested and charged with shooting at a motorist.

Federal Magistrate Judge T. Rawls Jones, Jr., Friday scheduled a Dec. 17 hearing for David Michael Keene, son of American Conservative Union Chairman David A. Keene.

U.S. Park Police said the 21-year-old Keene was arrested Wednesday evening and is accused of firing a gun at another motorist while driving on a suburban Washington parkway last weekend.

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Fear said Keene allegedly shot a bullet into another car Dec. 1 while traveling along a stretch of the George Washington Memorial Parkway, shattering the car's rear window. The bullet lodged in the driver's seat and came within inches of striking the driver, police said.

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Keene's father, besides being chairman of the ACU, is also on the board of directors of the National Rifle Association, which said the group's thoughts and prayers go out to the Keene family, according to NRA spokesman Andrew Arulanandam.

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http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=%5CCulture%5Carchive%5C200212%5CCUL20021206d.html

[CO Liberal]

22. And Another Related Story

Road rage shooter has history of emotional problems
By CINDY MORRIS

Special to Capitol Hill Blue
Dec 18, 2002, 07:25

David Michael Keene, the prominent national conservative activist's son charged in a road rage shooting on the George Washington Memorial Parkway, was institutionalized with "severe emotional problems" seven times between the ages of 8 and 13, his mother said Tuesday.

"He's had a continuing problem with impulse control, and an exaggerated belief that he was in more danger than he was in at times, causing him to respond in a way that was more excessive or out of line with what was going on," Keene's mother, Diana Carr, told reporters outside the U.S. District Court in Alexandria.

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Carr said the gun was registered in Keene's name and added that her son and his fiance were on their way to "target practice" at the time of the incident. Current federal state and gun laws prohibit sale and registration of firearms to persons who have been hospitalized with mental problems. A law enforcement source said they are investigating to see if Keene withheld information about his mental history when he purchased the firearm.

Virginia law requires that firearms carried in a vehicle be inaccessible to the driver or passengers while the vehicle is in operation unless the owner has a concealed carry permit. The George Washington Memorial Parkway is under federal jurisdiction but Park Police often invoke Virginia law during traffic stops and arrests. Keene listed his address as the District of Columbia, which has even stricter laws on ownership of handguns.

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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=12&num=1325

[slackmaster]

23. Neither article says Keene had a permit

The second one implies that he did not.

[CO Liberal]

24. The Second One Also Described His Mental Illnesses

Not the kind of person I think should be trusted with a gun under ANY circumstances.

A lot of you pro-gunners seem to think that getting a permit makes it impossible for someone to make a mistake or have a lapse of judgement. I say we are all human, and in a moment of rage there's no telling what someone might do. So why insert more guns into volatile situations??

:shrug:

[MrSandman]

33. He souldn't have had the firearm...

"Current federal state and gun laws prohibit sale and registration of firearms to persons who have been hospitalized with mental problems."

Lying on the 4473 sounds like maybe?

[CO Liberal]

5. Police identify Rayne shooting victim (LA)

Yet another argument for gun control. - Wayne

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Police identify Rayne shooting victim

May 24, 2004

RAYNE — Police on Sunday characterized the shooting death of a Rayne man over the weekend as a week-long argument turned deadly.

At 3:17 p.m. Saturday, Trenell “Prince” Morris was killed by a single gunshot wound to the chest at the corner of Reynolds and West Jeff Davis avenues. Dallas Dugas, 31, has been charged with second-degree murder.

The argument escalated until “one shot the other,” Police Chief George Melancon said.

Melancon said the argument was over Dugas’ niece, who Morris had been dating.

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http://www.theadvertiser.com/todaysbriefing/html/7AB8A174-55BA-4D7B-BF5D-E9AF255D989E.shtml

[MrBenchley]

10. Man Fatally Shot Outside West Side Gas Station (TX)

"SAN ANTONIO -- A man was shot to death during an argument on the West Side overnight.
According to police, two groups of men were arguing outside a gasoline station on Military Drive and Brownlead when shots rang out."

http://www.ksat.com/news/3338849/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

12. Teen Accidentally Shoots, Kills 11-Year Old Boy (CA)

"LOS ANGELES -- An 11-year-old boy died over the weekend from a gunshot wound suffered while visiting the Bell Gardens home of a 17-year-old boy, authorities said Monday.
The victim and his 10-year-old brother were at a residence in the 5700 block of Cecilia Street when the 17-year-old accidentally fired a revolver while playing with it late Friday night, said Deputy Alba Yates of the Sheriff's Headquarters Bureau."

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/3338847/detail.html

Quick...what right wing lobbying group that has odious nutcase Grover Norquist on its board publishes a disgraceful gun magazine for kids?

