Will gunners vote for a madman or against assault rifles?

[billbuckhead]

Last time it was the compassionate conservative vs the that know it all, freedom hating Al Gore. This time the choice is much more stark. Either you're with the un American traitors, torturers and rapists or you're for John Kerry. American politics mostly sucks and this time the unregulated weapons crowd gets the short end of the stick in the coming Kerry landslide.

[Columbia]

1. Why do you care?

Are bayonet lugs really so important that you are willing to lose an election for them?

Seriously, some folks seem to *like* losing.

[billbuckhead]

8. A line will eventually be drawn between commercially acceptable weapons

The gun enthusiasts won a Phyrric victory in 2000 and will now suffer the consequences.

One reason, I care because right now victims of sniper are being taken to the hospital.

[Columbia]

9. Ah, so you do believe that gun control cost Al Gore the 2000 election

And what in the world are you talking about here: "One reason, I care because right now victims of sniper are being taken to the hospital." and what in the world does that have ANYTHING to do with bayonet lugs?

[FeebMaster]

11. You know, bill

there's a political party that has passed all kinds of gun control in the last few decades. They ended the civilian production of a whole class of small arm. Those assault weapons you don't like? They doubled their prices before the AWB ever rolled along. When this political party passes gun control, you can be sure it's going to do more than take bayonet lugs and flash suppressors off of rifles.

[billbuckhead]

13. UNbelievably the gun crowd brags about putting these guys in power

John Kerry is for freedom. Assault rifles don't equal freedom.

[FeebMaster]

15. I don't care what the Republican gun crowd says.

They're morons. They think Reagan and Bush were and Bush is pro-gun for pity's sake. If you really want more gun control, it seems like it would be in your interest to vote for the people most likely to give it to you.

[billbuckhead]

17. I want what Europe, Australia and New Zealand have. Not what Repukes want

If I can have car from Europe or Australia, movies from Europe and Australia, food from Europe and Australia, why can't we have their gunregulation model? Think outside the box at least once. BTW, are you going to say Europeans are less free than Americans when Portuguese police let the soccer fans get stoned? In America we have hundreds of thousands of people in jail for the same thing. Americans don't have the same access to healthcare Euros have. Commercial sex is a crime unless you're William Bennett getting comped in Vegas. Europeans have stricter controls over governmental snooping.

[FeebMaster]

19. I keep telling you

there's a political party that passes all kinds of gun control when they get into power. Why try and convince the members of the party you currently belong to to support your ideals on gun control when that other party is busy implementing them?

Last I heard silencers were unregulated in New Zealand. I wonder if that's changed. Finland was pretty lenient, not sure on their regulations since I don't speak the language. Britain used to be unregulated, who knows now. Hmm. Maybe we can learn a few lessons from Europe and New Zealand.

[JayS]

30. "In America we have hundreds of thousands of people in jail"

Good deal, Bill! We are finally getting through to you on how the War On Drugs has brought this country more gun violence than even Prohibition did. There is hope for you yet.

[DoNotRefill]

33. Bill, you're in luck.

You can move to the country of your choice, and live under the laws you like. It's called "voting with your feet".

Ain't freedom grand?

[billbuckhead]

37. You're on the wrong side of history

The vast majority wants sensible gun regulation, we are not leaving. You may be the one leaving in the future.

[DoNotRefill]

41. If you try to make us leave...

do it wearing armor and using good gover, because we are not going to go quietly.

That's been done before. Never again. I'd rather die on my feet with the blood of fascists around me, than die on my knees with the fascists laughing at me. Either way, I'm still dead, but at least I'll have the satisfaction of not dying alone.

Yes, the forces of fascism are surging again. And you're collaborating with them on this issue, Bill.

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[DoNotRefill]

50. Us walter mitty gunwhores...Gee, thanks.

Bill, I know an 8 1/2 month pregnant woman who could undoubtedly kick your.....never mind.

If you ever come to Virginia, let us know. We'd love to have you as our guest.

BTW, I don't see the "Walter Mitty gunwhores" crying for the Government to disarm the PEOPLE...I see people like YOU calling for that. So who is the fascist tool again? The folks saying "It's the People's right to have guns"? Or the Folks saying "We don't trust the People enough to let them have guns, we'd MUCH rather be nice and disarmed and at the mercy of the Government and the corporations"?

