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goju Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 02:49 PM
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Democrats must pull the trigger
"For 35 years, ever since the Democratic Party got its liberal reputation from the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War, Democratic candidates for statewide office in Arkansas have needed to establish their culturally conservative bona fides by killing something, or at least taking serious aim at it.

If John Kerry knows what's good for him in Arkansas, he'll accept U.S. Sen. Mark Pryor's invitation to load up his gun and come here in September to have his picture taken while he tries to put the hurt on some doves, which will have the misfortune of being in season in the pivotal days leading to the election.

The Democratic presidential nominee would follow a star-studded tradition."

http://www.arkansasnews.com/archive/2004/08/12/JohnBrummett/272800.html

So now Im really confused, are guns an issue, or arent they?

Thoughts anyone?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 02:52 PM
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1. Are you REALLY confused?
"Democratic candidates for statewide office in Arkansas have needed to establish their culturally conservative bona fides by killing something"
Uh-HUH....
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:17 PM
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2. I'm gonna have a steak at Kerry meetup tonight.
Mmmmm.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:30 PM
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6. Be sure and wrestle it to the floor
and stab it with your knife while you're at it....
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:18 PM
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3. Sorry To Say
Guns are still an issue. I am a hunter and no one will ever take my guns away. You cannot beleive the fights I have had over the years trying to tell good Union people to not vote against there job because of this hot button issue. Because of this if I were Kerry I would blow away every thing I could between now and the election. Millions of votes are under the thumb of the Nra. Never question the power of this group. I do not belong to the National Republican Party other wise know as the NRA. Kerry hunts, or he better start!
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goju Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:22 PM
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4. It is sorry
And if we, as a party, dont start recognizing the power of gun voters, we will go the way of the AWB.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:32 PM
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7. Who the fuck are you trying to kid?
"I am a hunter and no one will ever take my guns away"
Gee, and I bet you've had many a fight over the years from folks trying to do just that....in a pig's eye.

"Millions of votes are under the thumb of the Nra"
So instead of countering their arguments with common sense and truth...let's pass along their lies!!! Wheeee!!!
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:55 PM
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15. I have an idea for a campaign
I mean, we all need something more entertaining to do.

Let's take up a petition to get J/PS removed from that latest-thread thing on whatever page that I don't look at it's on.

If we could do that, I think the number of pointless drive-bys we've been subjected to recently might be reduced considerably. And then maybe we could just get up to a real good chat about our noses and toeses and mm mmm naughty bits.

Or, I know. How about a formal debate. One the one side, those who advocate self defence with a gun, and on the other side, those who advocate self defence with a pregnant woman. The originators of the phrases that we take as our propositions, whom I shall not name out of delicate respect for the rules, can lead the charges. And we'll call it the "______ memorial debate", in honour of the one who cracked me up with that reading of the second proposition some time back.

I'm really sure that it would beat reading stuff like, oh, I am a hunter and no one will ever take my guns away all to hell.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:22 PM
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18. Sounds good to me...
Do you want to start it, or shall I?

"One the one side, those who advocate self defence with a gun, and on the other side, those who advocate self defence with a pregnant woman. "
Alphonse: Would you hit a pregnant woman with glasses?
Gaston: No, I'd use a brick.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:00 PM
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9. maybe
I am a hunter and no one will ever take my guns away. You cannot beleive the fights I have had over the years trying to tell good Union people to not vote against there job because of this hot button issue.

... you should have tried simply telling them that no one has ever been trying to take your or their guns away.

(I mean, unless they do their hunting with those super-duper assault weapon thingies -- or handguns, which some people would, yes, like to at least make it a little harder to get hold of ... although don't think I the Democratic Party has adopted that plank.)

Damn. That was *really* simple, wasn't it?


Kerry hunts, or he better start!

Why stop there? Why not become a Southern Baptist and get one of those anti-choice licence plates and drop in on Bob Jones University?

It's pretty sad if a candidate for office isn't permitted by the voters to act on his/her personal values in matters that have nothing to do with politics, and are simply none of anybody else's business.

Why can a politician (and I'm not referring specifically to Kerry, since I have no idea how he feels about killing doves) not just make it plain that s/he has no desire to interfere in what other people do in such matters, and be left to make his/her own decisions as well?

Has that homosexual lobby ever demanded that the candidates it supports provide living proof of their commitment to equal rights by snogging a few members of the same sex? Would any straight politician ever consider meeting such a demand? Would any pundit or constituent ever advise him/her to do so?

