Teen Fails To Buy Gun Company: How did I miss this?

[skippythwndrdog]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/12/national/main635641.shtml

<snip> Brandon Maxfield's final bid of $505,000 to buy Bryco Arms, one of the nation's leading makers of inexpensive guns known as Saturday night specials, fell short. He had wanted to acquire it in order to shut it down.

Bryco manufactures poorly made firearms. I own one of their products. It was given to me via an uncle's will alond with some other firearms. After I examined it, I locked it in the safe where it remains. It would probably make a good sinker for a trot line. (For you folks out west where the rivers are more like creeks around here, a trot line runs from one bank of a river to the other and usually has from 50 to 100 hooks.)

While it doesn't bother me a bit to see Bryco in bankruptcy (I hope the doors dtay closed unless they make huge strides forward in quality), it is good to see that the anti-RKBA movement lost a chance for a propaganda coup.

[Dogmudgeon]

1. You're sure this was a good thing?

I have been under the impression that Saturday Night Specials are dangerous to the shooter as well as the target.

I'm not exactly anti-RKBA, but some of the stuff that goes on in the name of the Second Amendment ain't exactly inspirational. It's been a tough fight for both (all?) sides, and the strain has taken its toll.

Ah, I'm just rambling on. The problem is violence, and I've always thought that poor workmanship in precision-critical engineering was a form of violence to both craft and life ... but sleep beckons.

--bkl
Sleep: Genocidal alien creatures, songs I can't remember, pretty girls who twirl their hair, and endless snow.

[DoNotRefill]

2. Yup...what business do poor people have with guns?

hell, they're uppity enough since we let them vote....

/sarcasm

really cheap guns sometimes fail to function reliably, but it's pretty rare for one to actually blow up and hurt somebody.

[Fescue4u]

3. Thats an unusual situation

And I have mixed feelings.

I feel sorry for the poor kid. He's crippled for life because of a terrible accident.

And Bryco makes terrible guns. Really crappy ones that in general ARE unsafe (for reason other what was at issue)

YET. Yet the accident had nothing to do with the quality of the guns (the judgement notwithstanding). The "DEFECT" is one proably 75% of all guns have..that is you cant unload it with the safety on. Even the vaulted Gov. 1911 has this feature.

This kid was crippled because someone pointed the gun at him and pulled the trigger. The blame should go to the babysitter, and perhaps the parents as well.

Further YET.. Poor people needs guns to. While I can afford to buy a beautiful Kimber 1911 with a sticker of over $1,000, that is simple not possible for many.

In the end, everyone loses in this case. The kid his vitality. He lost his case. The owners were bankrupted for all the wrong reasons and the person at fault (the babysitter) gets off scott free.

[iverglas]

4. and of course the real / "justice" issue here is ...

Well, it isn't Yet the accident had nothing to do with the quality of the guns (the judgement notwithstanding).

Nooo, folks. And it isn't The blame should go to the babysitter, and perhaps the parents as well.

No, we haven't got it yet. And it isn't Poor people needs guns to<o>.

Nope. Still looking.

Could it be In the end, everyone loses in this case. ... The owners were bankrupted for all the wrong reasons?

Well, the unsuspecting and uninformed might think it is. I mean, the unsuspecting and uninformed might actually believe that the owners actually "were bankrupted".


Hmm. Is FeebMaster uninformed? Is he really not aware of what this "bankruptcy" is all about?

'Cause that, y'see, is the real "justice" issue here. The ability of judgment debtors (and y'know, it just doesn't matter what anybody's opinion of the judgment is -- there is a judgment) to avoid satisfying judgments by declaring bankruptcy, and yet suffer no financial loss themselves!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=64027

A unanimous jury found Bryco Arms, the manufacturer of the pistol, responsible for its defective design and for Brandon's injuries and medical expenses. Rather than redesign the pistols, ... Bryco Arms and the pistol's designer Bruce Jennings declared bankruptcy, and are now attempting to reorganize under a new name to continue making the same defective "Saturday Night Specials," ... . ... On June 17th, the bankruptcy court will auction off Bryco Arms' gun-making equipment and other assets. Bryco Arms plans to sell them to its long-time plant manager, to simply continue the production of these defective pistols under a new name.

