AWB expiration... what will be legal now?

[rockymountaindem]

I did a little research on this topic a while ago, but I'm getting conflicting information about it here. What, exactly, will be legal now? Will fully-automatic arms be available?

[Redneck Socialist]

1. Nope

Fully automatic weapons will still be highly regulated.

You will now be able to put a bayonet lug, flash suppressor and folding stock on your semi-automatic rifle. High capacity magazines will be less expensive too. That is about it.

[rockymountaindem]

3. That's what I thought, too.

But some people here say that full-auto AKs will become legal, which I highly doubt.

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4. You shouldn't relie...

on information from people who get their news via radio signals picked up by their dental fillings.

[Redneck Socialist]

5. They are incorrect.

Go here http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html if you want to see the actual language of the law.

[Random1997]

6. full-auto

People who say full-auto AK-47's or any other full-auto firearms will be legal on 09/13/04 are wrong.

There ARE plenty of legal full-auto weapons out there but none are affected by the AWB.

[rockymountaindem]

7. What full auto weapons are legal?

[Redneck Socialist]

8. All of them are "legal."

However acquiring one means jumping through a lot of hoops and paying a sizable chunk of money.

Production of new full auto weapons for civilian use was prohibited in 1986. So you must find a willing seller of a preexisting gun and pay a $200 transfer tax. The paperwork required consists of an application form with the applicant's photograph attached and a fingerprint card. These are submitted the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms in duplicate along with the transfer tax. The finger print cards are forwarded to the FBI for a background check; not very different from a background check that would be performed for a "Secret Level" security clearance. The background check and transfer process takes about 3 months or so depending on the examiners’ work load.

If you get through all that you can then pick up your weapon.

http://www.atf.gov/pub/fire-explo_pub/nfa.htm

[bobbyboucher]

9. They should be though.

This law should not be renewed, an new and stronger one should be passed.

[DonP]

10. Why?

How many crimes have actually been committed with legally purchased full auto weapons described in that post?

Not how many you are afraid "might" be committed, or how many illegal full auto weapons have been used in crimes (since they aren't going to abide by any laws under any circumstances), but how many actual crimes with legally purchased full auto weapons since the NFA was passed in 1934?

I could be mistaken, but the last time I looked it was a grand total of 1, and that was a rogue cop.

But if that's enough to justify banning something because some people feel it's wrong let's get started on other "dangerous" private possessions.

How about word processors and printing presses next?

[jpgray]

2. Mostly cosmetic features

Guns with bayonet and bi-pod lugs, collapsible stocks, flash suppressors, and large magazines. The reason I support the ban is that all these features are only helpful for concealability or attacking humans, and they identify the weapon as one of military design--there is no reason to own one.

[anonymous44]

11. aw geez

Even if the ban was permanent you can still remove the stock and it would be concealable, but I doubt that you can stuff 30 inch ak in your pants if that's your idea of concealability.

[daemon734]

12. ????

theres no reason to own cars that can go 130mph, why do they sell them? simple, because in the land of the free its best to assume that individual citizens can make their own choices and dont need government intervention keeping them in line at every step.

machine guns were first put under government legislation in 1934, with the 1934 NFA act. This provided that citizens could buy machine guns after paying a $200 tax and passing background checks.

then the 1986 machine gun act reagan signed prevented the production of any more machine guns that would be available to civilians, but grandfathered all the ones already registered.

the 1994 crime bill, or assault weapons ban banned high capacity magazines, and certain cosmetic features, such as folding/collapsible stocks, flash hiders, and bayonet lugs. again, all pre '94 stock was grandfathered.


this ban meant just about nothing....as I and every other law abiding citizen have been able to purchase any assualt weapon we desire for the past ten years, just with no bayonets. If there was a spike in crime it would have happened already, because the same guns we will be buying tuesday we have been buying all along.

[FeebMaster]

13. Well I think your question was mostly answered

but I'll list of the features for rifles, pistols, and shotguns for you. Machine guns are unaffected by the sunset, as was mentioned earlier in the thread.


A semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -

-a folding or telescoping stock;
-a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
-a bayonet mount;
-a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a flash suppressor;
-a grenade launcher;


A semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least 2 of -

-an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the pistol grip;
-a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
-a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
-a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is unloaded;
-a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm;


A semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of -

-A folding or telescoping stock;
-a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon;
-a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
-an ability to accept a detachable magazine.


So basically, any weapon that had enough of those listed features removed so it wouldn't be classified as an assault weapon can have those features legally attached. The vast majority of the weapons affected were pistol gripped rifles which had bayonet lugs, and flash suppressors removed (and sometimes folding stocks).

[7th_Sephiroth]

14. i want a collapseable/adjustable stock

because i have akward arms and standard stocks are either too long or too short for me