Narrow minds, narrow minds. And not on the part of the politicians. Surely there's some point at which the effort of trying to squeeze into those little narrow minds is just not worth it.

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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 11:07 AM
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32. "Millions of votes are under the thumb of the Nra"
and with the present leadership and general makeup fo the NRA what do you think it would take for the NRA to EVER endorse the Dem candidate? The Repuke candidate could be pro-gun control and the Dem a former hunting marine (huh?) and still the NRA would endorse the Repuke.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:27 PM
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5. Guns, or 'hunters' rights', remain a concern to rual populations
in Arkansas and elsewhere. The article points out that even our lady Senator, Blanche Lincoln, had to demonstrate she could 'kill' with the best of the good, ole boys!
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 03:44 PM
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8. demonstrate she could 'kill' with the best of the good, ole boys!
Why?
If you can't kill, you can't run for office?
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:40 PM
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13. You can run, but apparently, you can't win the election!!
P.S. I've only lived in Arkansas for 12 years!! And, yes, Clinton appeared 'hunting' ducks (or something) while running for President.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:11 PM
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10. Did she chaw and use a spitoon?
Damn...

You have no idea how impressive this sounds to folks who wear shoes and have indoor bathrooms...
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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. You gotta indoor bathroom?
Damn some people have it all.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:19 PM
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12. LOL!!
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 04:47 PM
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14. Incidentally, speaking of bathrooms....
Here's some info on the source of this toiletfish...

"Former congressman Jay Dickey wasn't happy with the coverage he was getting from an Arkansas newspaper in the race to reclaim his old House seat.
So he appealed to a close family friend whose company owns the Pine Bluff Commercial, which was ordered to endorse Dickey, prompting the paper's editor to resign in protest.
Among other things, the Republican candidate asked in an e-mail that the Commercial endorse him "and have coverage that will complement such endorsement, not look contradictory. Somehow devise a plan that will allow the pendulum to swing my way for a considerable period of time until a balance is achieved."
What's more, Dickey told the paper that he should be asked for comment on all news releases by his opponent, Democratic Rep. Mike Ross, "and don't ask him on mine all the time." Dickey also asked the Commercial to stop running letters by a local critic of his and "publish our favorable letters."
In an interview, Dickey defended his call to his friend Warren Stephens, chief executive of Little Rock-based Stephens Inc., the Commercial's corporate parent. Stephens steered Dickey to Sherman Frederick, president of Stephens Media Group, who ordered the paper to endorse Dickey. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A36625-2002Jul7¬Found=true

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/02/75.html

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TX-RAT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:01 PM
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16. Needs flushing
Better us yours, or I'll have to dig another hole.
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 08:56 AM
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27. anti-gun 'Democrats' ridiculing the rural poor, example #23,345
Of course, if those poor people living without indoor plumbing were in, say, Guatemala, our enlightened gun-controllers would be falling all over themselves in their eagerness to 'stand with them in solidarity'.

Un pueblo!
Unido!
Jamas sera
Vencido!


(repeat as needed to establish yer 'liberal' credentials)

:eyes:


Mary

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:02 AM
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28. Anti-civil rights fuckwits with guns in action....
Ask me if I give a crap if racist shitheels' feelings are hurt....

"if those poor people living without indoor plumbing were in, say, Guatemala"
Gee, northern spy.,...think those people in Guatemala know full well what sort of ugly specimen runs around with assault weapons?

"Silencing Gerardi, however, could not stop the truth from emerging. The church had given the voiceless victims a chance to speak. Most of those who offered their testimonies were indigenous women who had watched as their husbands or children were shot in front of them or dragged away, never to be seen again. Their need to tell their stories was so dramatic that, in some parishes, hundreds of widows lined up on the first day for taking testimonies. "

http://gbgm-umc.org/nwo/99ja/guatemala.html
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:22 AM
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29. uh -- some of those rural poor are black or members of Indian nations
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 09:24 AM by NorthernSpy
America has a multiracial working class, last I checked.

And where do you get off simply assuming that anyone who is both poor and white must necessarily be a racist? The KKK was started by rich folks.

I really wish that some people would quit trying to hide a fundamentally elitist agenda behind the legacy of the civil rights movement.