And, previously,

Corporate profits were immediately distributed, with Bruce Jennings "loaning" back working capital as a secured creditor, and the corporations carrying only minimal assets, no reserves, and as of April 1, 1994 (five days before Brandon's accident), no liability insurance. Bruce Jennings has bragged that if a judgment were ever obtained against him, he would simply file bankruptcy and reorganize again.

Oh, and there's FeebMaster, chattering away in that thread. And now here he is again today, chattering away as if this bankruptcy were a great tragedy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=65648

Last year a jury awarded him $51m (£27.8m) damages, of which the gun manufacturer was made liable for $23m.

The following day Bryco Arms filed for bankruptcy. But the Maxfields' lawyers became suspicious when a $150,000 bid to buy the company was made by a former plant foreman. At the same time as Bruce Jennings, the owner of Bryco, declared that he planned to retire from the business, his wife applied for a firearms sales licence.

And there's FeebMaster again ... and here he is again today, weeping weeps for the poor bankrupts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=68484

The California attorney general's office has intervened in a federal bankruptcy trial in a way that could help a teenager buy out and shut down the manufacturer of a semiautomatic handgun with a design flaw that has left the boy paralyzed from the neck down since the age of 7.

In a highly unusual action, Randy Rossi, director of the firearms division of the California Department of Justice, wrote to a federal bankruptcy judge in Florida yesterday that Paul Jimenez, the man the judge tentatively approved to buy the manufacturer, was ineligible to make guns because he lacked federal and California firearms licenses.

Guess they got over that little hurdle.

From today's article:

Paul Jimenez, Bryco's former foreman, purchased the company for $510,000, in spirited bidding that increased by $5,000 increments from the opening bid of $175,000. ... Included in the purchase was about 75,600 unassembled guns.

Well hey, that seems like a fair price, eh? Who wouldn't agree to sell a business like that for half a mil?

Gosh ... maybe somebody who was actually selling his business ...

And there we have the real "justice" issue in this case.

And do let's all note the actual facts:

The Oakland jury assigned more than half the blame to the boy's parents and baby sitter, but said the gun maker also was liable because the pistol could only be unloaded when its trigger safety catch was switched off.

A trust established for the boy has collected $8.75 million from an ex-wife of Jennings and from the insurance company of a gun distributor. It had not collected any money from Jennings, who shuttered his factory, moved to Florida and put his manufacturing business into bankruptcy.

[TheRovingGourmet]

6. This sort of bankruptcy abuse happens here a lot because

you can shield a lot of assets here when you go bankrupt. If you see a home builder building a HUGH house for himself and buying two very expensive cars (you can keep two cars) then don't do any business with him!

I feel for the kid but he was not going to accomplish much by destroying some gun parts; someone else would fill whatever hole in the market this made. I hope he takes the money and sets up some scholarships for poor kids to get an education and not end up like him.

[iverglas]

7. you must be in Florida

I mentioned in one of those earlier discussions that there is a large house in Florida somewhere, built, in part with my dad's money, by a gentleman from Ontario whose father had a sudden urge to retire there after a couple of judgments were issued against the son ...

Homesteads, that's what they call 'em. Well, I guess I can hope that its roof recently came off. Or worse.

I think that the idea behind buying the business wasn't just to acquire the gun parts, I think you probably see. The business, and the gun parts, are not now actually being sold, I think we can all probably tell. The sale was from old owner to "new owner" ... but meet the new owner, same as the old owner. Had he not reacquired the business by proxy, he actually would have lost quite a lot more than the half-mil he ended up "paying" for the business, since obviously its value to him was considerably more than that.

Plainly the boy was willing to forego the money that he could have made by buying the business and assets for a low price and putting the investment to work some way, rather than melting it down. It would have cost him anything more he might have got in terms of proceeds of the judgment, but it would have cost the owner all those future profits. Retribution, if not compensation; an eye for an eye, rather than damages for an eye. One might even have hoped that this fact would have put a damper on the recurring bouts of whining about all the money awarded to him.

I feel for the kid but he was not going to accomplish much by destroying some gun parts; someone else would fill whatever hole in the market this made.

Perhaps. On the other hand, the fact that the owner had actually lost the business, even though the business and its remaining assets were themselves only a fraction of the real value of the business that had been found liable, might have had a salutary effect on anyone looking to do the same thing. As it now stands, all we have is a shining example to be followed by anyone who might want to conduct business in the same way, make huge profits, do harm, and get away scot free. Heck, it wouldn't even have to be firearms they were marketing ...

