What do you wager it wasn't an ordinary knife, but an "Assault" knife-

[EDT]

used in the unfortunate attacks in Indiana?

They do exist-
http://knifeoutlet.com/shop/catalog/4896.htm

I'm sure they're much more deadly, and we should ban them (and all knives while we're at it) right now!

[Worst Username Ever]

1. Agreed. n /t

[candy]

2. Oops! Better hurry and butter my toast! n/t

[blue sky at night]

3. sorry i am out of the loop.....

virtually newsless unless it is on aar, du, buzzflash, salon. what happened over in the land of the hoosiers?

[Worst Username Ever]

6. 8 students slashed with a knife from another student.

Just imagine if it had been a gun. God.

[iverglas]

13. indeed, just imagine if it *had* been a gun

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/11/24/school.stabbing.ap/

Eight Valparaiso High School students were taken to the hospital, including the accused attacker, a 15-year-old freshman, Police Chief Michael Brickner said. All but one of those injured were released by Wednesday afternoon, he said. Five suffered cuts and the others complained of pain from other injuries, authorities said.

Not quite so likely to be the outcome of someone shooting them with a gun.

"The kid, after he stabbed them, he ran out of the room and a bunch of teachers tackled him," sophomore Clark Hogan said. "I saw the lady kick the knife down the hallway. She kicked it against the wall."

Not quite so likely to be what a teacher does when she comes across someone running with a gun.

Of course, we don't have to imagine. You folks have your Columbine, and we up here have our Montréal Polytechnique; 15th anniversary coming up here:

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-70-398/disasters_tragedies/montreal_massacre/

For 45 minutes on Dec. 6, 1989 an enraged gunman roamed the corridors of Montreal's École Polytechnique and killed 14 women. Marc Lepine, 25, separated the men from the women and before opening fire on the classroom of female engineering students he screamed, "I hate feminists."

Guns just make kids and women so much safer ...

[Worst Username Ever]

18. Exactly

[Retired AF Dem]

20. Women that carry guns and know how to use them

makes them safer. :)

[iverglas]

23. women who offer watercress sandwiches to the garden faeries

makes them safer.

(I apologize for the abysmal sentence structure; I just work with the tools at hand.)

[Retired AF Dem]

24. No problem

I understand a put down when I see one. You aren't as important to me as you are to yourself

[kcwayne]

4. Really? When was the last time someone was brutally attacked

by a butter knife and mortally wounded. I'll take my chances.

Now on the otherhand, when 8 guys fully armed with shotguns stumble upon some asshole with an assault rifle in the Wisconsin woods, and 6 end up dead, the relatives of the outgunned 7 can just take comfort in repeating Charleton Heston's mantra "Guns don't kill people, people kill people", and the corollary, "Heavily armed people kill more people than unarmed, or semi-heavily armed people".

[EDT]

7. But think of the children!

All those plastic knives ciruclating around school lunchrooms, undetectable by metal detectors no less!

[kcwayne]

8. Yeah. I remember when I listened to someone with your viewpoint

talk about why a ban on assault weapons was a idiotic liberal value.

In fact, it was a senator, voting on the assault weapons ban in the same week when that fucking numbnut in Texas drove his truck into a Luby's and heroically walked through the place with his automatic weapons and killed over 40 people.

Of course the brave Senator was voting against the bill and asserting the right of fucking numbnuts to kill as many people as possible as guaranteed by the second amendment. If there were justice, that Senator would have been at Luby's that day ordering a slice of key lime pie, and challenged to stop a madman with enough fire power to hold off over a hundred people, after watching his wife and children take a bullet in the head in defense of the precious second amendment.

