***J/PS Official Assault Weapon Ban Demise Thread***

[Wickerman]

Post your AWB thoughts here - PLEASE DO NOT START ANOTHER THREAD!

Heck, be original if you like, post on some other J/PS topic INSTEAD of the AWB! :think:

Happy Monday Gungeonites!

[brokensymmetry]

1. Joy! Pure happiness.

I despised the AWB from inception. I'm delighted that it's gone. May it never return.

:toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce: :toast: :party: :bounce:

[NorthernSpy]

2. there was such a beautiful sunset...

And now, it's twilight time for a silly law that cost us our majority in Congress. Even just for that alone I'm thrilled to see it go...

Heavenly shades of night are falling
It's twilight time
Out of the mist your voice is calling
It's twilight time
When purple colored curtains
Mark the end of the day
I hear you my dear at twilight time

Deepening shadows gather splendor
As day is done
Fingers of night will soon surrender
The setting sun
I count the moments darling
Till you're here with me
Together at last at twilight time

Rifle and bayonet lug, together at last...

;)


Mary

[iverglas]

25. if poésie be the order of the day ...

They shall grow not old,
as we that are left grow old;
Age shall not weary them,
nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun
and in the morning
We will remember them.

It's generally spoken in honour of those who died in wars, but what the heck. I imagine there are some people who died of being shot by legally-purchased assault weapons who might be worth remembering just now.

As for that "a silly law that cost us our majority in Congress", I can only imagine that if I lived in a place where people voted against, oh, accessible health care, in favour of accessible assault weapons, I'd buy one and shoot myself.

But then, I'd first have to believe that any significant number of actual people actually did any such thing ...

[slackmaster]

3. I feel a sense of relief that it's over

10 years of work has paid off. Now I can concentrate on more important issues.

[TX-RAT]

4. Like, what am i going to do with all these hi-priced mags?

How will this effect hi-cap mags?
Do you think the price will go down for factory mags, or will the price stay high, just because the consumer is used to it?

[FatSlob]

5. Prices are dropping like a rock.

I just bought a brand new, Law Enforcement Only marked AR15 Magazine for under $12 including shipping!

[slackmaster]

8. I could theoretically acquire those legally in Cali

I'd have to buy replacement magazine bodies for magazines I already own, and assemble them with other parts in a manner that does not increase the number of magazines I possess.

Time to shop for magazine repair kits...

[slackmaster]

6. I bought more high-cap mags than I could ever use up in my lifetime

Before the ban took effect.

I even bought magazines for guns I didn't own at the time.

I've never paid a drastically inflated price for any gun, gun part, or accessory.

[TX-RAT]

9. Any chance of 12 round mags for 40 hi-powers?

I've got one 40 i had sent to Novak's, to be converted to 357Sig, would like a couple of extra mags for it.

[Wickerman]

10. Hey, this ain't Bubba's AW Swap meet ya know

Take it to the gun show.

:hi:

[TX-RAT]

11. Sorry, you wasn't suppose to be looking.

[Wickerman]

12. lol

good thinking!

[DoNotRefill]

56. heh...

no NFA for you...

[DoNotRefill]

55. suck it up.

trust me, you're prolly not out as much as me.

Now if we could just get that pesky NFRTR-sealing measure repealed... I'd be fiscally slaughtered, I mean WIPED OUT, but it'd be worth it...

[mosin]

19. The next step...

I believe the next step should be to repeal the restriction on interstate purchase of handguns from licensed firearms dealers. I live in southwestern Ohio. I can purchase a rifle or shotgun from a dealer in northern Kentucky or Indiana, but I can't purchase a handgun from a KY dealer 10 miles from my house. The restriction dates from the Gun Control Act of 1968, but became superfluous with the advent of the national instant check system. If you pass the background check, why not allow the interstate sale.

[Jack_DeLeon]

7. w00t w00t.

[Romulus]

13. time to do something *productive* on the firearms safety front

Like figuring out how to mandate state-level background checks on all secondary firearms transfers . . . .

[goju]

15. What is a "secondary firearms transfer"?

Do you mean private transfers/transactions?

