AWB Question

[goju]

We call the so called "assault weapons" made prior to the 94 AWB "preban", and we call those "assault weapons" made after the AWB took effect "postban". The question is, what will we call them when the ban sunsets in a few weeks? Postban is already taken...post postban is just redundant.. how bout we call them "the big scary rifles with the extra deadly folding stocks and bayonet lugs"?

I think we need to straighten this out now, lest the gun grabbers be without a proper label for these uber lethal bullet hoses that will soon be flooding the market.

Discussion time... :)

[DebJ]

1. how 'bout terrorist WMD's floating in our streets?

[goju]

2. Hey, I think youre onto something there

[FeebMaster]

3. Technically, post-ban weapons aren't assault weapons.

After the sunset we should call post-ban weapons pre-sunset weapons to explain their lack of bayonet lugs and threaded barrels. I guess you could call pre-ban weapons post-sunset weapons since they'll be the same, more or less, although it wouldn't surprise me if at least some manufacturers continued to offer weapons in post-ban/pre-sunset configuration.

[goju]

4. Too technical

Thats not going to play well in a soundbite and the gun grabbers might get too confused anyway. Think marketing... "hyper fire killing machines".. something like that!

[FeebMaster]

5. Oh, well for the gun grabbers nothing will change.

How often do you see a gun grabber use pre-ban and post-ban? They'll just continue to randomly call things assault weapon whether it is or not, or rather was or wasn't. They'll continue to use assault weapon and assault rifle interchangeably. They'll constantly whine about AK-47s and Uzis and occasionally whine about RPGs and bazookas just like they do now. Nothing will change for the gun grabbers.

[goju]

6. good point

They seem incapable of making a distinction if it doesnt prop up their world view. I'd hate to see them left without an updated monicker though.

[RoeBear]

16. Agreed...

...'post-sunset' sounds much too lyrical. How about 'death-spewing'?

[Jack_DeLeon]

7. why dont we call them what they were called before this whole mess started

which is semi-auto rifles and pistols.

[goju]

8. Now how are they gonna raise pulses that way?

No self respecting urbanite is gonna get upset over "semi-auto", are they? Cant get anywhere by simply describing the weapon I dont think, we need a highly inflammatory, emotively charged epithet for the controllers to use or the VPC wont have a bugle call.

[thomas82]

13. that would be

to difficult for the VPC Jack Asses. I figure Sarah will call them "post sunset Apocalypse bullet hoses"
Tom

[MrSandman]

9. How about...

Military Style Weapons of War?

[MrBenchley]

10. For those in the pool...this is FIVE

[UpsideDownFlag]

29. lol keep up the count.

[petronius]

11. How about:

"Extremely high-powered weapons with no practical utility, similar to those used in schoolyard shootings and gang-related drive-bys." For situations requiring brevity I suggest "machine gun" - it's all the same, right? ;)

[MrBenchley]

12. Actually, although they can be easily converted...

our gun loonies scream and howl like banshees when they read posts like yours...because they're not technically machine guns, although nobody but a handful of fetishists care about the difference.

But "Extremely high-powered weapons with no practical utility" hits it four-square on the head.

[rl6214]

19. Wrong

They CANNOT be easily converted. They CANNOT be converted at all.

[slackmaster]

22. Anything can be converted to fire full-auto

The definition of "ease" of such a task is relative to the skill of the person making the assessment.

Any time someone brings up the possibility of full-auto conversions being an issue after the expiration of the AWB there's always an elephant in the room - Nobody has ever tried to explain how, for example, a pre-ban AR-15 is easier to convert to fully automatic than a post-ban AR-15. How the expiration of the ban will make available something that hasn't been available since the day the ban took effect.

In all of the GITN threads there has been only one story posted AFAIK about semiautomatic firearms being converted to fully automatic. That was a crooked machinist working for the Mexican mob here in San Diego County.