[billbuckhead]

54. I grew up in a tough Western Pa steeltown at the base of the Applachian

mountains. In junior high the school bus dropped us off 40 minutes before school opened and we were unsupervised, all we had to do for fun was fight. I was on the high school rifleteam my sophmore year and gave up on it because of the Vietnam war and football was more fun. Instead of spending months in detention for fighting, I could beat the crap out of preppies from the good side of town, Italians from the bad side of town and hillbillies from the ridge and steal their girlfriends. I started at tackle on a class AAAA football team with a winning record in one of the toughest conferences in America at 175 lbs. I also ran the 440 and consistantly beat black guys from Pittsburgh. The team was so tough it won the WPIAL championship my freshman year. A third of the team went to college and half a dozen went jail. I think a couple are still in there. Our team wasn't as good but we still very violent. I dated black girls when hardly any white guys did in the mid seventies. In college I worked my way up to dunking a basketball at 6' ft tall. I have two gay sisters who are married to other women with children. I have a brother who is a state trooper. In my prime, I'd beat most of these silly walter mitty gunloving asses heads up and down off the pavement like a basketball. I've been shot at several times and didn't get hit. I guarandamnedtee you I ain't scared.

When Mark Barton went on his murderous rampage in the Buckhead financial district, I went down there and got my girlfriend and her coworker out of a neighboring building when the cops still hadn't found this gunwacko animal. This massacre hardened my feelings about guns. I don't want the worst people to have the best weapons any time they want to go down to WalMart and buy them.

If the stupid war in Iraq proves anything once and for all, a modern army of thousands can crush a nation of millions all armed with ak-47's. People who think they can take on a modern army with assault rifles are freeping MORANS.

[DoNotRefill]

57. Uh huh.

Yup, Move along, there's no insurgency in Iraq to see....

The most advanced military in the world has completely managed to pacify the Iraqi nation. The bodies of US troops being sent back to the US on a daily basis all died in horrible sports accidents, right?

In a "cage match" of you versus my 8 1/2 month pregnant wife, I'd still put money on my wife.

Judging by what you've said, and your self-proclaimed very violent past (bouncing heads "up and down off the pavement like a basketball", "but we still very violent"{sic}, et cetera) it sounds like you're anti-gun because you know if you keep that kind of behavior up, sooner or later one of your intended victims is going to shoot your ass, and it's going to be legally justified. Anger management classes on your part might be more advisable and effective than trying to ban guns in keeping you safe.

[billbuckhead]

60. Yeah, yeah, figures Walter Mitty would send out his wife to defend him

You can hide inside behind your gunporn magazine. I've been shot at and threatened with guns for no good reason. My girlfriend grew up with a guncreep brother who terrorized their family with guns and molested her. Unfortunately in this gunsick society, the only one like it in the western world, women and children bear much of the brunt of the violence that is multiplied by guns. Another child was killed by guns here in Atlanta yesterday and Walter Mitty gun creeps bear much of the blame for enabling this terrorism.

[DoNotRefill]

65. Shiat....

I wouldn't send my wife out to defend me, I'd let her have you just for her amusement.

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[DoNotRefill]

71. My wife and I have an understanding. She's free to....

kick the ass of whomever she wants, on demand and without apology. It's not for my amusement, it's for what she terms as "hormonal balancing."

BTW, I told her what you said, and her response was "I know a cat that could probably kick his ass." Of course, as a caveat, all of the cats she knows are both neutered and declawed. I guess that should tell you of the high opinion she holds you in...

:evilgrin:

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[DoNotRefill]

73. Actually, she's a flatlander, and so am I.

We both went to school in the mountains of Virginia (her for grad school, me for undergrad) and thought that the countryside was truly stunning, the people were generally friendly if treated with a modicum of respect, and the lack of overpopulation was refreshing. After living in an urban sewer while I completed my J.D., we decided to move back into the area. We have a fair bit of cultural sophistication available (at the major university), coupled with "small town living" in the town we live in.

I think my wife is the most beautiful woman on the planet. She apparently thinks I'm handsome. Frankly, I don't give a tinker's dam WHAT you think.