[MrBenchley]

8. You know, somehow I doubt

there's anyplace in the country where this sort of thinly veiled swindle is considered "liberal" or "progressive."

[TheRovingGourmet]

9. No, I'm in Texas but I think the homestead rules are very

similar to those in Florida. I'm sorry about what happened to your Dad. The homestead rule is a good one in that it was meant to protect those with assets that are basically their house and its furnishings plus a car or two. Like most laws, a little imagination while writing them would have gone a long way. :)

I agree with you about the valuation of the business as a going concern, and assume that the company trademarks would be part of the deal also, but I don't think it would have achieved the boy's objective, which I understand to be taking this company's products off the market and sending a message to similar companies. Converting the asset cash to the asset education just seems like such a win/win deal that is too good to pass up.

[iverglas]

13. the objective

I don't think it would have achieved the boy's objective, which I understand to be taking this company's products off the market and sending a message to similar companies.

I think we have to read between the lines just a little.

Yes, closing down the company for the purpose of taking its assets off the market was an objective.

Yes, sending a message to similar companies was an objective.

But I do think that the eye-for-an-eye objective was probably there. It would have been in my case. You won't pay me the compensation I am entitled to for the loss of my eye? Fine. I'll take yours. It won't be a damned bit of use to me -- but it won't be any use to you, either.

The price paid for this company was obviously a fraction of what it was worth, in terms of the profits to be made from what assets were left. Otherwise, why would the owner have bid it up like that, and been so persistent about keeping it? Why not just hand it over to the kid to satisfy the judgment, if all it was worth to the owner was half a mil? (We do know where the half-mil really came from, and where future profits will really be going, I trust.) The kid's going to get that money anyway, presumably. Why not just cut out the bogus middle person, and save a lot of time and trouble, and hand it over?

So by buying the company, the kid would have stripped the owner of all those future profits. The kid wouldn't have got those future profits if he closed the company down -- but neither would the owner. Eye for an eye.

[TheRovingGourmet]

68. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind, you know. :)

:)

I know what you mean though. If the kid blames the company then I guess he gets some satisfaction from getting the assets, trademarks, and all that. I would rather see the money go to scholarships though, but that is my bias talking. :)

[iverglas]

69. no ...

If the kid blames the company then I guess he gets some satisfaction from getting the assets, trademarks, and all that.

But he didn't, of course. He lost the bid.

And I do think that the satisfaction would have come from how much the company, i.e. the owner, deserved to lose all that, in the big scheme of things, not just random vengeance -- and, more particularly what I was getting at, how excellent it would be in the public interest to put it out of business.

I would rather see the money go to scholarships though, ...

Since it didn't go to the purchase, it will have to go somewhere. I'm not privy to what happened to the application for non-profit or charitable status or whatever it was, or what conditions there were on the use of the money raised when it was raised (e.g. refunded if no purchase), so I don't know how much discretion there would be regarding its use. I doubt that many people who donated would begrudge Brandon the money himself, since he obviously has expensive needs (and I don't know to what extent they will be met, over his lifetime, but what he has managed to collect so far).

[Fescue4u]

10. Did u have a point to your book?

Sorry I don't have time to read an encylopedia.

Its a sad and tragic case where there are no winners.


The REAL injustice, as you seem to have missed, is that a kid was crippled by a negligent babysitter and gun owner.

[iverglas]

11. did you have a basis for anything you said?

No. Didn't think so.

[Fescue4u]

15. I need a basis for to feel sorry for a kid?

Wow.

Just when I think the gun grabbers run completely on emotion, I find that they have no emotion at all.

well ok then.

[iverglas]

17. oh no, it's Pellet-Gun Pete all over again!

Well, Friday afternoon is joke day in my books, so the timing was perfect.

I need a basis for to feel sorry for a kid?
Wow.
Just when I think the gun grabbers run
completely on emotion, I find that they
have no emotion at all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=10520#10687

Plus they changent, plus they're la même chose.

Somebody go find Spentastic please. He's needed.

[MrBenchley]

18. Yes, our "pro gun democrats" just drip

with the milk of human compassion....

[Fescue4u]

21. Much more so than the gun grabbing zealots

who put victims on parade to meet their facists ends.