[slackmaster]

16. I'm putting my employer's money where my mouth is

I've arranged for about 15 people in my company's IS department to spend an afternoon at an indoor target range. I've only been there for two months, and had the gall to suggest that as our annual "team building" event.

The range - http://www.gotammo.com - is giving us a corporate package deal. They're going to supply a catered lunch, a gun safety lecture and demonstration, and a Range Safety Officer dedicated to our group for two hours of trigger time. We will get to try out several different kinds of handguns and plenty of ammunition.

About 2/3 of the participants have never fired a gun before. But several others, including my immediate supervisor, are pro-RKBA.

How's THAT for encouraging gun safety?

[goju]

14. Prediction

We will have a new and improved AWB bill proposed by April, May at the latest. And it will pass.

I dont plan on buying anything (substantial value) till next year, and I recommend you all do the same. Why add to the consumer spending numbers now? Wait till next year when it cant help Bush, or hurt Kerry. We've waited 10 years, a few more months wont kill us. And I would just feel alot more comfortable with asscrossed out of a job when I buy anything "they" can find out about.

[slackmaster]

17. There will be a new and "improved" bill but I think it will flail

The debate will rage on. And on and on and on.

[-..__...]

18. Ban... schman...

I want to know who won the pool? B-)

[Redneck Socialist]

20. I'm disappointed

The first thing I did this morning was run out in the street with fish net. I was hoping to scoop up a couple of the assault weapons that were supposed to be flooding the streets. I didn't see even a one. I've been seriously mislead! :mad: :P

[Wickerman]

21. Its that damn NRA

they'll blame it on Sarah and Diane, but they are doing a bait and switch. Since you couldn't nab one on the street you'll soon be heading down to Bullseye to get your very own. Brilliant marketing!

[DoNotRefill]

29. I'm pissed....

I went out to get the trash cans in, and the street is still that asphault grey. I was thinking it'd be red or brown from all the blood flowing on it, but, damnit, it's still grey. :(


Still waiting for the blood to flow in the streets...

[Redneck Socialist]

42. The NRA? Misleading?

No! Say it isn't so! Oh my heavens, I'm all verklempt here. I'm gonna have to go log off now.

On edit: :crazy:

[Spoonman]

22. It's the best birthday present I've ever received! n/t

[skippythwndrdog]

27. Happy birthday!

:party: :toast: :party: :toast: :party:

[Zynx]

23. *Waits for river of blood*

Seriously, good riddence to a bad, PR-based law.

[Endangered Specie]

24. Break out the lube... its time to Mauserbate!

:eyes:

[FatSlob]

26. Don't be sore.

The biggest difference between the DU RKBAers and you is that we support all individual liberties, while you don't. We support the rights of the individuals, and wish Authoritarian policies on nobody. You are a smart individual, you would do well to join us in the fight for all freedoms.

[Township75]

28. Don't forget your tweezers!

!
:)

[Wickerman]

30. Vote in this poll

What effect will the expiration of the ban on assault weapons have?


Crime will increase



Crime will decrease



Nothing will change



http://www.mysanantonio.com

at the bottom of the page.

[Endangered Specie]

31. Well, better make sure all our wills are in order.

[FeebMaster]

32. Why? (nt)

[-..__...]

33. Cool!

Could you name me as the beneficiary of your firearms collection? I promise to give them a good home and treat them with tender loving care.

[Endangered Specie]

34. If you insist, too bad you will get

absolutely nothing, unless you count the waterguns in the attic.

[-..__...]

35. I'm not picky.

I can always spray paint the waterguns black and sell them as the real deal to inner city kids... either that or wait for the next "gun buy back" program and turn them in for a quick profit.

[Renaissance]

43. OMG! We're all going to be bayonetted!

I'm going to stay in my bathroom until Dianne Feinstein can rescue us again.

[Endangered Specie]

51. Or mowed down by a brand new hi-cap magazine...

[Renaissance]

52. Standard-capacity magazines were never illegal.

All the ban did was make them more expensive.