[billbuckhead]

78. I live in one of the most culturally, sexually, ethnically diverse zipcode

in the USA. Our neighborhood is full of big tall trees. I have great views out of large windows and the trees help keep the swimming pool a little shaded. My girlfriend is one of the best unknown artists in the nation, takes care of her elderly mom and ministers to the sick.

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[OpSomBlood]

77. Heh...he's MrBuckhead from now on.

And I think it's great that the anti-gun side feels the need to mention penises at least once a day as they relate to...gun...ownership.

Yeah, I see how that works. In any event, it sure makes their arguments look sane and sound.

Penis! Penis! Penis! Gun porn!

[JayS]

74. What a deeply disturbing story. And why in the world would...

...you take your girlfriend out in the thick of it instead of telling her to go to ground?

[billbuckhead]

79. After the massacre the cops couldn't find Mark Barton they thought he was

a around the neighborhood and about 5 hours later the cowardly gunner shot himself in the head when the cops surrounded him about 40 miles away up I75

[jtb33]

69. Yep...

The vast majority wants sensible gun regulation...


Yes, that is true... and the key word is sensible. The AWB is DEFINITELY not "sensible" in any way.

[T Town Jake]

2. Gee...

...for someone who stated a few posts back that he wished DU would abolish the J/PS forum you sure spend an awful lot of time down here...kinda like those fundie crusaders against porn who "battle" it's evuuuuul influence by browsing through reams and reams of it...

[billbuckhead]

6. I'm just pointing out that this issue is settled for this election

as far as the Democratic party is concerned. So at this point, it really is black and white. Besides it's the weapons enthusiasts who are always talking about gun porn.

[Lefty48197]

3. Freedom:

It's amazing how some people can corrupt the meaning of one little word.

[Cicero]

42. How's that?

:shrug:

Later,

[Bowline]

4. The problem is not so black and white.

If Bush wins we get four more years of the same. If Kerry wins we avoid four more years (very good!) but at what cost to our freedoms? Is beating Bush ALL that matters, or is getting someone (Kerry) elected AND holding him accountable for upholding the Constitution?

[billbuckhead]

44. The Supreme court has never overturned a gun regulation

and won't overturn the AWB.

[FeebMaster]

47. Well, it sunsets in September,

so I agree, they won't overturn it by then.

[JayS]

56. Interesting. So the Supreme Court did not overturn a portion...

...of the Brady Act? That will be news to them.

[vpigrad]

5. What?

> freedom hating Al Gore

What are you doing here if that's how you feel? You don't sound like a party member, at all!

[billbuckhead]

7. I was being ironic, sorry it went over your head

:D

[FeebMaster]

10. I think the real question is:

If Bush renews the AWB, since he's the only one who can do it before the election, will the gun grabbers vote for him?

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[billbuckhead]

14. I just noticed Feebmaster is the only one on this thread who has donated

to DU. What does it mean when someone has over a thousand posts and has not contributed?

[FeebMaster]

16. I just wanted to be able to start polls. (nt)

[billbuckhead]

18. So for all intents and purpose you don't support this website?

Very interesting. I would give more money to this site if they did away with this forum. I'd give a thousand immediately. I'm concerned that this forum has turned into NRA astroturf.

[FeebMaster]

20. What do you mean by support?

I donated some cash. I post here. I spend a fair chunk of my free time reading and posting here, in fact. I'm blatantly honest about my opinions. I even told the gun grabbers, a group I personally despise on so many levels, exactly how to get guns banned if they really wanted to. Up in GD:C2004 I laid out a strategy for Kerry that could pick him up some votes for free, even here on DU. It's not my fault no one seems interested in any of those ideas. I don't understand what you mean when you question that I support DU.

If I had a thousand dollars to give DU, I'd try and get them to ban people that randomly whine about the NRA. That's out of my price range though. :(

[MrSandman]

21. Or are you concerned that...

Democrats are not monolithic on gun control?

[T Town Jake]

22. "I would give more money to this site if they...