[Retired AF Dem]

11. Get your facts straight

I will even link to your favorite site.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/wgun911016.htm

[EDT]

12. http://www.geocities.com/jermil.geo/lubys.html

http://www.geocities.com/jermil.geo/lubys.html

[kcwayne]

26. This is great

we would all be safer if every asshole with a Terminator complex was packing. Having millions of people walking the street or driving with loaded weapons is absolutely brilliant because just in case one of them is nuts, drunk, or insanely stupid, they could be overwhelmed with suppressing firepower. And think how much smoother and polite traffic would be if everyone know they had better check the rearview mirror three times when changing lanes because if they screw up... kablaam, Rambo junior just drew a bead on the side of their head and the last thing they will see as the bullet splits their skull is the "Jesus is Lord" and "Happiness is a warm gun" sticker on the back of Rambo's SUV.

Maybe all of these self defense (or is it offense) geniuses could train the military on how to be prepared to fend off attacks like Pearl Harbor, where because of the military's silly idea that ammunition is dangerous, they lock it up in bunkers. Then when the Japanese planes swept in, the air batteries did not get fired up for 15-45 minutes, because they had to run to the ammo lockers and release rounds. Under this brilliant scenario, the civilians could whip out their weapons and put down a supressing fire while the military, with their weak kneed, pussy liberal ways, scrambled around to get locked and loaded.

[EDT]

27. Talk about completely missing the point of the article-

Someone who decides to shoot you for cutting them off already laughs at any Feel Good Soccer Mom law you vote for in the first place, but honest people (like me) do try and live with the restrictions, usually to our detriment, as the above testimonial soberly points out to you.

[kcwayne]

33. The point was not missed, it was refuted with sarcasm

When I was a kid I lived in the Bronx. It was armed and dangerous. Some people packed to be able to rob, and protect themselves from other scumbags. Some people were solid citizens such as yourself who would never rob anyone and deliberately be an agressor with their weapon.

I saw people who had been murdered and brutalized. I have never lived anywhere else where one was afraid to walk the streets in the daytime. No one felt safe, even those who were packing themselves. Criminals who believed that a number of people around them might be packing were quicker to start shooting, not less.

The more probability than bullets can fly, whether they be from criminals or solid citizens, the more probability bullets will fly.

[EDT]

35. You can be a sheep and die, but I won't.

And you didn't refute anything, you just ignored facts that trash your argument completely.

You can go unarmed if you like, I won't stop you, but when you insist you have a right to take away my right to go armed, you're violating my rights. You shouldn't be allowed to make that decision for anyone but yourself.

And again, any Feel Good Soccer mom law you try and cling to is meaningless to a criminal.

Further, not everyone wants to carry in a city situation. I only carry when I'm off in the wilderness, and know I am my only protection, whether against animals or people.

If I had to live in the city situation you describe, I would move if at all possible, as living there is just plain stupid, or if I absolutely couldn't move, would most certainly be able to defend myself, though NY has gone out of it's way to make sure only criminals and celebrities are armed these days.

[iverglas]

14. you silly person

"that fucking numbnut in Texas drove his truck into a Luby's and heroically walked through the place with his automatic weapons and killed over 40 people."

He killed ONLY 20 people. He ONLY injured the other 23.

Don't you realize this makes all the difference, and makes anything else you might say worthless??

[Retired AF Dem]

16. And he also didn't use

automatic weapons. But he did accomplish one thing, he was the driving force for the Texas CCW law. And I'm surprised at you, normally you are such a stickler for the facts.

[iverglas]

21. facts and fish

I'm quite able to tell the difference, ta.

Enjoy your dinner.

[Retired AF Dem]

22. Sounds

like damn fine dinner.

[kcwayne]

28. A Glock 17 fires 1 round per second and has a magazine of 17 rounds

I am not a gun expert and don't know if this is technically considered and "automatic weapon", but the rate of fire and magazine capacity puts this in a catagory to this layman makes it equivalent and a technically moot point. These are not hunting weapons, they are designed and efficient for assaulting humans.

Gun Nut

[slackmaster]

30. No, they obviously aren't hunting weapons

...they are designed and efficient for assaulting humans.

That's why police carry them.

:dunce:

[Retired AF Dem]

31. But please learn something about them before you post

Let's say a semiauto glock shoots one round per second that is 60 rounds a minute. The older full automatic M-16 shoots around 900 rounds a minute. Isnt there a bit of difference?

