How many people will die as a result of the AWB expiring?

[Renew Deal]

Poll question: How many people will die as a result of the AWB expiring?

[FeebMaster]

1. Zero.

There's no zero option, so I voted other.

[mikehiggins]

2. Zero as well

Too many people watched too many Al Pacino movies before this ban went into effect.

If you saw any John Woo flick you'd know that two semi-automatic handguns--Glocks, for example--are just as dangerous than a MAC-10.

How many people were actually killed by AK-47s in the US from 1950 to 1994, when the law went into effect? How many were used by law abiding people who obeyed this law?

How many DU's really think this law kept illegal guns off the streets? IMHO it was a political red herring to make the population at large think something was finally being done about gun violence.

Fat chance.

[entropy]

3. I don't know if

you know this, but the picture you have posted is of an UZI submachine gun. This weapon was not banned by the "semi-automatic" assault weapons ban as it is a fully-automatic machine gun, and can be had for around $5,000.

[FatSlob]

4. Claims of AWB expiration causing death = intellectually dishonest.

Zero deaths will be caused by the expiration. I'm glad my rifles are now being outfitted to give me "more thrust per squeeze".

[goju]

5. Millions

Sorry, just had to be the "one" to be a wise ass. :)

[minavasht]

6. It's not fair!

I say TENS of millions!!!!!:evilgrin:

[slackmaster]

7. The weapon pictured is a machinegun, not an assault weapon

That is a very clear photo of a selective-fire Uzi submachine gun. You can even see the selector and its three positions. The forward position is full-auto. The rear position is single shot. The middle is safe. Legally it's classified as a "machinegun", therefore it is not and was not an assault weapon.

Even if it was a semiautomatic (which I am 100% sure it is not), it would still be covered by the National Firearms Act because of the short barrel.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/921.html - WARNING, this section is out of date as of this morning. The parts that pertain to semiautomatic assault weapons are no longer valid.

[Rainstorm]

8. There are

30 million semi automatic weapons in the United States. The AWB did not take one semi auto off the streets. All it did was make pre 1994 semi autos more valuable. Every demand for a "pre-ban" type weapon was met by the production of a fully functional semi automatic post ban. Nothing was accomplished by the 10 years of the AWB except to unite gun owners and strengthen the NRA.

I don't have a link but I did read the other day that nobody was ever arrested during the ten years solely for the violation of the AWB. All the AWB charges were add ons to using the gun for a crime.

It was a useless law from the beginning. What use is it to ban the selling of American made high capacity magazines when there are tens of millions of them in circulation and you can import foreign ones? At the rate the ban was going it was going to take a hundred years to dry up the supply of high capacity magazines.

Doing away with the AWB will not put one additional semi auto on the street that would not be put there with the AWB still in effect.

As an example,the DC snipers used post ban rifles.

[Trashman]

9. You may disagree, but

I think this is a deliberate attempt to mislead. If Democrats have to resort to lies and/or misleading the public, it gets exposed and will bite us in the ass by hurting our credibility on any issue.

Or does anyone think that the end justifies the means?

[Romulus]

10. zero

unless they are bayonetted with a "post-postban" firearm.

BTW:

Short barreled rifles ("rifle" meaning any firarm with a shoulder stock, other than a shotgun) with barrels less than 16" require the BATFE NFA tax stamp. To get the stamp, follw these instructions:

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#m15
(M15) What are the required transfer procedures for an individual who is not qualified as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer of NFA firearms?

ATF Form 4 (5320.4) must be completed, in duplicate. The transferor must first complete the face of the form. The transferee must complete the transferee's certification on the reverse of the form and have the "Law Enforcement Certification" completed by the chief law enforcement officer.

The transferee is to affix, on each copy of the form, a 2-inch by 2-inch photograph of the transferee taken within the past year (proofs, group photographs or photocopies are unacceptable). The transferee's address must be a street address, not a post office box. If there is no street address, specific directions to the residence must be included.

If state or local law requires a prior permit or license to purchase, possess, or receive NFA firearms, a copy of the transferee's permit or license must accompany the application. A check or money order for $200 ($ 5 for transfer of "any other weapon") shall be made payable to ATF by the transferor. All signatures on both copies must be in ink. Submit fingerprints on FBI Form FD-258, in duplicate. Fingerprints must be taken by a person qualified to do so, and must be clear and classifiable. If wear or damage to the fingertips do not allow clear prints, and if the prints are taken by a law enforcement official, a statement on his or her official letterhead giving the reason why good prints are unobtainable should accompany the fingerprints.

Forward completed information and appropriate tax payment to the Bureau of ATF, P. O. Box 73201, Chicago, IL 60673. Transfer of the NFA firearm may be made only upon approval of the ATF Form 4 by the NFA Branch. If the application is approved, the original of the form with the cancelled stamp affixed showing approval will be returned to the applicant. Otherwise, the tax will be refunded.

Upon approval of the ATF Form 4, the transferor should transfer the firearm as soon as possible, since the firearm is now registered to the transferee. <26 U. S. C. 5812, 27 CFR 179.83-179.86>

Any rifle must also be at least 26" long (including the 16" barrel) to meet these NFA requirements (even with the stock folded up).

*end BATFE quote*


If that firearm picture is of a semi-auto firearm, then it would be illegal without the NFA tax stamp and accompanying registration with BATFE. If it is a full-auto firearm manufactured after 1986, then it illegal for a any US citizen to personally own (even law enforcement).

[skippythwndrdog]

11. Another vote for zero

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12. I really have no idea.

But, regardless of the circumstances ("pre-ban", "post-ban", post "post-ban"), you can bet that the parasites at the VPC/MMM/Brady Campaign
will be crowing about it in apocalyptic tones that it was preventable.

[gofordean]

13. one too many...

if its even one

[FeebMaster]

14. Don't worry

the only way the expiration of the AWB is going to kill anyone is if they get into a car accident on their way to the gun store to pick up a bayonet lug.