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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 06:31 AM
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Serious consequences
Ghassan Khatib, Bitterlemons.org, Jul 23, 2008

Although the recent deal between Hizballah and Israel allowed an exchange of prisoners and bodies, it's not the first of its kind. There have been similar exchanges in the past between Israel and Hizballah as well as between Israel and Palestinian political organizations. This time, however, the swap has more significant and far-reaching consequences, because it took place in a different political context.

Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular are divided over the most effective approach to deal with Israel in order to achieve the common objective of ending the occupation and other forms of Israeli aggression on Arab peoples and territories. One camp promotes the political and diplomatic approach while adopting positions and demands in line with international legality. This camp includes most Arab governments, notably Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as the Palestinian Authority under Fateh in Palestine.

The other camp believes that the most effective approach is resistance and conflict in addition to adopting positions and demands that are based on the rights of the Palestinians and Arabs. That includes some Arab governments like Syria, as well as highly popular and credible non-state actors such as Hizballah in Lebanon and Hamas in Palestine. This approach seems to enjoy more public support than the first.

The two sides have been competing to secure achievements of a kind that can convince the public of the validity of their respective approaches. In this context, the exchange deal that was reached between Hizballah and Israel and the way it was implemented represented a major coup for the second camp, the "revolutionary" side. This is especially true since Hamas, which is engaged in a similar negotiations process with Israel, will sooner or later be able to ensure the release of a few hundred Palestinian prisoners. (emphasis is the poster's)

All this is happening in parallel with the failure of the PA, led by Fateh, and its allies among the "moderate" Arab regimes to secure any achievement in political negotiations, especially on the most sensitive and immediate issues: a freeze on Israeli settlement expansion and a release of prisoners within the context of Palestinian-Israeli relations and negotiations.

Indeed, ever since Mahmoud Abbas was elected president he has not wasted any opportunity to request Israeli goodwill gestures. Israel, in turn, has not failed to ignore them. The average person in Palestine and the Arab world will thus compare Hizballah leader Sheikh Hasan Nasrallah's public promises to secure the release of prisoners held by Israel and those of President Abbas to do the same.

The non-moderate elements in the region have made other kinds of progress in proving the efficacy of their political positions and public stance. Israel is now enrolled in different kinds of contacts and negotiations with Syria, Hizballah and Hamas. This, at a time when the "moderate" Arab representatives have been unable to move toward an end to occupation or even to ensure a reduction in those Israeli practices that serve to consolidate the occupation.


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http://imeu.net/news/article0013696.shtml
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 12:42 PM
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1. Crickets??
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 01:29 PM
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2. Nassar....
like Hizballa was the"darling " of the arab world...and he too believe that violence worked.....and he want too far. PLO thought the same.....and now its Hizballas turn. They too will go to far.....and israel the next round with Hizballa will end up having a far different approach to them then Lebanon II....
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:13 PM
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3. Are you seriously comparing Nasser & Hezbollah?
What's the common thread in these movements?
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 01:22 AM
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5. its easy...
pan arab "leaders"...both appeal to the arab street/intellectual as their "saviour" ......the one that restores arab pride.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:26 AM
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6. They all have moustaches...
pee standing up...

speak the same language...

By jove, you're on to something!
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-25-08 09:30 PM
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4. Hezbollah is now part of the Lebanese government
there for is all of Lebanon game?
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:27 AM
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7. It is shocking that in this forum, where ever facet of I/P is parsed, an Op-ed that asks
why Israel will ONLY work with militants while it sidelines moderates is flat out ignored.

Is there truly comment on this?
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:42 AM
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8. you constantly ignore history....
which is why you can make such simple claims.

israel has two peace treaties with egypt and jordan..hence the claim that israel only works with militants is simply wrong....both have lasted.

As far as working with the PA, again your making of such a simplistic comment holds little when faced with history. Oslo came about due to moderation....oslo fell apart due to violence.

whatever israels actions were during oslo none of them compared to suicide bombing (note i am placing human life as the most important value - others, with a more religious or nationalistic bent, may differ )...hence in israelis eyes the advent of the suicide bomber was in fact the "death of the Palestinian moderate faction". To further this, we have gaza*......additional proof that at this point, the moderate theory of "land for peace" doesnt work.

*though this may yet to be shown promising if things do change in gaza......though it will be ironic if hamas becomes the "moderate force"
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 02:34 PM
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9. OK then... sidelined moderates since 1978.... is that better?
I consider Oslo to be one long process of sidelining! Sure didn't stop the settlement machine, did it?
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Malikshah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-26-08 06:36 PM
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10. People like to forget Abu Jihad's assassination...and others... sometimes, the truth is a bit too
inconvenient.

History is like that for some.
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