Fuck guns

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

They kill people.

Period.

I've managed to live over a half a century without using a gun on another person or to defend myself or my family. I've lived a rougher life than most and still live.

People do kill people. And guns are their tool of choice.

Fuck guns.

[trumad]

1. I say over 400 posts on this one...

First

[Ironpost]

6. Viet Nam vet here, and own no guns or will I.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

20. I was C.O. and dodged Nam. Mainly because too many of my Friends

came back in boxes.

It gave me great impetus to protest the war.

I never once dissed the soldiers, they were the ones I was trying to help.

[Ironpost]

26. Thanks my friend

It was people like you that stopped the war not folks like me. THANK YOU. Keep up the good fight.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

33. The wall in DC holds my neighbor's names...

It was a travesty to say the least. I didn't do shit except spend a few nights in jail here and there.

Nothing compared to being in country.

I'm sorry we couldn't have done more sooner.

You are the hero here.

:toast:

From the non spin reality.

[4_Legs_Good]

2. Guns don't kill people, they just make it reeeeally easy...

Best bumpersticker ever.

I'm on board screw guns.

david

[Squatch]

3. It's really hard to shoot a duck with a bow and arrow

[4_Legs_Good]

7. As well it should be.

[Squatch]

9. And skeet. Damn near impossible to hit with a slingshot

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

38. When I was in my 20's i could hit 100-100 skeet.

Bowling takes as much talent.

[Squatch]

41. I was never that good, although I did win a round of

sporting clays, once. It helped that everybody else was a worse shot than I was...ha, ha, ha. (If that's not Yogi Berra-ish, I don't know what is)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

43. These were hand thrown....

I don't know if I could have done as well with the more modern machines.

I doubt I would be so virulently against guns if they all shot pellets. It's the obvious large slug killers out there that make me concerned about the 2nd amendment's intention VS reality.

[Squatch]

44. I have my 2 shotguns and a rifle, now.

Got rid of my pistol recently.

I don't even use my rifle anymore, since I started bowhunting, but it's a heirloom from my Dad, so I'm gonna hang on to it. I would like a 22 to teach my wife to shoot properly.

[-..__...]

60. "Reality", he posts...

LOL!

Enlighten us with your perception of "reality" that makes you think guns are unnecessary (or at least why "large slug killers" are)?

What exactly is it that you're so "concerned" about?

[jody]

73. If they were "hand thrown", then you shot targets, not skeet. n/t

[cms]

102. Citizens shall have the right to bear BB firing arms...

and that right shall not be infringed...

[Midlodemocrat]

4. Agreed.

I detest guns and simply cannot see the rationale for owning one. I do not think that a 'gun in every house' is what the founding fathers had in mind when they drafted the Bill of Rights.

[skippythwndrdog]

82. It is a choice.

A gun in every home that chooses to have one. Simple.

[Fire]

85. No Midlodemocrat

a gun in every house certainly helped them beat the british, feed themselves and defend themselves from native american raids. I think that it was exactly what they had in mind.

[Krinkov]

91. hmm...

"The constitutions of most of our States assert that all power is inherent in the people; that... it is their right and duty to be at all times armed." --Thomas Jefferson to John Cartwright, 1824.

" governor constitutionally the commander of the militia of the State, that is to say, of every man in it able to bear arms." --Thomas Jefferson to A. L. C. Destutt de Tracy, 1811.

"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion of your walks." --Thomas Jefferson to Peter Carr, 1785. ME 5:85, Papers 8:407


there are countless more just like these.

[sangh0]

5. Did you see the thread in the Lounge - a freeper shot a cat in the face

real nice. Thank God that freeper could defend himself against the insane kitty cat. After all, an armed society is a polite society, right?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

12. I saw that and posted there.

IMHO, it was a typical gun owner.

What's the use of having a tool that you can't use?

[sangh0]

22. What's your position on rarely used tools?

Because I'm not too thrilled with the idea of castration :-)

(unless it's that kitty-killing bastard)

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

28. I'm a tool and gadget phreak.... You don't buy something without

the intention of using it. Just MHO.