"Silencing Gerardi, however, could not stop the truth from emerging. The church had given the voiceless victims a chance to speak. Most of those who offered their testimonies were indigenous women who had watched as their husbands or children were shot in front of them or dragged away, never to be seen again. Their need to tell their stories was so dramatic that, in some parishes, hundreds of widows lined up on the first day for taking testimonies. "



Sounds as though those folks sure could use something to shoot back with. Of course, working class people in Central American countries have a history of taking up arms and defending their interests -- sometimes quite successfully. But then, that is usually the point at which affluent 'liberals' stop having anything nice to say about them...


Mary



(added scarequotes -- 'cause y'all deserve it!)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 09:26 AM
Response to Reply #29
30. Gee, and do you suppose THEY are the ones who distrust Democrats
because of their commitment to civil rights...because after all, that's who this idiotic essay says we should reach out to.


"I really wish that some people would quit trying to hide a fundamentally elitist agenda behind the legacy of the civil rights movement."
Bullshit. What you really hate is that the racist character of the gun rights movement has once again slipped out in public view...and this time, hilariously, in a "pro-gun democrat's" thread.

And that "elitist" bullshit didn't work when it was being used to prop up Jim Crow...and doesn 't work now.

"Sounds as though those folks sure could use something to shoot back with."
Or they could use fewer guns in the hands of ugly thugs.
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gatlingforme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 06:17 PM
Response to Reply #5
20. Very true, I live in a rural town and there are hunters and anti 2ndA
people all over., but I will say the hunters outnumber the anti 2ndA
people at least 2-1. With the exception of Chicago, there are alot of right-wing NRA people in Illinois - expecially downstate. NRA stinks in my book.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 06:19 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. What a pantload....
"the anti 2ndA people"
Pushing for repeal, are they?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 05:11 PM
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17. "are guns an issue, or arent they?"
I think what we need to know, before we could answer that question, is:

would it be okay with the local constitutents if Kerry just bit the heads off a few chickens instead?
If yes, then it seems that guns are not an issue. If no, then it seems that guns might be an issue, but we can't be sure yet.

So then what we need to know is:

would it be okay with the local constituents if Kerry just fired a few rounds off at some paper targets?
If yes, then it seems that guns are an issue. If no, then it seems that killing birds is an issue. But again, we can't be quite sure yet.

So then we ask one more question:

would it be okay with the local constituents if Kerry bit the heads off a few chickens *and* fired a few rounds off at some paper targets?

And then we should have our answer, if we didn't before.

If it is not okay for Kerry to just bite the heads off a few chickens, *and* it is not okay for Kerry to just fire a few rounds off at some paper targets, *but* it is okay for Kerry to both bite the heads off a few chickens and fire a few rounds off at some paper targets ... then we know that what the constituents are really looking for is a geek with good eyesight.

So how come they didn't vote for Al Gore??




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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 06:32 PM
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22. oh, come on
Somebody give me an LOL so I'm not spitting solitary diet coke here.


... we know that what the constituents are really looking for is a geek with good eyesight.
So how come they didn't vote for Al Gore??


That was gutbustingly hilarious. The twist, the tickle, all just right.

I remind me of that famous writer of short stories with a twist, so I'm awarding me another prize:


http://etext.library.adelaide.edu.au/aut/maupassant.html
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 06:43 PM
Response to Reply #22
23. Mildly amusing...
but deMaupassant territory?
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 11:31 PM
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24. perhaps this is the problem
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=geek&f=1

"38 definitions of geek"

The term "geek" originally referred to the carnival performers
whose act consisted of biting the heads off chickens
and eating
glass. Over time it came to be applied to anyone who got paid
to do work considered odd or bizarre by mainstream society.

Soooo ...

... if it is not okay for Kerry to just bite the heads off a few chickens,
*and* it is not okay for Kerry to just fire a few rounds off at some paper targets,
*but* it is okay for Kerry to both bite the heads off a few chickens and fire a few rounds off at some paper targets

... then we know that what the constituents are really looking for is a geek with good eyesight.

So how come they didn't vote for Al Gore??


HAHAHAHAHA. Jeez, this is a really bad room.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 06:52 AM
Response to Reply #24
25. Always wanted to see the Tyrone Power film
in which he plays a sideshow geek....(Nigthmare Alley?) For some reason, it doesn't get played on Turner Classic much...
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 11:12 AM
Response to Reply #24
33. Crap, to contain Iverglas I might just have to revive Bad Joke Friday
eom
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-12-04 06:10 PM
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19. By the way....
Edited on Thu Aug-12-04 06:11 PM by MrBenchley
"the Democratic Party got its liberal reputation from the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War"
Can you imagine the hullaballoo we'd have here if I had posted an opinion piece alleging that gun owners are racist shitheads...like this guy is doing?