[Name removed]

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[MrBenchley]

25. The RKBA crowd loves to pimp for the NRA

and their idiotic agenda....

[RoeBear]

32. I guess I have to get used to being...

...referred to as a pimp by progressives, well one progressive anyways.

[MrBenchley]

13. Great Falls teen killed in shooting (SC)

"An early Sunday morning argument over a necklace led to the shooting death of one Great Falls teen, gunshot wounds to two others and a murder charge against a 20-year-old.
Taures Price, 20, of Great Falls was charged with murder in the death of Laquintus Brontay Boulware, 17, of 5300 Sweatt McCullough Road, Great Falls, according to Fairfield County Sheriff Herman Young. Boulware apparently died from multiple gunshot wounds from a 9mm semi-automatic assault rifle, he said.
Two other Great Falls teens, Stacy Mango, 18, and Anthony Reid, 16, were treated and released from Springs Memorial Hospital. Mango sustained a flesh wound to the hip, and Reid was shot in the upper leg."

http://www.heraldonline.com/local/story/3606876p-3208533c.html

[MrBenchley]

14. Teen Shot Before Crashing Into Creek Dies (IN)

"A teenager who was shot and crashed his car into a south-side creek Thursday died Saturday from injuries suffered in the incident.
Police said Brian Boles, 19, was shot twice in the leg, tried to drive home, but ended up crashing into a creek near State and Cruft streets.
A man who witnesses allege shot Boles, Jose Pimentel, was arrested Friday on an outstanding warrant charging him with theft, but he has not been charged in connection with Boles' death. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ibsys/20040524/lo_wrtv/2218662

[MrBenchley]

15. Milwaukee Man Shot, Killed Early Sunday

"Milwaukee police are trying to figure out why a man walking home with his girlfriend early Sunday morning was shot to death. The 58-year-old man and the woman were near the 2200 block of North 36th Street around midnight, when a car drove up to them."

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/kcra/20040524/lo_wisn/2218627

[MrBenchley]

26. Police Report: Man accused of shooting at police in Washougal

"A man was arrested after allegedly firing a gun outside a Washougal bar and then shooting at police as he fled early Sunday, according to the Washougal Police Department.
Timothy J. Grazin, 22, of Washougal, was arrested on suspicion of first-degree assault and attempting to elude.
Police say Grazin fired shots outside the Bigfoot Inn bar about 1:30 a.m. and then fled on foot. He allegedly fired more shots a block away before returning to the bar, where his car, a 2004 Ford Ranger, was parked. Police said he was despondent over a failed relationship. "

http://www.columbian.com/05242004/clark_co/148418.html

[MrBenchley]

27. Police investigate fatal west Denver shooting

"Denver police are investigating a fatal shooting involving three youths near West 14th Avenue and Lowell Boulevard late Sunday.
Police say they received several calls about shots fired in the area.
One boy was killed and two other youths were taken to the hospital for treatment. One had a leg wound and the other was shot in the back. Police said their injuries were not considered life threatening."

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36~53~2168834,00.html

[MrBenchley]

29. Suspect In Local Banquet Hall Shooting Identified (MI)

"A shooting at the Imperial House left five people wounded and one person dead after a shooting at the Clinton Township banquet hall.
Investigators said there was a concert by an Albanian singer at the hall at 34701 Groesbeck when the shooting occurred at about 1 a.m. Sunday.
Police are still looking for the suspect in the shooting. He's been identified as Kin Vukaj, 28, and he may be driving a 1989 white Ford van."

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/3338918/detail.html

[MrBenchley]

30. Man Arrested In Alleged 'Road Rage' Shooting (FL)

"Police say an argument led to a "road rage" shooting in Orange Park over the weekend, injuring one man.
Rick Jones of Green Cove Springs is listed in good condition at an area hospital after being shot late Friday.
Investigators said 21-year-old Jayson Wood got into an argument with Jones after the two had pulled over on the side of the road. Wood then allegedly shot Jones along Brannan Field Road and Old Jennings Road. "

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/wews/20040524/lo_wjxt/2218799

[MrBenchley]

31. Mebane Man Accused Of Shooting Daughter, Setting House On Fire (NC)

"MEBANE, N.C. -- A father has been arrested and charged with shooting his child.
Fire crews said they received reports about a house in Mebane on fire Monday morning. When crews arrived to put out the fire, they found 10-year-old Myesha Bishop in the back yard with a gunshot wound to the head.
Investigators said 37-year-old Rufus Bishop shot his daughter then tried to burn the house down with her inside. Luckily, the little girl escaped from the house. Officials think she jumped out a second-story window."

http://www.wral.com/news/3339831/detail.html