[rl6214]

44. Just for arguments sake

how can it be easier to convert a pre-ban ar15 to full auto than it is to convert a post-ban to full auto? The only difference between the two is:

Flash suppressor- has no effect on mechanical operation
Folding/collapsable stock-has no effect on mechanical operation
Bayonet lug- has not effect on mechanical operation
Hi capacity mag- has no effect on ability to fire full auto
Pisto grip- has no effect on mechanical operation.

[slackmaster]

50. My point exactly

The anti-RKBA side consistently declines to address my question directly.

[rl6214]

18. Wrong

They are NOT machine guns.

[slackmaster]

23. I think Petronius was being sarcastic

There's a winky in the post.

[UpsideDownFlag]

30. hmm, that has a nice ring to it.

[Baclava]

14. If we can call them less expensive...

It will be a good thing I waited...I've been tempted many a time.
I'm hoping it'll knock at least $500-600 each off my "wish list"

Colt AR-15 A2 R6520 Green Label $2,795.00
Colt AR-15 SP-1 Carbine, $1,895.00
Polytech Legend AK-47, $1,495.00
Valmet 76, 223, $1,595.00

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

15. Don't get your hopes up

While those Colts will probably come down some in price after the sunset, I don't see the Polytech dropping much if at all.

[slackmaster]

17. I'll call them what they were called before the ban

Rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

[MrSandman]

20. Is the term "Hi-cap magazine" here to stay?

Will there be a distinction between pre-ban and post-ban mags for marketing?

What will an assault weapon be on 9/14? (11 days)

Will ther be new arguments about definition since there willl be no legal definition?

[slackmaster]

21. I call anything artificially restricted to 10 rounds "reduced-capacity"

Normal magazines are "standard-capacity".

:D

[MrSandman]

26. I agree....

But then I don't think the AWB sumset affects automatic weapons or street sweepers.

:eyes:

[YankeeFan]

46. AWB & Machine Guns

The Ban didn't touch them at all.

Machine Guns were stopped way back in 1986.

Street Sweepers were not touched either. What happened to them is that they were declared "Destructive Devices" by the BATF. As not every State permitted Private Citizens to own "Destructive Devices", they pretty much disappeared. Except of course when some separate politico needed to scare up some votes by showing how nasty and dangerous they were. Then they came out of the woodwork. And "Street Sweepers", are nothing more than a shotgun with extra helpings.

[jtb33]

24. How about... Homeland Defense Rifle

:)

When the ban sunsets, it will be as if there was no ban, so preban/postban won't have a reason to exist anymore other than "preban" to desribe the pre-1989 imported rifles banned by Bush Sr's EO.

[Wickerman]

25. I'm sure the patriotic gun makers

have a marketing trick or two up their sleeve to capitalize on this glorious new day in American Freedoms.

[FeebMaster]

27. Yeah.

They're going to have a dollar off sale on bayonet lugs and flash suppressors. Maybe you can get an extra 10% off if you trade in your old muzzle brake and buy a new flash suppressor.

[-..__...]

31. One manufacturer has already been offering a "Post-ban Blow-out" celebrati

And it has the pillow biters at Brady and Co howling like a troop of baboons caught in a snare net.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.php?release=578

[FeebMaster]

33. Hahah.

That big web page could have been condensed to a single word: Weah.

[goju]

37. Almost 3 weeks, and no repsonse

I wonder what the ATF is waiting for......hmmm

[-..__...]

40. They must be terrified!

I'll bet Director Truscott nearly pissed himself laughing at the Bradys latest desperation ploy. Probably Xeroxed a few copies to post in the employees cafeteria, lounge, locker room, etc, so everyone could get a good chuckle.

[goju]

41. But he saved the origninal letter....

for the bathroom ;)

[beevul]

59. Hahahaha

"I'll bet Director Truscott nearly pissed himself laughing at the Bradys latest desperation ploy."-D__S

I know I did! :)

[slackmaster]

35. Wow, they've suddenly become Psychiatrists!

"Psychotics" indeed

[MrSandman]

42. I like the one where they give a flash supressor...no gun

[beevul]

58. ROFL!!!

"And it has the pillow biters at Brady and Co howling like a troop of baboons caught in a snare net."-D__S

Made my day!!