[sangh0]

31. This one was a gift

from my father

[cms]

103. But who said you have to use it in a negative fashion???

Firearms manuals do not say:

Keep out of reach of children.
Only aim at what you intend to shoot.
Always point in a safe direction.
You must kill as many people as possible as long as you own this gun.
Always unload firearm while cleaning...


***Or at least my manuals don't say that!

[EstimatedProphet]

54. This is the reason so many gun owners get pissed off about these arguments

IMHO, it was a typical gun owner.

Yeah. I own guns, so of course I wander around the neighborhood killing my neighbors pets.
WHAT THE $!~%^#$ KIND OF FUCKEDUP ARGUMENT IS THAT!? How dare you say that just because someone owns a gun they get some sick pleasure out of torturing animals!
How are you any different than the people that say that pro-choice people just want to be able to murder babies?

[left15]

86. There are a lot of tools that are rarely used

Like a fire extinguisher, or have a fire alarm, how about one of those new automatic defibrillator.


Like firearms, they are rarely used, but when they are, they can save a life.

And like firearms, all can be misused as well.

[Krinkov]

92. i use my tools all the time!

just got 2000 rounds for my AK in the mail-- tomorrow bright and early i will administer justice against 10 pounds of potatoes, an old street sign, 2 pumpkins, a broken stereo, and a few apples.

Inanimate objects suck and must be punished!

[imax2268]

8. well...

i'll probably get flamed for this but...

I don't think that poking a guy in the eye who's going to jack my car...or break into my house is going to help...I'll take my gun...

[Midlodemocrat]

11. But honestly,

do you really think that is going to happen? Don't you think calling the police is a better reaction.

[Squatch]

14. It's happened to me. Twice. Same weekend.

Both times I had my gun and used it. I no longer live in that neighborhood.

[Midlodemocrat]

15. I was gonna say.

...glad you are okay, but are you okay with the possibility that you might actually kill someone? I know, I know, better than being killed. I just wonder if you had given than any thought.

[Squatch]

18. I was fully prepared to kill somebody.

I was in full "protection mode". They were trying to get into my house, I was prepared to deter them.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

24. Did you kill the guy trying to jack your car?

If so, was it a fair trade?

[Squatch]

25. Jack my car? They were trying to break into my house.

My wife and I were asleep. Dog woke us up both times.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

35. Okay, did you kill the burglar?

Did he do you or yours harm that would negate the value of his or her life?

[Squatch]

36. I didn't give THEM the chance.

The first time, they broke a pane of glass in the door, then ran when I yelled at them. I shouted at them from my bedroom when they were trying to break in.

The second time, I think they just thought better of it when they saw the front porch light come on.

Both cases, I called the police, told them I had a gun, and that they should ID themselves clearly when trying to contact me at home.

Their lives would be forfeit had they crossed the threshhold into my home. I have too much love for my family to let them try to hurt us.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

39. In both cases, you did not have to use your gun.

Nuff' said.

[Squatch]

42. Not sure I follow...I used my gun in both cases

to deter crime against me and my family. Gun use does not always involve pulling a trigger, thank God.

[esterload]

68. You don't understand, I'm afraid

You don't wait for the harm! You break into my home and present a deadly threat to my family you *will* face deadly force before you can cause harm. Trust me, I won't hesitate a second. And, yes, I still sleep well at night.

The only regret is that the carpet is ruined. But replacement is cheap and two coats of Kilz gets rid of the stench.

Face facts, the world is a tough place where a few folks think they can visit violence with impunity. If you equivocate when you or your family is threatened, well, you're damned near as immoral as the perp.

You know, there was a day when Democrats weren't wimps... Unfortunately most folks think we can't protect them from threats.

[imax2268]

23. what good will it do

to call the police if I had a bullet in my head...?

I don't know if it reall is going to happen...you don't know these things...it can happen at anytime...

Believe me...I'm going to defend myself and use my gun on the perp first if need be...I'm hopeing that if...if...it did happen the site of my gun in the perps face will make him think twice...