...did away with this forum." Hilarious! Absolutely knee-slapping, side-splitting hilarious! I thought you told us a wee few threads back that you where a "one issue" voter - that "issue" being guns. Face it, you LOVE this particular forum because it gives you a place to tote those slop buckets for the gun control crowd. Like a fundie vice-crusader who just can't seem to unglue his eyes from the pages of those stroke mags, you often talk about getting this forum shut down once and for all. But every time I hit "refresh" I see a new post in "Justice/Public Safety" from none other than...billbuckhead! Hilarious...just too, too rich for my ticklish ribcage.

[Union Thug]

23. what bothers me the most

...is the inclination for guys like Mr. Buckhead to paint all gun owners with the same brush. Geezus, I grew up around guns. I collect old Soviet guns (as well as other Soviet era items like communist party pins/badges, flags, etc). I'm not a killer or a 'gun nut', nor do I advocate an unregulated gun market. I'm an average working guy who has a hobby. What the hell is so wrong with that? I'm really baffled by the fanatical ranting by the 'ban'em all' crowd.

[T Town Jake]

24. Mention that to...

...the gun control crowd and they'll gurgle up about a thousand reasons why there is NO SUCH THING as a pro gun Democrat. All those guys with lunch buckets down at the Union Local who have a CCW license? They dont exist-they're all figments of their own imaginations. That avid Deer Hunter sitting next to you in the bar who's voted for every Democratic president since Jack Kennedy? He doesn't count: REAL Demcrats don't hunt Bambi. That truck driver who despises Republicans and whom you can always find in a duck blind with a shotgun come the proper season? *Poof* - Just another figment of his own imagination. Or, as someone around here put it, their votes are "tainted," and the Democratic Party DOESN'T NEED THEM.
I'm beginning to be won over by your argument that there might well be an element of class involved in this matter.

[Union Thug]

27. exactly!

You've just described my father... 65 years old, all his life he voted for Democrats, avid deer hunter and firearm owner. Proud union man.

If any one of these anti-gun fanatics tries to call my father anything but a great Democrat, they can go piss off. I'll personally kick their ass.


Work with your rifle beside you...

[slackmaster]

36. Also my beloved late stepfather

He died over 15 years ago and I miss him more than ever.

He was born in dire poverty in Georgia in 1919. Family moved to California in the early 1920s. Found some work but were still dirt poor.

The family homesteaded in east San Diego County in the early 1930s. Nearly everyone was poor at that time. My stepfather hunted for food as a child. Became an excellent shot out of necessity.

My stepfather got very sick as a teenager while working for the California Conservation Corps for $1 per day, which all went to his mother to feed the family. When the CCC sent him to Balboa Naval Hospital in San Diego for treatment, he thought the food served there was the best he'd ever had in his life, :eyes: so he resolved to join the Navy as soon as possible.

He joined the US Navy in 1934. His mom had written a letter falsely giving his birth year as 1918. They were accepting 16-year-olds in the Navy at the time. My mom has a copy of that letter.

He re-enlisted in 1938, just in time to be sucked into World War II. Served in the Pacific theater. Became a Radioman. After the war, served as electronic instructor. Qualified as Expert Marksman consistently and taught Basic Rifle.

My stepfather was a devout pacifict and lifelong loyal Democrat. He thought anyone who had seen combat and had any sense would have to become a pacifist.

In the late '60s he married my mom, who was widowed. He had divorced from his first marriage. My mom was a Republican. She's since quit the GOP.

We always had firearms in the house. My stepfather always toyed with the idea of going hunting but never did. I think the fact that he had to hunt in order to eat early in life always haunted him. He taught my brother and me to safely handle, clean, and shoot firearms at an early age. As a result neither of us have ever had any problems with them. He always thought of the right to keep and bear arms as a fundamental civil right, subject only to reasonable restrictions like the Gun Control Act of 1968.

And that is right about where I stand on the subject.

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[OpSomBlood]

29. It's pretty sad when people assume new usernames...

...just so they have someone to agree with them.

[JayS]

31. I tried using dual usernames on a board once.

I got in a flamewar with myself and the thread got locked. :)

[T Town Jake]

32. I guess I haven't been here long enough...

...to get it? Was Mr. B someone who got tombstoned and tried to come back under a different name? Just curious.

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[T Town Jake]

38. Ah, I see...

...so that's what that little sleeping icon is for, eh? Thanks for the info - and the good idea. I have a feeling that features going to come in handy, like about right now.