[MrBenchley]

27. Wow...another "facists"

Better you "pro gun democrats" should get a dictionary than another gun, boys....

And of course, every shithead with a swastika around today is screaming rancid rhetoric like "gun grabbing zealots"...

"To that end the following material focuses first on the CAUSE Foundation and then on other groups and incidents. (Note: The CAUSE Foundation whose initials stand for "Canada, Australia, United States, South Africa, Europe" moved in 1992 from Houston to Black Mountain, N.C., 15 miles east of Asheville. CAUSE describes itself as a legal foundation for the right but has been described by the Southern Poverty Law Center as a hate group....In a 1991 interview in the KKK publication The Klansman, Lyons pleads with KKK readers to accept him and understand that he is not working for, as Lyons put it, "ZOG" (Zionist Occupational Government. "ZOG" is Lyons' anti-Semitic name for the U.S. government). In July 1995, CAUSE ran in Soldier of Fortune an advertisement whose headline read, "Help Stop Reno and her Gun Grabbing Goons.""

http://www.main.nc.us/wncceib/96whole.htm

[Fescue4u]

29. Did somebody ring your bell?

[MrBenchley]

31. Gee, fescue....

If you don't like your playmates, don't spout their rancid rhetoric....

[Fescue4u]

64. I don't consider you a playmate Bobby

Sorry.

[MrBenchley]

71. Nor are you one of mine, fescue...

YOUR playmates are the ugly sort who spout that rancid bogus "gun rights" horseshit....

[iverglas]

28. There once lived a boy someone did shoot

... You may have heard about his odd lawsuit.
Laugh at how they spin it and they call you "brute!"
'Cause they love their pop-guns.

His chroniclers used to say quite a bit
That as a victim he was quite unfit.
But all in all, we have to admit
That they love their pop-guns.

Yes they love their pop-guns like no others,
The shooter was the sitter and the villain was the mother.
One thing on which you can bet the farm --
They know just how to spin a yarn.

When they found what he had done
They dissed him roundly, one by one.
Never mind that he had won --
they love their pop-guns.

So they're sweet and kind to victims,
And they say they're oh so sad.
Let's send Brandon Maxfield flowers,
such a brave and tragic lad.
But don't be talking pay-back
(that might make 'em mad) ...

Or we might find ourselves looking like the ba-a-ad guys here ...
We may end up being spun
(And we know just how that is done)
... We'll end up just like young Brandon!


http://www.owlnet.rice.edu/~psyc101/Oedipus_Rex_song.html
with apologies to Tom.

[MrBenchley]

32. LOL!!

[iverglas]

35. well *I* thought so

But then I'm sure that you and I are the only ones in the vicinity who have ever heard of that great liberal Tom Lehrer, let alone are able to sing Oedipus Rex from memory ...

[MrBenchley]

36. I'd rather marry a duck-billed platypus...

I always will remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a morning bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

I was in no mood to trifle,
I took down my trusty rifle
And went out to stalk my prey.
What a haul I made that day!
I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

The law was very firm, it
Took away my permit,
The worst punishment I ever endured.
It turned out there was a reason,
Cows were out of season,
And one of the hunters wasn't insured.

People ask me how I do it,
And I say "There's nothin' to it,
You just stand there lookin' cute,
And when something moves, you shoot!"
And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now:
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.

[iverglas]

now you've shown me up

I only know that one because you did it once before, and I don't know what it sounds like at all. (Can ya hum a few bars?)

My collection consists of That Was the Year and An Evening (Wasted). But hey, I was 16 and in a foreign country.

And I can do this one:

It Makes A Fellow Proud To Be A Soldier

I have only comparatively recently emerged from the United States army so that I am now of course in the radio-active reserve and, the usual jokes about the army aside, one of the many fine things one has to admit is the way that the army has carried the American democratic ideal to its logical conclusion in the sense that not only do they prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race, creed, and color, but also on the grounds of ability. Be that as it may some of you may recall the publicity a few years ago about the army's search for an official army song to be the counterpart of the navy's Anchors Away and the airforce's Up In The Air Junior Birdman songs. I was in basic training at the time and I recall our platoon sergeant, who was an unfrocked marine. Actually, the change of service had come as quite a blow to him because it meant that he had to memorize a new serial number which took up most of his time. At any rate I recall this sergeant's informing me and my "room-mates" of this rather deplorable fact the army didn't have any official, excuse me, didn't have no official song and suggested that we work on this in our copious free time. Well, I submitted the following song which is called It Makes A Fellow Proud To Be A Soldier which, I think, demonstrates the proper spirit you'll agree. However, the fact that it did not win the contest, I can ascribe only to blatant favoratism on the part of the judges.

