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TO Kid Donating Member (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:41 PM
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Elementary student cited for bringing a nonworking gun to school
I'm sure this will encourage respect for authority.

A grade school student was cited after bringing a firearm to school on Friday, Havre police said today.

Havre Public Schools Superintendent Kirk Miller said a 11-year-old student brought an unloaded .22-caliber pistol to Sunnyside Intermediate School with the intent to turn it over to school authorities. The child immediately took the weapon to the school principal, Miller said. The gun was missing a part and could not be fired, he added.

Havre police responded at 8:51 a.m.. and took the juvenile to the police station for questioning. He was issued a summons on a charge of possessing a weapon in a school building, police said.


http://www.havredailynews.com/articles/2004/06/01/local_headlines/student.txt
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bookman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:54 PM
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1. We once..
..had a student who brought in a non working hand grenade. Principal took it and put it in her desk and made parents come in.

That was before Columbine and 9/11.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:01 PM
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2. well hello there
Looks like a Guns in the News story to me. Nice of you to join us, nicer would be to check out the local customs.

I see that there is an ongoing investigation into the background to the incident you cite, and that there are facts that have been determined in the course of that investigation that have not been disclosed to the public.

As I'm sure you know, this could not have happened in Canada. Not that a child might not come into the possession of a handgun in Canada (although that's rather more unlikely), but the child could not be charged with an offence if it happened:

http://www.canlii.org/ca/sta/c-46/sec13.html

Criminal Code
PART I
General
Child under twelve

13. No person shall be convicted of an offence in respect of an act or omission on his part while that person was under the age of twelve years.
Canadian children (and children in many other places, I daresay) are not regarded as having the capacity to form the requisite intent to commit criminal offences, largely because of their lack of judgment and deficient ability to assess the consequences of their actions.

The 11-year-old in question here appears to have formed the intent to hand a firearm over to an appropriate adult. Expecting the child to know which appropriate adult was appropriate, i.e. which choice would not lead to breaking a law, is rather much to expect.

So it looks to me like what was inappropriate here was the law that permitted 11-year-olds to be charged with breaking laws when they aren't capable of figuring out how to both do the right thing and avoid breaking a law. To a child's mind, that law would have created a real catch-22 in this situation.

What were your thoughts?

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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:37 PM
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7. I agree with Iverglas on a gun issue...
...world ends tomorrow.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:37 PM
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3. There has to be something big missing from this story.
Havre police responded.....took the juvenile to the police station for questioning. He was issued a summons on a charge of possessing a weapon in a school building, police said.

Could you not just question the kid there at school? In private? At least give the kid the impression that his word is good until proven otherwise.

He said the child should have taken the gun to the police station to turn it in.

Stupid kid. I bet he would have filled out all the wrong forms too.

Miller said he didn't want to comment on how the child came into possession of the gun because he has not confirmed the information he has.

Maybe quietly confirm the story before you make a federal case out of it?

Miller said the district has no record of a firearm being brought onto a school campus before this.

I'm sure they don't. It is not like anyone would volunteer the information unless they did not know any better...like a little kid maybe.




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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:34 PM
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TexasMexican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 07:40 PM
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5. They dont?
Thats pretty fucking lame, glad I dont stay in Dorms.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 08:10 PM
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6. You can put someone's eye out with those things
n/t
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