[Township75]

25. Do you even know what you're talking about?

It doesn't look like it from your question.

Vote for a madman or against assault rifles? Both Bush and Kerry support the ban on assualt rifles so it is a matter of voting against AWs, or against AWs, or 3 rd party, or not voting.

[billbuckhead]

45. If Bush was really for the AWB he'd get it passed. What B.S.

This the kind of hypocriscy, deception and outright lying the gunmongers love so much. Cheney shows up at an NRA rally, but Bush is for the AWB. BTW. Big Dickus Cheney had gun control going on whereever he goes, no guns were allowed into the event, maybe the rest of us deserve the same security Cheney gets.

[T Town Jake]

46. And don't forget...

...to remind us that he owns over 100 guns! Including 30 machine guns! The fact that a corrupt Republican VP happens to be a gun owner has SOOOOOO much to do with pro gun Democrats, after all.

[billbuckhead]

49. Owning 30 machine guns makes someone a sicko

Gee, what kind of thrill ones gets from shooting machine guns. This is James Bond villian material.

[DoNotRefill]

51. Thanks.

I've bought more than 30 machineguns in one transaction. Volume discount, and all that...

BTW, JFK (the REAL one) took great pleasure in shooting machineguns, including the M-16 when it first came out. I guess he was a James Bond villian too...

I'm sure I don't need to remind you of what Freud said about fear of weaponry...

[Liberal Classic]

52. James Bond villain?

I dreamt I had stainless steel teeth once. It was cool.

[DoNotRefill]

53. I once dreamed I had sharks with frikkin lasers....oops, never mind!!!

eom

:evilgrin:

[Liberal Classic]

26. I can't win for losing

Republicans call me a traitor, Democrats call me a traitor.

Is it any wonder that people are apathetic about politics?

The moniker 'dismal science' is wasted on economics.

[billbuckhead]

39. It should be an alarm bell to you that every national figure

against the AWB is either a facist or a nut. Every well respected Democrat politician is for the AWB.

[slackmaster]

40. Circular reasoning fallacy

Every well respected Democrat politician is for the AWB.

Just yesterday you declared yourself a single-issue voter, billbuckhead. IIRC you sayd the only thing you need to know about a politician is his or her view on guns. Therefore, you wouldn't respect anyone who disagreed with you.

Right, Bill?

[Township75]

43. What a surprise...

an anti gunner spewing venom about anyone who doesn't agree with them:

Every well respected Democrat politician is for the AWB.


Russ Feingold voted against renewing the AWB a few months ago. I guess he isn't well respected to some here

[billbuckhead]

55. McCain-Feingold

[Township75]

58. Feingold voted against the AWB....

so from your comments you must think he isnt a real Dem

[OpSomBlood]

59. Either that, or he's confusing the AWB with campaign finance reform.

I get the two mixed up all the time.

[FeebMaster]

63. Yeah, seriously.

Who can keep track?

[billbuckhead]

61. When push comes to shove Feingold will vote for AWB again

[Township75]

62. Push came-to-shove last time...

the rider was passed 52-48, votes don't get a lot closer.

Regardless, he voted for it, and you classified him as not a real Dem. Something to bookmark next time pro gunners are accused of not being liberal enough, or democrat enough, or whatever BS anti gunners wish to throw-out

[billbuckhead]

64. He didn't have to vote for it. When Kerry wants him to vote for it

he will.

[JayS]

66. Oooooh!!!

A dictator! I've always wanted to vote for one of those. I'll finally get some use from my latest book purchase, The Dictator's Guide To Ironfisted Spin.

When Kerry wants him to vote for it he will.

[billbuckhead]

67. If you think Kerry is so bad, why are you here?

One of the worst tyrannies we have here, is living under the threat of the highest gunviolence in the industrialized world.

[JayS]

68. I'm just going by your description of him. You seem to know...

...him well.

[Township75]

75. If he believed in supporting the AWB...

he would have.

He is known to vote on principle, and he did.

He is a fine democrat too! Despite what you would say about him.

[slackmaster]

35. False Dilemma, False Bifurcation, False Dichotomy, Oh My!

I'll be voting against George W. Bush in November.

[Wickerman]

80. Locking

and everyone wonders why we only keep a core group of participants in the forum. :eyes: