NRA WILL KILL KERRY JUST LIKE IT DID GORE

[volosong]

Living in Massachusetts, I don't know what 527 ads are running, but Kerry better attack the NRA-assault weapons issue now and hard.

Some nice ads could be developed:

Ban on assault weapons supported by Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton. police departments.

Ban opposed by NRA and Bush

then show clip of those 3 robbers in CA spraying police and public with automatic weapons fire.
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Sen. Kerry is not going to take your guns away.

George Bush has been taking your money, jobs, health insurance, pensions, our national parks, and our youth.

Where are your priorities?

[sui generis]

1. Well then we need to kill the NRA

Here's what you do: it is common knowledge that America manufactures nearly 100% of the assault weapons that are used by terrorists, and that they are easier to buy on the street here than in any other country on the planet.

THE NRA AND AMERICAN WEAPONS MANUFACTURERS SUPPORT TERRORISM.

[noahmijo]

7. Uh WHAT?

Americans manufacture the AK-47? Actually the Russians and Hungarians do. The Russians are actually the primary small arms manufacturers of assault rifles. China also supplies the SKS.

Easier to buy on the street here? funny can you walk up to a vendor on the street and purchase an AK-47 like you could an ice cream cone?

No but you could in areas like Somalia, Afghanistan, and any other terrorist sponsoring states.

I'm just saying if you wanna properly fight for gun control laws don't throw fallacious statements out there it doesn't help.

[Zuni]

not true

terrorists are very likely to use Soviet or Chinese made Kalashnikovs, Belgian or South American FN FALs, German made HKs or old military weapons that found there way on to the black market years ago.

[goju]

9. You sure?

"100% of the assault weapons that are used by terrorists"

Really? All those chinese and soviet AK's are made here? Terrorists use semi autos?

"they are easier to buy on the street here than in any other country on the planet"

Really? Like the AK's for sale on the streets of Pakistan for $50? Ever tried to buy a gun on the "street" here in the US?

[UpsideDownFlag]

18. if you were to take a glance at the middle eastern training camps...

which gun would you see being waved in every other person's hand?

[sui generis]

23. fuck the middle eastern training camps

that old video has been around since 1992. I don't care who shoots who with what in Yemen. What I care about is a terrorist coming here on a valid passport and purchasing assault weapons here. Does nobody on this thread get it?

[Zuni]

25. I am sure some buy some weapons here

but I doubt they do it legally. It is too easy to get illegal weapons here, but if you go to some countries, they have arms bazaars in the town squares. Most terrorists can find guns anywhere they want to find them.

[sui generis]

29. anyway back to the topic

the NRA removing the ban on assault weapons sales makes it easier for terrorists to do what they do right here in America.

Nobody is talking about purchasing them legally or otherwise - if they are around here in profusion, they will be available here in profusion, one way or another.

[goju]

35. What will be?

And what weapons do you suppose a terrorist would prefer?

[Cicero]

62. Guess what. They already are "around here in profusion"

No functional difference between "assault weapons" and other semi-autos. "Assault weapons" made before the ban are still available. "Assault weapons" with mere cosmetic changes are also available.

I will smile when the AWB finally dies.

Later,

[skippythwndrdog]

66. Get a clue

the NRA removing the ban on assault weapons sales makes it easier for terrorists to do what they do right here in America.

The AWB banned not a single AW. None, zip, nada, zilch.

Rather than type all day, search virtually any page in the gungeon concerning AW's to discover what an AW is and what the so-called AWB did and didn't do.

[KharmaTrain]

39. Why Buy Here? They Ship The Money From Here...

There's been a steady bust of "aid societies" and other Arab groups that are money launderers for a wide array of terrorist groups. You don't hear much about these as these groups move their money freely in and out of major U.S. banks and this regime sure wouldn't want that dirty secret to get out.

Pardon the pun...but they get more "bang" for the buck buying guns in the black markets of Europe & the third world, while raising funds here that go to supposed charities and other "social" organizations. These groups have existed for decades and are deeply rooted. But are grous for Irish nationalists, Serbians, Cubans and several other groups that rely heavily on American cash to fuel their military or para-militaries.

[goju]

34. Is that your concern?

That a terrorist would use a rifle rather than an rpg or a dirty bomb?

You might want to reconcile your concerns with the history of terrorist attacks here and abroad.

I think we get it.

[sui generis]

38. enough - we disagree

Yes and let's have a history lesson then. Terrorist takes down world trade center and pentagon with a BOX CUTTER.

Do you think that history will ever be able to repeat itself? Also goju, when in history has a terrorist used a dirty bomb in the U.S.?

You don't make sense. This thread was about the NRA taking down Kerry. I personally fucking hate the NRA and I hope that's clear. I have a bullet hole in me because of the NRA's over the top involvement in our political system, and it wasn't a terrorist who did it; just a random crazy person.

Nevertheless, more guns means more available guns to terrorists and criminals and you can't give an answer to that fact.

[goju]

40. Well you got part of it right

We do indeed disagree. That much is right.

"Terrorist takes down world trade center and pentagon with a BOX CUTTER"

I think some planes were involved, werent they?

"Also goju, when in history has a terrorist used a dirty bomb in the U.S.?"

We should have asked that about planes and box cutters, BEFORE 9/11, shouldnt we? Or should instead focus our efforts on rifle regulations?

"You don't make sense. This thread was about the NRA taking down Kerry. I personally fucking hate the NRA and I hope that's clear. I have a bullet hole in me because of the NRA's over the top involvement in our political system, and it wasn't a terrorist who did it; just a random crazy person."

I certainly do make sense. You want to tie Kerry's response to the NRA ads with the AWB. That is just nuts! Think about why they are running those ads and who they are targeting. You want to fuel that fire with Kerry's record on the AWB???? How does THAT help?

You dont have a bullet in you because of anyone or anything other than the "random crazy person" who put it there.

"Nevertheless, more guns means more available guns to terrorists and criminals and you can't give an answer to that fact."

Cant I? Terrorists and criminals dont seem to have a problem getting hold of guns anywhere, even in countries where private ownership of guns is severly restricted. I think it has something to do with gobs and gobs of cash and the perpensity to BREAK THE LAW. Toward that end, I dont think a terrorist would choose a rifle over an rpg or dirty bomb, but Im not a terrorist so I dont really know for sure.

Criminals tend not to get bogged down by laws and regulations so, I just dont see the point of ruining Kerry's chances at the WH so we can pass some silly and useless law regulating bayonet lugs and pistol grips.

[sui generis]

59. what a bunch of crap

I have a bullet hole in me BECAUSE a crazy person who shouldn't have had access to a gun had easy access to a gun.

It's pretty clear where both of us stand on the issue. It's also pretty clear that nobody is going to get the last word in here.

I agree with you on one thing - the reality is that Kerry needs to consider the power of the NRA lobby in his campaign. Beyond that, the NRA can take their goddamn popguns and put them where the sun don't shine.

It's also been my experience that most civilians who require the presence of a weapon to feel safe are pretty pathetic without one.

[goju]

33. A fully automatic

assualt rifle or a handgun.

Which one would you see?

[FeebMaster]

51. Full-auto AKs of course.

Not many of them manufactured in the US. Not any actually.

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[sui generis]

12. okay I'll cede the point - but it is funny

that we're all "experts" on terrorism and spouting off the same crap about AK-47's that we've watched on too many Bruce Willis movies. If you want to spout facts let's hold some feet to the fire.

I propose that the NRA's positions nevertheless support terrorism, and certainly support domestic terrorism. Here's a question for you experts: ever try to smuggle an AK-47 into the united states? I'll bet you it's easier to buy an American made assault weapon "on the street" if you're planning to shoot up an elementary school than it is to smuggle your precious AK47's in over the border.

[sui generis]

13. No lie

anyway I don't really give a crap about foreign terrorists. I care about the ones here that are going to buy american made assault weapons to use in america. Nobody is going to smuggle assault weapons in to the United States. They're going to buy them right here.

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[sui generis]

58. you know something

I conceded a point earlier. If you can't read then move on. WTF about gun dungeons what the hell is that? Is that some NRA insider language? Sorry I don't get that magazine.

It annoys the crap out of me when some high-and-mighty sniper gets on here and starts this kind of shit. You want to call people liars, take it off line buddy.

Otherwise please remember this is a community with diverse opinions and we all actually do happen to be on the same side for the important things. Name calling each other is well, childish. Save it for the freepers.

[rinsd]

60. LOL

"Otherwise please remember this is a community with diverse opinions and we all actually do happen to be on the same side for the important things."

Oh I am well aware which was why I was shocked at such an uninformed post that seemed intended to inflame those on the other side of the issue.

"Name calling each other is well, childish. Save it for the freepers."

You're right, I should never have called you Sarah Brady....that is a real insult. My apologies.

"It annoys the crap out of me when some high-and-mighty sniper gets on here and starts this kind of shit. You want to call people liars, take it off line buddy. "

Is this a sad little threat? I wasn't the one who either through deception or willful ignorance posted things that weren't true. You were.

"I conceded a point earlier. If you can't read then move on. WTF about gun dungeons what the hell is that? Is that some NRA insider language? Sorry I don't get that magazine."

The gun dundgeon is the pet name Duers use for the Justice and Safety forum where gun control and anti gun control advocates do battle. And you didn't concede anything. You changed the subject.

But this is over. No further need for quibbles and insults.

[sui generis]

14. BTW - welcome to DU!

many happy postings!

[jumpstart33]

16. Well, If they want to destroy America let the blood be on their hands

If they are responsible for our having Bush in office now, then they are responsible in the same measure for our children being killed in Iraq. It's as simple as that. Anyone who wants to support them and their dirty deeds, know this: The blood of our children is also on your hands and so is the downfall of America throughout the world. Period!

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[genius]

56. GORE WON. How did it kill him if he won?

[Township75]

2. The ban isn't opposed by Bush, though...

Bush has stated publicly since the 2k Pres election that he supports renewing the ban.

Thank God this worthless piece of shit ban will expire in a few days.

[volosong]

3. BUSH HAS NOT COME OUT AND SAID HE SUPPORTS THE BAN

End of story on Mr. Coward Ass-Kisser

[Redneck Socialist]

27. Ummm, yes he has

or at least his spokesman have said it for him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A11013-2003Apr11¬Found=true

[Freddie Stubbs]

31. he has said that he supports renewing the ban

The White House recently restated President Bush's support for renewing a ban on certain semiautomatic weapons. That ban has been in place since 1994 but is set to expire next year unless Congress renews it.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0305/19/se.05.html

[rinsd]

50. Stupid and rude is no way to go through life son. (bnt)

[KC21304]

10. Worthless, meaning uninforceable ? Or worthless

meaning enforceable and there is a shortage of assault weapons on the street ?

[KC21304]

4. This morning I saw that greasy Tom DeLay say he wasn't

even going to let it come up for a vote. Even if the President asked him to. It was the exterminator at his yuckiest. And don't forget to put in the ad what Bush promised in 2000.

[volosong]

5. More Suggestions....Guns...Lawyers

Sen. Kerry is not going to take your guns away.

George Bush has been taking your money, jobs, health insurance, pensions, our national parks, and our youth.

Where are your priorities?

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Also Kerry mustn’t let get away with the Bush b.s. about lawsuits driving docs out of practice. That occurs only in a tiny percentage of cases.

The #1 reason for physician dissatisfaction and exit from the medical profession has nothing to do with lawsuits....it is because doctors can’t stomach HMOs and other bureaucratic morons making live and death medical decisions for their patients.

[mbali]

6. Bush White House RUNS Congress and can get any bill they want through . .

If Bush had any interest in the assault weapon ban being renewed, it would have been on the floor long ago.

Bush is playing coy with this and Delay is carrying his water.

Disgusting.

[SierraMtns]

8. spraying police and public with automatic weapons fire

Why use that false image? The AWB has zero to do with automatic weapons.

[UpsideDownFlag]

17. the ak-47's they used were absolutely assault weapons.

they are defined as such.

[SierraMtns]

19. They were banned in 1938

They have nothing to do with the Clinton AWB.

[UpsideDownFlag]

21. ak's were invented by the soviets in the late 40's,

how could they be banned in 38?

[SierraMtns]

24. Fully auto weapons were banned

The AKs used were fully auto. The AWB had no effect on them. They were illegal before the AWB.

[Redneck Socialist]

32. Highly regulated, not banned

You can still own one if you care to jump through all the hoops and cough up the dough.

You are correct though that the AWB doesn't have anything to do with fully automatic weapons and wouldn't have done a thing in relation to the LA shootout.

[slackmaster]

63. No, they were defined by law as machineguns

Assault weapons are by definition semiautomatic.

Anything that fires more than one round per trigger pull is a machinegun.

The definitions are mutually exclusive. The law is clear on this.

Please see http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html

JibJab, I'm surprised and disappointed to see that you still don't understand this important distinction.

[MrBenchley]

15. Good thing our "pro gun democrats" are out there on forums

like "thehighroad.org" and the like, putting out the proDemocratic wor-wait, who am I kidding? They're all over here, attacking Democrats and posting NRA talking points....