Then I followed the link, and low and behold, rhetoric and mindless fearmongering is what I found.

For example...

"ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN HASN'T EXPIRED, BUT SHARKS ARE CIRCLING FOR BLOOD"

And...


"One Illinois company is ready to serve America's extreme psychotics right away. Have your credit cards ready."

And...

"And some Americans are simply drooling at the notion of deadlier guns."

Thats kind of like saying that something might make a woman MORE pregnant, not to mention that those flash suppressors and bayonet lugs wont make any guns deadlier. What a FLAT OUT LIE that was. Deadlier guns...ROTFLMAO.

Yeah, those semi-auto rifles have twice the velocity and range, and become .50 BMG's when you re-attatch the bayo-lugs and flash suppressors. :eyes:


That IS consistent for brady and CO though, and fits their MO to a T. Thankfully, the worse the rhetoric gets, the more people seem to wake up to the fact that its just that - rhetoric and mindless fear mongering.

[UpsideDownFlag]

28. an affront to society. how's that?

[slackmaster]

34. Yeah, sure JibJab

[UpsideDownFlag]

43. you dont think society would be a safer, better place if assault weapons

didn't exist? eh? let's turn that "man the lifeboats" meter back around.

[slackmaster]

48. No, I do not think society would be safer if AWs didn't exist

Because there are plenty of other ways to kill people besides shooting them with an AW.

Was society safer before the invention of the gun? I don't believe it was.

[-..__...]

32. What to call them?....

Mmmmmmmm.... how about "all perfectly legal to own".

:bounce: :party: :toast: :bounce: :party: :toast:

[Township75]

36. Here are a few suggestions...

1. Racist, Nugget, NRA, anti-save the children, streetsweeper assualt weapons...NOW WITH ATTACHABLE BAYONETS!

2. Assualt weapons that are soooo scarry not even Diane Feinstein would carry one on the Senate Floor

3. My next firearm purchase

[goju]

38. Not bad

Id wait till after November to buy anything though. Maybe even longer. Privacy aside, why up retail sales figures under bush admin.

I plan on buying at least one (probably AR), maybe around spring. Hoping the price will be reasonable by then.

[Township75]

39. I too will wait a bit...

there will be an initial rush to buy some of these before the election, which could inflate prices.

I can wait for mine. Plus I would rather focus my funds on the hunting season in Nov rather than the AWs which will be more affordable in Sept.

Maybe I will change my mind in order to test that old saying "you don't need an assualt rifle to hunt.":)

[rl6214]

45. I don't know that I would wait that long

I don't think it will be too long before Sen Feinstein trys to introduce a new ban.

[goju]

47. For sure they will

I think they actually want this ban to sunset. Easier to start from scratch having learned some hard lessons than to try to make chicken soup from chicken shit. But I dont think it will happen quickly. Id say it would take at least a year to get a new bill drafted and refined enough to muster the votes. Just a guess.

[slackmaster]

49. They'll shoot themselves in the foot

By asking for more of a ban than society is willing to accept, e.g. S.1431.

[goju]

51. That depends

It certainly hasnt hurt Schumer or Feinstein I dont think. Any new proposed bill would come after the election, that gives them plenty of time to get a bill together and passed, and then leaving enough time for the citizens to forget about it before the next election.

[slackmaster]

52. It hasn't hurt Schumer of Feinstein in their home states

But neither of them has any hope of ever becoming President.

[goju]

53. Feinstein?

Why not? I thought she was well liked in CA.

[slackmaster]

54. That's exactly what I said

Feinstein is very well liked by a majority of Californians although a sizeable minority despise her.

She is not well enough liked by a majority of US voters in general to be a Presidential hopeful.

[derby378]

55. Feinstein will always have CA

But I live in Texas, and a lot of Texans don't want her thinking she can march into our homes and collect our guns. What plays well in San Francisco may not even chart in San Antonio.

[Trashman]

56. We could name them after FDR

Freedom Defense Rifles

[innocentbystander]

57. Useful tools for keeping the government in check.