<yeah, I know how that feels today>

The heart of every man in our platoon must swell with pride,
For the nation's youth, the cream of which is marching at his side.
For the fascinating rules and regulations that we share,
And the quaint and curious costumes that we're called upon to wear.
Now Al joined up to do his part defending you and me.
He wants to fight and bleed and kill and die for liberty.
With the hell of war he's come to grips,
Policing up the filter tips,
It makes a fella proud to be a soldier!

When Pete was only in the seventh grade, he stabbed a cop.
<stabbed a cop?? What was this, the 16th century??>
He's real R.A. material and he was glad to swap
His switchblade and his old zip gun
For a bayonet and a new M-1.
<is that post-ban, or pre-ban??>
It makes a fella proud to be a soldier!

After Johnny got through basic training, he
Was a soldier through and through when he was done.
It's effects were so well rooted,
That the next day he saluted
A Good Humor man, an usher, and a nun.
Now Fred's an intellectual, brings a book to every meal.
He likes the deep philosophers, like Norman Vincent Peale.
He thinks the army's just the thing,
Because he finds it broadening.
It makes a fella proud to be a soldier!

Now Ed flunked out of second grade, and never finished school.
He doesn't know a shelter half from an entrenching tool.
But he's going to be a big success.
He heads his class at OCS.
It makes a fella proud to be a soldier!

Our old mess sergeant's taste buds had been shot off in the war.
But his savory collations add to our esprit de corps.
To think of all the marvelous ways
They're using plastics nowadays.
It makes a fella proud to be a soldier!

Our lieutenant is the up-and-coming type.
Played with soldiers as a boy you just can bet.
It is written in the stars
He will get his captain's bars,
But he hasn't got enough box tops yet.
Our captain has a handicap to cope with, sad to tell.
He's from Georgia, and he doesn't speak the language very well.
He used to be, so rumor has, the Dean of Men at Alcatraz.
It makes a fella proud to be,
When as a kid I vowed to be,
One ought to be allowed to be
A soldier. (At ease!)


Aahhh. Remember the days when ya didn't have to support the troops?

[MrBenchley]

38. This has always been one of my favorites

I hold your hand in mine, dear,
I press it to my lips.
I take a healthy bite
From your dainty fingertips.

My joy would be complete, dear,
If you were only here,
But still I keep your hand
As a precious souvenir.

The night you died I cut it off,
I really don't know why.
For now each time I kiss it
I get bloodstains on my tie.

I'm sorry now I killed you,
For our love was something fine,
And till they come to get me
I shall hold your hand in mine.

[skippythwndrdog]

39. Ain't romance grand? n/t

[MrBenchley]

42. Hey skippy....

if you weren't a humorless prat you could join in....

[skippythwndrdog]

40. Where are you two regitered?

I want to be sure I get the correct pattern for the china.

[iverglas]

45. ah, he's winning me over slowly

But the co-vivant played "There is a House in New Orleans" for me on one of his many guitars the first time I sat on his mattress (yup, almost as cheesy as Lay Lady Lay, but it just seemed like the thing to request), and he has his very own poster of his very own rock band from back before he started thinning on top, so he's still in the lead. Mind you, I'll bet he couldn't recite the introduction to "We Will All Go Together When We Go", and in fact I'll bet he couldn't sing a single line of Tom Lehrer's oeuvre. But he really really hated Mike Harris, and he empties the cat boxes. And in our house, that also means "scoop up the poop Carl deposits on the kitchen floor right beside the cat box every morning."

Whaddaya think. Can Benchley top that?

China? Well, I think I prefer not to own something named after a despotic commie place, thank you.

Mind you, if you happen to run across any discontinued bits of a pale taupish kind of boxed set of eating-off-of things inexplicably called "Strawberry Fields", I think it was about $70 for service for eight with all the extra bits, you could pick me one up, as I seem to be down a few plates.