[Midlodemocrat]

29. Theoretically, I believe you are probably correct

...however, in a household with children, a gun must be locked up to protect them. How quickly would you be able to get the key, unlock the gun, load it (if unloaded) and prepare for this? That is why I think this is a flawed argument. You would have to have a lot of notice that someone was breaking in and that isn't going to be the case.

[DoNotRefill]

57. there are "mini vaults"...

that can be opened in under a second. They can't be opened by children, but give quick access to a loaded gun if needed. They cost less than $200.

[Cooper]

96. carry 24/7

i don't have children. if i did, i'd carry a gun on my person while in the home. it would then be safe from the children, but within arms reach.

when sleeping, i'd store it in a quick-open bedside gunsafe. or just lock my bedroom door.

[sierrajim]

78. A reply for you

NO YOU FUCKING MORON!

[Cooper]

97. scuse me mr. bad guy, i have to make a call . . .

are you actually serious? you kind of sound like a troll with this logic.

ok, here's a scenario. you're at a redlight, boxed in with cars all around. a 6'2" 250lb guy walks up with a tire iron and breaks out your window. he rears back to hit you with it. your options are:

1) call the cops with the cellphone you drew from your pocket as you saw the guy walking up.

2) ventilate the mofo with the handgun you drew from your pocket as you saw the guy walking up.

which option would you choose?

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

30. Actually, if you poked a guy's eye out while he was jacking your car

he'd probably forget really quickly about his original intention.

[alwynsw]

88. he'd probably forget really quickly about his original intention.

yup. And proceed to kill you in a fit of rage THEN take your car.

[cms]

101. Thats if he don't stick a knife in you first...

...personally I'd rather scare him off with a firearm, and if need be, use it to save my life.

[Goldmund]

10. Fuck 'em!

[Shoeempress]

13. I like guns for target practice, never to shoot a living creature. Nor am

I so naive as to think I can get it, load it and use it for self defense without someone taking it away from me to kill me. That's just idiotic unless you walk around with it on your hip. And who the F is that paranoid. Not me.

[Ironpost]

21. me either

[hollowdweller]

27. I had to shoot a rottweiler that was loose and trying to kill my dog

I used a .22 and the bullet just bounced off his thick skull but he ran off yelping. Still after having him kill my 17 year old cat and my friends 13 year old mutt if I see him on my land again I'm using a bigger caliber and doing him in.

I have a friend and fellow goatkeeper who lives in Montana and she has an awful time with mountain lions getting in her barn and eating her goats. Ate one of her permanent champions and best does. She locks the barn tight but they still get in. She never goes to the barn without a .357 and has had to shoot a couple.

[Yuugal]

16. since I have a penis....

I've managed to live for 39 years without having an abortion. But I still support the right of other people to have them.

[slackmaster]

17. I have 31 of them and they must all be defective

Or is it 32? None of them has ever killed anyone.

:shrug:

I respect your right not to own a gun and to forbid them in your home. Please extend me the courtesy of allowing me to decide what is appropriate in my home. I collect guns because I like them, I understand them, and when properly cared for they appreciate in value.

BTW - All of my firearms are secured in a big heavy safe. I keep them locked up at all times except when I am using, inspecting, or cleaning them. If you have a problem with that, all I have to say to you is "Tango Sierra".

[Ironpost]

34. no problem here, responsible ownership, good thing... yes

[Columbia]

61. Tango Sierra

Toss Salad? :shrug:

[slackmaster]

64. I mean excrement that is not easily masticated

:argh:

[Columbia]

65. Ahh... gotcha

Do I get points for being close? :dunce:

[slackmaster]

66. You get a biscuit, and if you ever come to San Diego

I'll buy you a beer at Sparky's.

http://www.broadwaypub.com

[Columbia]

67. Mmm... yum...

Is it just me or does every beach city have a bar named Sparky's?

Either way, sounds good to me. :toast:

[slackmaster]

69. Myrtle Beach, SC doesn't have a Sparky's

But it does have a Sharky's.