Good going, cowboys....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 06:54 AM
Response to Reply #19
26. Incidentally, Iverglas...
I hope YOU find it as amusing as I do that after all these months of dishonest hullaballoo about somebody "alleging all gun owners are racists" we finally GOT that allegation...in this essay posted by a pro gun democrat from a source that once made DU's Top Ten Idiots list...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 10:53 AM
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31. Gratuitous kick...
So now I'm really confused...are all racists gun nuts (as can be shown with a little research), or, as this essay suggests, are all gun nuts racist?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 02:04 PM
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34. A kick just for feeb....
What was this guy's pet crusade for most of his slimy career? Oh, yeah, keeping Missouri's schools segregated....bet he's STILL upset about Democrats and the civil rights movement....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #34
35. Nope, still not seeing it.
Maybe you could quote the part where it says all gun owners are racist.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 03:21 PM
Response to Reply #35
36. That's okay, feeb....
It's there whether you see it or not...
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #36
37. Then it should be easy for you to quote. (nt)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 03:50 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Yup...that's why it's been quoted a bunch of times already....
Wonder why anybody with a brain in their head thinks we ought to try to impress those armed racist fuckwits who are still worked up over Democrats and the civil rights movement....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #38
39. It's been quoted?
Edited on Fri Aug-13-04 04:18 PM by FeebMaster
Maybe you could quote it again for me or link me to where it has been quoted.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 04:31 PM
Response to Reply #39
40. Yup....
Why would I do anything for you, feeb? You little song & dance over the "J/PS topics on the front page" issue showed what a discussion with you is worth...
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #40
41. What little song and dance is that?
You've claimed that according to this thread all gun owners are racists. I'm just asking you to back up that claim.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 05:17 PM
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42. What song and dance? croons feeb....

I always will remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a morning bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

I was in no mood to trifle,
I took down my trusty rifle
And went out to stalk my prey.
What a haul I made that day!
I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

The law was very firm, it
Took away my permit,
The worst punishment I ever endured.
It turned out there was a reason,
Cows were out of season,
And one of the hunters wasn't insured.

People ask me how I do it,
And I say "There's nothin' to it,
You just stand there lookin' cute,
And when something moves, you shoot!"
And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.

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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-13-04 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #42
43. I don't recall singing that song. (nt)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 02:50 PM
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44. Another little kicky for our Nazi-glorifying friends...
so glad they have a written rule banning that at least one gun show...

Bet the neoNazis share that disdain and disgust for "the civil rights movement" that our essayist says good old boys with guns have in spades...
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #44
45. Thanks.
I'm still waiting for a quote of where it says all gun owners are racist though.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:17 PM
Response to Reply #45
46. Be sure and hold your breath while waiting...
It will make the time pass more quickly...
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:43 PM
Response to Reply #46
47. So you're saying it doesn't say
all gun owners are racists now?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:52 PM
Response to Reply #47
48. No, it does, even if you want to pretend otherwise...
But it's not worth discussing it with you...for reasons that are obvious.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #48
49. Oh, it does?
Maybe you could quote where it says that all gun owners are racists.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:54 PM
Response to Reply #49
50. It does....
and I'm happy to keep the thread kicked, too....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #50
51. Maybe you could quote where it says
all gun owners are racists for me. I must have missed it.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:02 PM
Response to Reply #51
52. Sure will, feeb...just wait right here (snicker)
Meanwhile, I'll let everybody else wonder why people outraged about Democrats embracing the civil rights movement need to shoot at birds....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:24 PM
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53. Oh that civil rights line?
That's the big "all gun owners are racists" line? That's sad.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 05:55 PM
Response to Reply #54
55. Oh, sorry. I think you misunderstood.
"What about your shtick ISN'T sad, feeb?"

I think it's sad that you're trying to peddle that "For 35 years, ever since the Democratic Party got its liberal reputation from the civil rights movement and the Vietnam War, Democratic candidates for statewide office in Arkansas have needed to establish their culturally conservative bona fides by killing something, or at least taking serious aim at it." means all gun owners are racists.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 05:58 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. No, feeb, I've had your number since the first few posts...
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #56
57. Well that shouldn't have been too hard
since I've advocated the same things since I started posting.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #57
58. Yup....and it's been way-y-y-y-y sad....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:09 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Not as sad
"Yup....and it's been way-y-y-y-y sad...."

as this latest attempt to paint all gun owners as racists.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #59
60. Deny it all you like...
but the essay clearly says it.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:22 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. Yes.
The essay clearly says all gun owners are racists. In fact, the only way it could possibly be more clear is if it actually said "all gun owners are racists."
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udeligv Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 12:49 AM
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62. see and raise
Kerry doesn't have to kill anything to prove anything. He's already trumped that, long ago. He's killed PEOPLE.