[kcwayne]

32. Sure there is a difference. That douchebag could have killed everyone

in the restaurant and about 10% of the town if he had been packing a M16, and he would have had to have been a little more coordinated to be able to off himself with a M16.

[Retired AF Dem]

34. Guess you have never shot a M-16 full auto

the town would of been safer than a good shot with a semi auto. It's obvious that most of your gun knowledge comes from Hollywood.

There is a reason the military stopped using full auto and went to three round bursts in the M-16A2, after three rounds you cant hit anything. Guess that is why in vietnam there was something like 30,000 rounds expended for every kill.

[LinuxUser]

36. Wrong!

I must correct you, Mr. Kcwayne. Someone with a reasonable level of skill (like me) can fire a G17 twice or maybe even three times per second, not just once. The G17 is large and the 9mm is low-recoil so it's very easy to control and use in rapid-fire.

Also, yes, the standard factory mag is 17 rounds but there is also a factor 33-round mag which makes the gun even easier to control.

It is technically considered "semi-automatic" but in some usage, "semi-automatic" is a subset of "automatic". But that is not common usage anymore.

You are right, they are definitely not hunting weapons. They were not designed for assaulting humans, but they were designed to cause incapacitation in humans. They were designed in a bid for an Austrian army contract, and armies don't use handguns for assaults anymore; they use them as a last-choice defensive weapon.

[JeebusB]

17. and BTW...

Don't be a hater, bro!

You might try switching to a decafinated coffee. ;)

[JeebusB]

15. 8 guys fully armed???

Really?

According to what I've read today, only one of the victims was armed. The shooter began to walk away then turned and shot those in the other group. It was a surprise attack by one armed person against another and a few unarmed bystanders. If we're going to use anecdotal information, which is of very limited value anyway, we can at least try to be accurate.

[kcwayne]

25. 8 guys show up at a deer blind to go hunting and only 1 had a gun.

Makes sense to me

[slackmaster]

29. Yes, it would have made more sense for all 8 to squeeze into that blind

Fully armed.

:freak:

[one_true_leroy]

5. i'm hoping they really get serious about this and ban

assault spoons.

(until your mom chases you with a gravy ladle, you haven't lived :))

[Anakin Skywalker]

9. How Bad Were You?

:) I have never had that happened. Some people get all the luck!

[one_true_leroy]

10. THAT bad... has nothing to do with luck, jus' talent and skill

[slackmaster]

19. I'll give up my assault spork and my assault threek...

:D

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37. "That's not a knife"...

36 responses and not one "Crocodile Dundee" reference. :P

[LinuxUser]

38. To all who think banning guns would prevent mass killings...

http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=3809357

It is not the technology used (a gun, a knife or whatever else) but the will to do it that makes it possible. Defensive technologies (like guns) can perhaps help people defend themselves, but when there is a will to commit mass murder, it will happen.

China has pretty strict gun laws. I don't think private citizens are allowed to buy AR-15s over there. But China does not have strict poison laws, resulting in:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/east/11/14/poison.revenge.ap/

[racine]

39. So more guns mean more crime?

"...The more probability than bullets can fly, whether they be from criminals or solid citizens, the more probability bullets will fly..."
So what happens when only the bad dudes let fly and the good citizens cower and wait for the law? I witnessed this once in Houston in 1990 and the police NEVER showed up! I had to call them again. By the time they actually showed up an hour and a half went by. If you ban all weapons that would include knives(swiss variety included), matches, rolling pins, bow and arrows, well you get my drift. What happened to teaching your youth about responsibility with weapons be that cars, trucks, crossing the street, alcohol, matches, knives, etc... Or is that not politically correct? I used to feel neutral about this while living in Southern Cal. but it seemed like crime just kept getting worse and options for defending your family and yourself got slimmer. So I moved away to avoid that problem. Now I hear that since citizens are able to legally possess and carry weapons in Florida that crime has actually dropped. But what happened to that probability mentioned above???

[alwynsw]

40. Probably used this:

It's a dark side of the force knife.