Great beach bar!

[MrSandman]

71. Charlie Foxtrot...

Chicken & Fries:shrug:

[enfield collector]

63. safe porn!

[puddycat]

77. yea, its funny--my guns have never killed anyone, either.

some people want to rob us of our constitutional rights based on what other people have done with their belongings. That is like telling me to give up my car because some drunk I don't even know killed somebody while driving. Or its like telling me to melt down all my silverware because some PCP crazed idiot took a steak knife and slashed someone.

The strange reasoning people use as a means to disarm peaceful citizens never ceases. I don't understand how some people arrive at the notion that all guns are all bad. I grew up with guns, hunted, took target-practice, and had some very tasty meals of pheasant and deer because of guns, and at no time has being pro-gun made me into a testosterone-heavy swaggering bragging flag-waving freeper.

[Krinkov]

93. mine either!

my ak47 hasn't killed any living thing ever. Am i doing something wrong?
After all, i bought it because its so lethal and deadly..

it hasnt even killed any children or any cops either, and i was told by the gun dealer that it was guaranteed to be twice as lethal to those demographics!

[MaroonVette]

19. That's a fine personal choice for some people

Many Americans have managed to live over a half a century without using a gun on another person or to defend themselves or their family and they usually own more than one firearm. The fact we still have the right to own firearms is a good sign for America and it helps keep those that would harm others weaker than themselves from many barbaric acts.

The people who wrote the Constitution were wise people indeed.

[cms]

99. Ditto

to that!

[wildeyed]

32. I don't much care for hand guns, either,

but I have no problem with other people owning them. I do hope they have training and have secured them properly. Also, statistically, gun owners are in far more danger from their own gun than they are from crime. For most people, a dog is a much better deterrent to crime than a gun.

[DoNotRefill]

58. gun owners are in far more danger from their own gun

Only if you think "suicide" is a "danger"...

[McKenzie]

37. hand guns and assault weaponry suck

Sporting shotguns and rifles are ok if properly controlled. (I'm pro-sport shooting)

Other than sport shooting there is no reason to own a lethal weapon. Defence? Oh boy...we don't have universal gun ownership in the UK. Nor do we have loads of deaths from misuse of firearms.

Flame proof suit on and zipped tight.

[aikoaiko]

47. I thought gun violence was on the rise....

...in the UK?

[DoNotRefill]

59. and you don't have people killing each other over there...

with knives or their bare hands often, either.

Different society, and all that.

[Krinkov]

94. lethal weapons

Sporting shotguns and rifles are ok if properly controlled. Other than sport shooting there is no reason to own a lethal weapon.

I didn't realize sporting shotguns and rifles weren't lethal weapons. I'll have to pick one up a bunch of those for my neices and nephews.

[GHOSTDANCER]

40. Did you pay any taxes today? Did you buy any alcohol or cigerettes?

If you did then today you helped buy them more guns... bought them more bombs and missles and..... and...... and

[goju]

45. Your choice

Just dont try to impose it on me. Sound good?

[Jack_DeLeon]

46. No thanks...

I like my guns but I prefer not to have sexual relations with them.

[aikoaiko]

48. Fuck guns?

Yes, they kill people. Sometimes they're innocent and sometimes not.
The gun debate is much complicated than you imply.

I have defended myself with a weapon (didn't have to shoot it), and I'm glad I had one.

I'm not willing to give up my guns to make you feel better.

[indigobusiness]

49. A good fart has stopped many a carjacking.

And reloading is half the fun.

[Name removed]

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[indigobusiness]

51. That's my philosophy.

Welcome to DU.

At ease, soldier.

[Roland of Gilead]

52. Wow what a silly post! And feeble, and whiny......

Is there a fact in it? Guns kill people? So do cars, beer, cigarettes, unprotected sex, and sloth. I know I'd rather take a bullet than die of AIDs or congential heart failure.

How about saying something constructive? How about doing something constructive? I mean, at 50, surely by now you've realized that guns are going nowhere. I know I am not turning mine in, I don't care what you say to try to convince me.