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

58. Brand new high-caps?

As opposed to the MILLIONS that were already grandfathered? Like the box full of new in wrap (early 1994 production) military contract (overrun) M-16/AR-15 magazines I bought last year?

Magazines were never really the problem. If you had the money, there were mags to be had.

[JeremyN]

66. Really?

I didn't realize a normal cap magazine was so deadly! How does a magazine mow you down anyway?

Ok, all semantic joking aside, numerous studies have shown that mag capacity restrictions have failed to reduce the average number of victims per shooting incident. Oddly enough, the average is actually higher for revolvers (which have a fixed, usually low, ammo capacity) than it is for semi-auto pistols. Go figure...

[Renaissance]

36. Kerry re AWB: "Police will face military-style machine guns"

What an unbelievable ignorant statement by John Kerry regarding the AWB sunset today. I heard the audio clip on the radio on the way home from work. He claimed that because the AWB has lapsed, police officers will now be faced with "military-style machine guns."

I swear to God I am not making this up.

[UpsideDownFlag]

45. yeah. kerry's ignorant.

or maybe he knows more about the politis of the ban than you?

[Renaissance]

46. How exactly did the ban prevent machine gun crime?

According to Kerry, now police officers are going to be faced with "military-style machine guns" (his own words). Exactly how does a sunset on the ban of semi-automatic weapons cause more criminals to use machine guns?

On this particular issue, Kerry seems to be exceptionally ignorant.

[UpsideDownFlag]

47. exceptionally ignorant, kerry is.

are they not military style?

[Renaissance]

48. They aren't machine guns.

Today Kerry clearly stated that the AWB sunset will mean that police officers will now be faced with "military-style machine guns."

This was a false statement that misrepresented what the ban covered.

[UpsideDownFlag]

49. what else do you dislike about kerry?

this is certainly the forum to discuss it.

[Renaissance]

50. Nothing. I admire Kerry quite a bit.

But he's dead wrong on this loser issue. He's treading in the same water that lost Congress for us in 1994.

[skippythwndrdog]

53. I saw it on PBS also.

[FeebMaster]

37. I don't know. I'm starting to rethink the ban.

According to the local news tonight, no one has been killed with a semi-automatic weapon in New Haven, CT in three years, apparently thanks to the AWB. I'm not sure I should trust that claim, though, since they apparently believe the ban is in effect until tomorrow.

[Renaissance]

38. So what they are saying is that no pre-1994 guns were used?

I thought that there were no legal "assault weapons" manufactured from 1994 to 2004...

[FeebMaster]

39. No they were claiming

that no semi-auto weapons were used at all.

[Romulus]

40. hmm, CT is shall(may) issue, no?

Shouldn't there have been blood in the streets, anyway?

And I thought CT had its own ban? :shrug:

[FeebMaster]

44. CT is may issue.

They get to decide if you're a "suitable" person before they give you a permit.

Shouldn't there have been blood in the streets, anyway?

You'd think so, but apparently no one has used a semi-auto to kill anyone in New Haven since a drive-by way back in 2001. I guess New Haven criminals prefer other weapons. Maybe they're all members of the single action shooting society.


And I thought CT had its own ban?

Yeah CT basically copied the Federal AWB with a few extra guns listed by name. The CT AWB also includes machine guns if they're select fire, but not if they're full auto only.

[Romulus]

61. shall(may) issue means fair-issue in practice

I thought that was how CT worked: issue unless a specific reason not to.

That's what I meant by "blood in the streets" - the CCW angle

[FeebMaster]

64. Well, from what I understand,

and I've never been through the process, nor do I plan to, it works more or less like a shall issue system, but the law does contain some vague stuff about suitability in addition to the usual age requirements and not a criminal requirements. I don't know how often, if ever, people are denied permits based solely on the suitability thing.

Here's the law if you're interested:

http://www.cga.state.ct.us/2003/pub/Chap529.htm#Sec29-28.htm




That's what I meant by "blood in the streets" - the CCW angle

I got it, I was just clarifying CT's CCW law. I guess the federal AWB was stopping people with carry permits from shooting up the place. Now we're really screwed.