As far as I've been able to determine, if elected he will be the first US President since Teddy Roosevelt ever to have killed anyone personally.

Which I don't say as criticism; if anything it's a plus - a man who knows how it feels to kill somebody might be less likely to want to send others out to have to do it. I'm just saying he doesn't have to prove his testosterone credentials.

Actually I'm just screwing around trying to rack up enough replies so I can post an announcement I came here to make; and I'm just about ready to say Soddit & Buggerit, Attorneys-at-Law. But this struck me as an amusing thread.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #62
63. I got no problem keeping it kicked...
"As far as I've been able to determine, if elected he will be the first US President since Teddy Roosevelt ever to have killed anyone personally."
Jeeze, guess you must be broken-hearted the "Don King for President" boomlet died out. However, Laura Bush killed her ex-boyfriend....guess that makes her the bestest ever First Lady by your lights.

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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
64. Another kicky-wicky
just for Nazi-gloritying crap at gun shows....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 07:40 AM
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65. A nice little kick
for all those pimping for the NRA and Larry Pratt's little klavern....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. I know J/PS is a lightning quick forum
with thousands of gun threads pushing everything off the first page in a matter of minutes and all, but is it really necessary to kick a thread that's not even halfway down the page yet? I know, I know it apparently says all gun owners are racists somewhere. Why don't you go ask the admin to sticky it?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:39 AM
Response to Reply #66
67. How tragic for you, feeb.....
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 11:41 AM by MrBenchley
"NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre declared in the May 2000 issue of American Rifleman, "There are many politicians willing to sacrifice the Second Amendment as the first step in the homogenization of American culture." LaPierre denied that the statement contained "racial overtones," and claimed that the NRA "has a proud relationship with the African-American community." "

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/index.html
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 11:49 AM
Response to Reply #67
68. What does the NRA have to do with anything? (nt)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:17 PM
Response to Reply #68
69. Hahahahahahaha.....
"In December 1997, Heston delivered a speech before the Free Congress Foundation in which he made inflammatory remarks regarding women, gays and lesbians, and African Americans; while at the same time trivializing the Holocaust."

http://www.vpc.org/nrainfo/heston.html
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #69
70. Yup.
More proof that all gun owners are racists.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. Yup....after all....
Edited on Mon Aug-16-04 12:51 PM by MrBenchley
Gotta appeal to those fuckwits who still resent the civil rights movement....in a pig's eye.
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Right
because all gun owners are racists just like it says.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 01:05 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. You got it, feeb.....
Can't have a liberal reputation for backing civil rights and expect to reach gun owning fuckwits.....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Of course not.
Everyone knows that all gun owners are racists and maybe even racist fuckwits.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. This essay certainly says so....
But then it's no surprise that pretty much every civil rights organization around ended up on the NRA's idiotic enemies list....

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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. Yeah but the NRA only represents
4 million of those racist fuckwits. There's tens of million of more of those racist gun owners out there. Maybe only the real fuckwits out of the whole racist pantload of gun owners end up in the NRA.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 03:01 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. Keep on wishing and hoping, feeb....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. Wishing and hoping for what? (nt)
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:09 PM
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79. A kick for the Larry Pratt fans....
"The second amendment ain't about duck hunting," Larry Pratt began. The crowd of 150 neo-Nazis and self-described Christian patriots laughed. Looking like a slightly rumpled accountant, Pratt, the executive director of the Washington, D.C., organization should be able to own the military assault weapon of his choice - and form a militia to back up his rights. It was October 1992, and the men - and they were all men - had traveled thousands of miles from more than 14 states, sometimes sleeping in their cars, to Estes Park, Colo., a resort town two hours from Denver, at the eastern entrance to Rocky Mountain National Park. Some of those who attended had already been to jail for their cause, and others were prepared to go. Although many of the participants had met before, this gathering was different. This meeting marked the birth of the modern militia movement that would tie well-armed radicals to gun advocates in a right-wing national network."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/militia/militia7.html
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #79
80. Kind of wordy.
"The crowd of 150 neo-Nazis and self-described Christian patriots laughed."