Fuck people who try to take people's rights, be they abortion rights, gun rights, voting rights, or religious rights.

[skippythwndrdog]

53. That is silly.

Guns are merely a tool. The person behind them is the weapon.

[Township75]

55. Fuck Tigers! I have lived almost 30 years and never once needed a tiger.

And I don't just limit that to defense, but everything. I can't ever recall when I needed a tiger.

Tigers kill people.

FUCK TIGERS

[DoNotRefill]

56. Some people...

need killing. It's a sad fact, but it's true.

[-..__...]

62. "I've managed to live over a half a century without using a gun ...

...on another person or to defend myself or my family".

Or, put in perspective...

Mitch Robbins (Billy Crystal): Hi Curly. Killed anyone today?
Curly (Jack Palance): The day ain't over yet...

[Walt Starr]

70. that's your right and your choice

Just don't take away my choice to own a gun by attempting to usurp my right to keep and bear arms.

[Left in IL]

72. I've lived for 40 years witthout...

using anything but band-aids from my fist-aid kit, but I still keep it in my car, and every year, I throw out a portion of the supplies and replace them with fresh ones. I am also up to date in First aid and CPR. If I was allowed to carry a gun, I would also do that and hope I'd never have to use any of it.

[turnkey]

74. Fuck Gunz...

WOW!...Talk about your sexual disjunction! :eyes:

[RoeBear]

75. Screwing any type of inanimate object...

...is not very healthy. But you certainly don't want to fuck a loaded gun.

[Billy Ruffian]

76. They are not very soft, either

and the barrel diameter is just a bit too small

[sierrajim]

79. WOW you must know everything

Or you are a anti-freedom NAZI that thinks he knows what is good for everyone. Oh wait that must mean that your A FUCKING FED.

[alwynsw]

80. My thoughts on your thoughts about guns

Disclaimer: The opinion expressed in the GIF above reflects only this poster's opinion of the opinion stated by the poster of the origination post. It should not be construed to be this poster's opinion of the poster of the origination post in this thread. Have a nice day.

[skippythwndrdog]

81. Fuck Freedom.

Freedom kills dictatorships and keeps the government out of personal lives.

Period.

I've managed to be alive over a quarter of a century without needing freedom to exist for me or my family. I've lived a worse life than most.

Freedom is slavery.

Fuck Freedom.

[Walt Starr]

83. There has never EVER been a gun that killed somebody

People USING guns have killed people, but guns do not kill people all by their lonesome.

[Union Thug]

84. Well, I'm over 40 and have had guns since I was a child

And I've never killed anybody. Nor have I ever pointed a gun at a human being.

However, I have killed a lot of paper targets, cans, an occasional fruit and/or vegatable, and even shot some pheasant and grouse when my father took us hunting.

As per your final thought - I'm not sure I'd like to fuck a gun. Ouch.

[alwynsw]

87. Fuck guns?

I'm so sorry yours fits any popular claiber.

[Sinister Angel]

90. ha

Backhand!

[Name removed]

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[Atigun]

95. Guns

Well, I've lived over three score so I'm a bit older than you, never made the bucket (went to prison) but had a few rough edges in my life. Bought my first gun when I was 9 years old, served and was Honorably discharged from the Army and in the course of making a living by lawful pursuits I found it necessary on several occasions over the years to employ the use of a firearm. The circumstances and outcomes are my business and not public domaine. A gun was my tool of choice and without one I would not be posting this message so fuck you and not the gun.

[cms]

98. Fuck cars...

They polute our earth, they cause hundreds of thousands of deaths each year, they can be used for suicide, they can be used by terrorists, they can kill many people in seconds simply by driving into a crowd, and they object of choice for drug dealers to transport their goods. Do it for the children...

[anonymous44]

100. lol

[cms]

104. Be sure to leave the safety on and unload the gun...

otherwise you might end up with a nasty flesh wound!

[Wickerman]

105. Locking

this has way out-lived whatever usefulness it might have had when started last year.

Thanks for stopping by!