[MrSandman]

68. SASSy Criminals...lol...nt

[FeebMaster]

69. Well you know

all those anti-ccw people are always saying it's going to be like the old west.

[MrSandman]

70. Starting in CT...

And I thought it was going to start in the Gunshine State.

[beevul]

41. Heres a little diddy...

but before that, let me just say its about bloody time. Bad law, Bad reasoning, good that its over.

Now, for your listening (reading) pleasure...
( for anyone humor impaired, this IS satire)

"Its the end of the world as we know it."


That's great, it starts on a monday, stens and fals, and AKs,
Bradys troops are 'lot afraid
Eye of a hurricane, listen to the rounds burn -
High cap ammo feeds, don't deserve and noone needs.
Another law in a week, stock, clip, lug, no, badder
weapons chatter with gun fight peep sight. Ire
weapons buyer, represent the gun lobby, in a government
For hire and a combat site. Left of west and coming in
A funny with a gunny breathing down your neck.

Team By team reporters baffled, trumped, tethered cropped
Look at that low playing! Fine, then. Uh oh,
bullet-hose, regulation, common good, but it'll do. Save
Yourself, disarm yourself. Gun serves its own needs,
Listen to your heart bleed gunny with the rapture and
The reverend and the right, right. You vitriolic,
Patriotic, slam-fire, Tac light, feeling pretty
wiped

It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine

Six o'clock - TV hour. Don't get caught with carry
Power. Fire and burn, return, listen to the rounds
burn. Locking in, uniforming, and book burning, blood
Letting. NRA degenerate, Firearm incinerate
Light a candle, light a motive. Crack down, Crack down
Watch your heel crush, crushed, uh-oh, this means no
Fear sniper-gear. Renegade steer clear! A tournament,
a Tournament, a tournament of lies. Offer me solutions,
Offer me alternatives and I decline


It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

And I feel fine

I feel fine

It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

And I feel fine


The other night I dreamt of knives, along with
guns taking lives. Gun controllers in a line, Diane
Feinstein. Rosie o'Donnel, Sara B and Kristen Rand.
Birthday party, pistol-grip, Bayo-lug, boom! You
Symbiotic, patriotic, Mc - veigh clone, right? Right





It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

And I feel fine

It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

And I feel fine

It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

And I feel fine

It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it (it's time I had some time alone)
It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine (it's time I had some
time alone)

[mosin]

59. Very nice!

I am a long time REM fan.

[DoNotRefill]

54. AW Ban Haiku

they said we would die
without the ban to save us
Heaven, I'm waiting......

[DoNotRefill]

57. more

The ban has left us
good riddance to bad rubbish
what was that about?

This one is entitled pre-ban blues:

Seventy-nine bucks
for a Glock twentyone mag
what's up with that, man?


Tuesday is here now.
I will take the Beta-mag
for two hundred bucks.


Assault weapons ban
has expired at long last
I still love Eva.


Porcupine bites me?
I'm ready to defend my
feet from thirty beasts

Gun laws come and go
I still wish we had Congress
was it worth it folks?


nitey nite folks!

[anonymous44]

60. Ughh assault weapons

So, I'm going to my mailbox this morning and I trip on a could believe fucking uzi. Yes, folks this is true our streets are flooded with ak's and uzis. I even tripped on one this morning. They are really dangerous. Blame Congress when you trip on one.

[UpsideDownFlag]

62. "and I trip on a could believe fucking uzi"

...sometimes the excitement caused by images of assault weapons and other big shiny guns causes you to mistype, eh?

[anonymous44]

63. oh great

spelling nazis

[UpsideDownFlag]

65. spelling police. not nazis.

[skippythwndrdog]

67. Grammar and spelling Nazis abound. n/t

[gates]

71. I don't know much.....

but if I recall, I thought I read somewhere that .....Interdyn or Intratec (I think), the company that made the Tec9's was out of business. So..... I guess that new Tec9s can't be made since the company is gone.....good ridence I say. Does anyone know if it is Intratec or ______?