Meanwhile, if you wanted to learn a little about what it actually means to be a "liberal", you could try here:
http://wiw.org/~drz/tom.lehrer

Or, for another view, here:
http://www.cs.pdx.edu/~trent/ochs/lyrics.html

[iverglas]

41. almost went with that one

But I was at least trying to be topical. ;)

I am feeling an irresistible urge ...

Oh, the white folks hate the black folks,
And the black folks hate the white folks.
To hate all but the right folks
Is the only way to go.
But in the DU gun dun-geon, the DU gun dun-geon,
Ted Nugent and Bobby Seale are dancing bun to bun.
It's fun to call for guns
For folks you'd rather shun
As long as you still run the whole damned show.

Oh, Republicans hate the gay folk,
And the fundies hate the women,
And the racists hate thepeopleofcolour,
And everybody votes for Bush.
But in the DU gun dun-geon, the DU gun dun-geon,
It's "an armed citizenry is the only weapon against an evil government" fun.
Pretend they'll all be there
Backing you up four-square.
It's only J/PS, so don't be tense;
Be grateful that the real world makes more sense!

[MrBenchley]

43. Remember down here

both Gandhi and the Dalai Lama are supposed to be rootin' tootin' gunslingers....

Hear the fuckwits pimping guns-
Precious guns!
What bogus propaganda their gibberish foretells!
Going waah, waah, waah,
In a fit of right wing blah,
To the mental masturbation that so tediously swells
Over guns, guns, guns, guns,
Guns, guns, guns-
From the lying and the crying over guns.

[skippythwndrdog]

44. It's a match made in heaven!

Where's the honeymoon?

You should expect a shivaree.

eduted fer spellin

[MrBenchley]

47. Jealous, skippy?

Here....hope it helps you get a handle on your shortcomings...

http://www.costumesinc.com/toy_guns_toy_weapons_toy_swords.cfm?&DID=20

[skippythwndrdog]

46. Were you making an attempt at 'Bells'?

It fell kinda flat.

[NorthernSpy]

52. why, yes he was...

Awful, wasn't it?

But credit where it's due... one of the opposition did write something pretty good. Remember the Ballad of Pellet Gun Bill?

:D


Mary

[skippythwndrdog]

53. Heh heh heh

:evilgrin:

[iverglas]

54. I was going to be impressed ...

but

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&safe=off&q=foretells+swells&meta=

So I guess you even know who did the score, too.

[iverglas]

48. ooh, that hurt

That bordered on sacrilege.

Edgar Allen must be spinning behind a brick wall someplace. ;)

But I think Phil's probably clapping.

[MrBenchley]

50. For the love of God, Montressor....

[skippythwndrdog]

51. What's next, Spike Jones?

[iverglas]

55. yes, please!

I have a fine set of that at home.

When Ted Nugent says, "We ist der master race" ...

Oh, look -- it's already written to, um, order:

Are we not the supermen
Aryan pure supermen
Ja we ist der supermen
Super-duper supermen
Ist this Nutzi land not good?

Gun Nutzis! I love it!


If you haven't seen "Der Ah-nuld's Face", you owe it to yourself.
http://www.ocap.ca/songs/fuehrers.html

(That one doesn't credit it unfortunately, and I don't feel like finding my old bookmark file and hunting up the proper one.)

[MrBenchley]

56. I love it.....

Ever since the whole loyalty oath thing surfaced, that song's been referenced all over the Delphi forums....

There's also "Pass the Biscuits, Mirandy" in which yokels who have run out of bullets for their shooting irons resort to using baked goods in their guns....

Thankfully, I no longer remember the lyrics, though now the tune's running through my head....

[Vladimir]

57. May I?

Apocalypse now
Ashcroft removes the rifle
from my cold dead hands

[MrBenchley]

58. A Poetry Bash-o!

I love it!

By the spreading horseshit pile
Wayne LaPierre stands
Wayne, a scrawny man, is he
with crazed fanatic bands...

[Vladimir]

59. When the slug, hits the chest

Its not Nugent or Hest,
its my riiiiights...

[MrBenchley]

60. And I have seen the arms already, seen them all

Arms any moron has the right to bear
But in the lab light
Fingerprints are there!

No! I am not Randy Weaver
Nor was meant to be....