[Junkdrawer]

20. Notice that too, huh?

I've always wondered why rabid pro-NRAers would oppose Bush/Cheney/Ashcroft - probably the most openly pro-NRA administration ever.

[UpsideDownFlag]

22. shhhh

you wouldn't want them to feel embarrassed now.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

36. I thought the Patriot Act contained anti-gun rhetoric

and that under the Patriot Act the govt. could confiscate guns in a national emergency. :shrug:

Does anyone know if this is true?

[UpsideDownFlag]

41. and the John Ashcroft iis a huge tool of the NRA.

what's your point?

[Kathy in Cambridge]

47. I was asking if someone knew anything about it

not looking for a fight. Jesus. :eyes:

[MrBenchley]

30. The plain answer is, they don't....

the only complaint you ever see gun loonies have with the Pirates of Halliburton is that they aren't Nazi-like enough to suit....and those forums are thick with freeper rubbish...

[rinsd]

55. So sayeth the pot to the kettle (nt)

[John219]

65. LOL!!!

n/t

[MUSTANG_2004]

37. Wonder no longer

There are plenty of reasons unrelated to gun-control to oppose Bush.

I'm a long-time NRA member, but voted for Gore and expect to vote for Kerry. Because we have a pro-gun Congress, gun-control isn't one of the major issues for me in the Presidential election.

[rinsd]

52. Damn right (nt)

[ZJoeZ]

53. I wouldn't reccomend alienating pro-gun Dems,

we desperately need them in Florida, West Virginia, and several other southern states.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

26. Gore won.

.

[napi21]

28. I strongly suggest Kerry should not say anything in favor of gun control!

First of all, unless the Dems regain control of at least one chamber of the legislature, NOTHING's going to happen with any laws!

Second, you have NO IDEA how overly protective MOST rural gun owners are about their guns! This is the ONE BIG vote breaker outside of urban areas. They are paranoid about this, and it's really better left unsaid!

If the Dems manage to take the Senate, and get at least a fighting close minority in the House, then they can think about re-enacting some gun control. Till then...KEEP QUIET!!!

[DaveSZ]

42. I remember reading that Reagan supported the ban

Some news article I read said he lobbied Congress for it.

[DaveSZ]

43. Yep

Kerry should not talk about gun control imo.

It's such a loser issue, and this election is too important.

[John219]

67. agreed

n/t

[Renew Deal]

44. Bush says that he supports the AWB.

But congress will never send it to him.

[kwolf68]

45. NRA=Right wing.

[Larkspur]

46. And if the NRA ads don't work, do you think one of their crazy members

will try an alternative method?

I sometimes wonder if Bush/Cheney are really on the ropes come Nov 1, what their fanatical followers will do?

[heebyjeebus]

54. Who was it that said "The right to bear arms is just slightly less

ludicrous than the right to arm bears"?

[UpsideDownFlag]

70. i dunno, who was it?

sounds like a good principle.

[derby378]

57. Keeping it simple

Randi Rhodes to Ralph Nader on 3/31: "We can't afford you!"

Me to the soon-to-sunset AWB: "What Randi said!"

Our only priority now is to get Kerry in the White House. Trying to resurrect the AWB runs contrary to Democratic principles and can only hurt Kerry.

[slackmaster]

61. Too late for extremist propaganda

...then show clip of those 3 robbers in CA spraying police and public with automatic weapons fire....

I want Kerry to win the race honestly. Please don't suggest that our side resort to dirty tactics like that.

[John219]

64. Its a losing issue

The AW ban issue just needs to die as all it will do is give the NRA more ammo to use against Senator Kerry.
John

[bleedingheart]

68. Actually the NRA wasted a lot of money on elections

and many of the states targeted like PA ...went for Gore anyways...

[mosin]

69. You're advocating that Kerry lie?

Living in Massachusetts, I don't know what 527 ads are running, but Kerry better attack the NRA-assault weapons issue now and hard.

Some nice ads could be developed:

Ban on assault weapons supported by Ford, Carter, Reagan, Clinton. police departments.

Ban opposed by NRA and Bush

then show clip of those 3 robbers in CA spraying police and public with automatic weapons fire.

You're advocating that Kerry lie and imply that the illegally-possessed automatic weapons used in the 1997 North Hollywood robbery were so-called "assault weapons?"

Kerry doesn't need to lie. Kerry should simply continue his strategy to stay as far away from the gun control issue as possible. He's doing a good job minimizing the damage from his anti-gun voting record.