They should have just said 'the crowd of 150 racists laughed.'

Also kind of inaccurate.

"organization should be able to own the military assault weapon of his choice "

The military doesn't issue assault weapons.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #80
82. Tough titty, feeb....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #82
84. I'm just saying.
They could have saved on the typing since all gun owners are racists. Maybe the author got paid by the word.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #79
81. Sorry, but...
...not everyone who ever owned a TEC-9 is part of some nutball militia.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #81
83. That IS funny.....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 10:06 PM
Response to Original message
85. Another happy little kick
for all those "pro gun democrats" still cheesed off about the civil rights movement....
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-17-04 06:57 AM
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86. The morning's little kick....
"It was therefore no surprise to learn that his (Pat Buchanan's) campaign cochairman, Larry Pratt, attended meetings with members of the Aryan Nation and other neofascist groups at which they shared a common interest in armed militias. Or that Buchanan would rush to his defense. Why not? Pratt, the president of Gun Owners of America, could deliver an important constituency in New Hampshire."

http://www.robertscheer.com/1_natcolumn/96_columns/022096.htm
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-18-04 03:45 PM
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87. Today's kicky-wicky...
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 08:52 AM
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88. Get along little doggie....
Why do "gun rights" advocates dislike Democrats so? From the horse's ass, er, mouth: "ever since the Democratic Party got its liberal reputation from the civil rights movement"
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #88
89. Yup.
All gun owners are racists. Why did you put "gun rights" in quotes? Are you just using them randomly now? Sounds "like fun."
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 12:19 PM
Response to Reply #89
90. Got this essay saying so, feeb....
And sure IS true that every racist we can find is spouting this "gun rights" horseshit at the top of their rancid lungs.

"Why did you put "gun rights" in quotes?"
Because I felt like it, feeb.

"JOHNSON CITY, Tennessee (AP) -- A bullet fired in the air during a Ku Klux Klan initiation ceremony came down and struck a participant in the head, critically injuring him, authorities said.
Gregory Allen Freeman, 45, was charged with aggravated assault and reckless endangerment in the Saturday night incident that wounded Jeffery S. Murr, 24. "

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/South/11/24/klan.initiation.ap/


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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. "Oh. I "see."
But you really can't "argue," all "gun owners" are definitely racists. It "says" so plain as "day." And look at this "new" one. "Someone" shot at a KKK "ceremony." More proof "that" all "gun owners" are racists.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. Rant on, feeb....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 01:34 PM
Response to Reply #92
93. "Who" is "ranting?" "nt"
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 01:41 PM
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94. "You" "are"
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 01:50 PM
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95. "If" "you" say "so." ("nt")
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 01:57 PM
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96. I'm just kicking it along, feeb....
You're the one trying to pretend it doesn't say what it says....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:26 PM
Response to Reply #96
97. Oh, "there's" no denying "it"
It obviously says all "gun owners" are racists.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:27 PM
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98. Which is why your posts are so funny....
Next ask me if you can kick the thread again...
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 02:28 PM
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99. "Maybe" "you" should just "ask" the admin "to" "sticky" it. "(nt)"
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:10 PM
Response to Reply #99
100. Why bother?
Edited on Thu Aug-19-04 03:10 PM by MrBenchley
I can get somebody to kick it as often as I want....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #100
101. "Yes" you kick it "every" day.
Why, it "hasn't" even fallen "below" halfway down the "first" page.
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:10 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. Yup....
Nor do I plan to let it fall very far...

And whne it reaches the 200 post mark, I may even start another thread on it, just to remind the board that a pro-gun essayist let the cat out of the bag....
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FeebMaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-19-04 04:13 PM
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103. "All" the more reason "to get" it "stickied." "Less" work. "nt"
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 07:27 AM
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104. This morning's little kick...
"Guns entered national politics in the 1970s. What is called the gun rights movement sprang into motion against a waning civil rights movement and a growing push for women's rights. One organizer of gun rights from the early '70s put it bluntly when I interviewed him. Conservatives were taking a beating. Something was needed to "reverse the flow in the pipes" of the civil rights movement. The social movements based on the rights of women and minorities had bolstered the Democratic Party. Conservatives who had fought against the gains of civil rights and the Equal Rights Amendment needed to counter. Enter the gun."

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/176458_focus06.html
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Wickerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-20-04 12:12 PM
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105. This was an unpleasant thread and I am locking
since, for whatever reason, continues to be kicked.
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