[Vladimir]

61. We love our weapons,

they come with bayonets,
we love our weapons,
they make our cocks immense,
we love our weapons,
believe in my AK...

[MrBenchley]

62. Let me not to the marriage of guns and loons

Admit impediments. Be them unbanned
Which altered, fire automatic shot
Or a large capacity magazine has got
O no! Tis but a bayonet lug
Scary looking cosmetics is all
And naught but pallid jaded urbanites
Or ignorant soccer moms doth fear its call
If gun porn be from this forum e'er stricken
I never shot, nor no man choked his chicken.

[Vladimir]

63. Winter is coming

the debaters grow weary
strike down the motion

[iverglas]

66. they are the hollow folk

They are the stuffed folk
Posting together
Arguments filled with straw. Alas!
Their shrill voices, when
They mumble together
Are noisy and meaningless
As gunshots in dark streets
Or rat's feet over broken skeets
Behind their barred doors

[iverglas]

65. randomly butting in ...

My shotgun blasteth from both barr'ls
It will not last the night.
But ah my foes and oh my pals
I won that barroom fight!

[MrBenchley]

67. LOL!!

[skippythwndrdog]

49. Hmmm.

I'm waiting for The Vatican Rag. Periodic Table? New Math?


First you get down on your knees
Fiddle with your rosary
Bow your head with great respect
Genuflect, genuflect, genuflect...

[Fescue4u]

19. "THEY"

I don't have a mouse in my pocket.


btw, I guess Im just a poor old uneducated engineer, but I don't understand the last 2 lines of your post.

[iverglas]

20. gee (ed.'d)

btw, I guess Im just a poor old uneducated engineer, but I don't understand the last 2 lines of your post.

Maybe if you'd bothered to click on, and read, the link I posted, you would have.

I didn't actually put it there for decoration.


Ed. -- that explained the last line. The second-last line was my pidgin French for plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose ... the more they change, the more they're just the same old thing.

And if you read that link, you'll have little option but to know exactly what I'm talking about.

[Fescue4u]

22. maybe I will when I get some time

Everything aside Iver, and I don't mean this in a mean way, but your posts require way to much investment of time, for the little nugget of anti-gunnery that I might get out of them.

But I will checkout it out this evening.

[Fescue4u]

23. (to edited remarks)

Ok..thanks for the clarification.

[Name removed]

70. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[skippythwndrdog]

12. Well and accurately stated. Bravo! n/t

[MrBenchley]

5. There you have it...

A scummy gun company can continue to dump defective guns on the market, and a "pro gun democrat" celebrates...

Says it all, doesn't it?

[skippythwndrdog]

14. G'head. Show mw a celebratory phrase or tone in my post.

There is none of either.

Whoever said I was a Democrat? I've referred to myself as a progressive. I've referred to myself as a liberal. I've never referred to myself as a Democrat on this board or any other. I've never stated that I'm not a Democrat. Since you do not know me personally or professionally you're making an assumption.

Just one more example of spin based upon assumption, incomplete information, or erroneous information from the scummy anti-RKBA crowd.

[MrBenchley]

16. "Whoever said I was a Democrat?"

Hey....ask me next if I thought you were fooling anyone.....

[Fescue4u]

24. "....ask me next if I thought you were fooling anyone....."

Who said he was trying to fool anyone?

[MrBenchley]

25. You mean you thought he was a Democrat, fescue?

[Fescue4u]

30. No more than I think you are.

[iverglas]

33. okay

Apart from the title of your post itself -- the glee fairly drips from "how did I miss this?" -- we have:

it is good to see that the anti-RKBA movement lost a chance for a propaganda coup.

Apart from your characterization ("a propaganda coup") of the event (the opportunity for a successful plaintiff to recover something of value in satisfaction of a judgment), you plainly welcome the event -- in fact are very pleased about it -- and want everybody to know about it.

celebrate 5. honour publicly, make widely known

Seems to fit the bill, to me.

[skippythwndrdog]

34. Remind me to avoid parties that include folks who see that as

celebratory. They're sure to be howlers.

[NorthernSpy]

26. poor kid!

I remember that he had his heart set on buying Bryco.

I still say that Bruce Jennings -- the guy who started Bryco and whose toady Jimenez made the winning bid -- is a psychopath who will stop at nothing in his campaign to flood America with shoddy, crappy, substandard guns.


Mary

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