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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:39 PM
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Syria Calling: The Obama Administration’s chance to engage in a Middle East peace. by Seymour Hersh
This is a fairly long and very nuanced article. I recommend everyone take some time to read this latest New Yorkers article by Mr. Hersh in full.

link to full article:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/04/06/090406fa_fact_hersh

snip:



A senior Syrian official explained that Israel’s failure to unseat Hamas from power in Gaza, despite the scale of the war, gave Assad enough political room to continue the negotiations without losing credibility in the Arab world. Assad also has the support of Arab leaders who are invested in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani,* the ruler of Qatar, said last month when I saw him in Doha that Assad must take any reasonable steps he can to keep the talks going. “Syria is eager to engage with the West,” he said, “an eagerness that was never perceived by the Bush White House. Anything is possible, as long as peace is being pursued.”

A major change in American policy toward Syria is clearly under way. “The return of the Golan Heights is part of a broader strategy for peace in the Middle East that includes countering Iran’s influence,” Martin Indyk, a former American Ambassador to Israel, who is now the director of the Saban Center for Middle East Policy, at the Brookings Institution, said. “Syria is a strategic linchpin for dealing with Iran and the Palestinian issue. Don’t forget, everything in the Middle East is connected, as Obama once said.”

A former American diplomat who has been involved in the Middle East peace process said, “There are a lot of people going back and forth to Damascus from Washington saying there is low-hanging fruit waiting for someone to harvest.” A treaty between Syria and Israel “would be the start of a wide-reaching peace-implementation process that will unfold over time.” He added, “The Syrians have been ready since the 1993 Oslo Accords to do a separate deal.” The new Administration now has to conduct “due diligence”: “Get an ambassador there, or a Presidential envoy. Talk to Bashar, and speak in specifics so you’ll know whether or not you’ve actually got what you’ve asked for. If you’re vague, don’t be surprised if it comes back to bite you.”

Many Israelis and Americans involved in the process believe that a deal on the Golan Heights could be a way to isolate Iran, one of Syria’s closest allies, and to moderate Syria’s support for Hamas and for Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite group. Both Hamas and Hezbollah are listed as terrorist organizations by the U.S. State Department. There is a competing view: that Assad’s ultimate goal is not to marginalize Iran but to bring it, too, into regional talks that involve America—and perhaps Israel. In either scenario, Iran is a crucial factor motivating each side.

These diplomatic possibilities were suggested by Senator John Kerry, of Massachusetts, the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, who met with Assad in Damascus in February—his third visit since Assad took office, in 2000. “He wants to engage with the West,” Kerry said in an interview in his Senate office. “Our latest conversation gave me a much greater sense that Assad is willing to do the things that he needs to do in order to change his relationship with the United States. He told me he’s willing to engage positively with Iraq, and have direct discussions with Israel over the Golan Heights—with Americans at the table. I will encourage the Administration to take him up on it.

“Of course, Syria will not suddenly move against Iran,” Kerry said. “But the Syrians will act in their best interest, as they did in their indirect negotiations with Israel with Turkey’s assistance—and over the objections of Iran.”



a particularly interesting snip from Mr. Hersh's article:



The Obama transition team also helped persuade Israel to end the bombing of Gaza and to withdraw its ground troops before the Inauguration. According to the former senior intelligence official, who has access to sensitive information, “Cheney began getting messages from the Israelis about pressure from Obama” when he was President-elect. Cheney, who worked closely with the Israeli leadership in the lead-up to the Gaza war, portrayed Obama to the Israelis as a “pro-Palestinian,” who would not support their efforts (and, in private, disparaged Obama, referring to him at one point as someone who would “never make it in the major leagues”). But the Obama team let it be known that it would not object to the planned resupply of “smart bombs” and other high-tech ordnance that was already flowing to Israel. “It was Jones”—retired Marine General James Jones, at the time designated to be the President’s national-security adviser—“who came up with the solution and told Obama, ‘You just can’t tell the Israelis to get out.’ ” (General Jones said that he could not verify this account; Cheney’s office declined to comment.)

Syria’s relationship with Iran will emerge as the crucial issue in the diplomatic reviews now under way in Washington. A settlement, the Israelis believe, would reduce Iran’s regional standing and influence. “I’d love to be a fly on the wall when Bashar goes to Tehran and explains to the Supreme Leader that he wants to mediate a bilateral relationship with the United States,” the former American diplomat said, referring to Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

An Israeli official acknowledged that his government had learned of “tensions between Syria and Iran in recent months.” Before Gaza, he said, there had been a noticeable change in the Syrian tone during informal contacts—“an element of openness, candor, and civility.” He cautioned, however, “You can move diplomatically with the Syrians, but you cannot ignore Syria’s major role in arming Hamas and Hezbollah, or the fact that it has intimate relations with Iran, whose nuclear program is still going forward.” He added, with a smile, “No one in Israel is running out to buy a new suit for the peace ceremony on the White House lawn.”

Martin Indyk said, “If the White House engages with Syria, it immediately puts pressure on Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah.” He said that he had repeatedly sought, without success, to convince the Bush Administration that it was possible to draw Syria away from Iran. In his recent memoir, “Innocent Abroad,” Indyk wrote, “There is a deep divergence between Iran and Syria, captured in the fact that at the same time as Iran’s president threatens to wipe Israel off the map, his Syrian ally is attempting to make peace with Israel. . . . Should negotiations yield a peace agreement, it would likely cause the breakup of the Iranian-Syrian axis.” When we spoke, he added, referring to Assad, “It will not be easy for him to break with Hezbollah, Hamas, and Iran, but he cannot get a peace deal unless he does. But, if he feels that things are moving in the Middle East, he will not want to be left behind.”




link to full article:

http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/04/06/090406fa_fact_hersh

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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 09:42 PM
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1. Seymour Hersh's interview on Democracy Now regarding this article:
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 04:43 PM
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4. Awesome analysis. Extremely interesting -- no matter what you perspective.
Democracy Now is the premier progressive news source IMO.

You can sign up for daily podcasts~!
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 10:07 PM
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2. Israel thought it would "unseat Hamas"? OY.
How foolish. Me, I'd hand them statehood tomorrow. Tell them to form a government with Fatah. Then shut the door and walk away laughing.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-31-09 10:26 PM
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3. I think Syria's relationship to Iran is a pragmatic one, and vice versa.
Edited on Tue Mar-31-09 10:29 PM by bemildred
So I don't think that it is really as big a deal as it is made to seem here to "pry them apart". Neither one would have done so well during the Bush years if they were inclined to fly off the handle at a bit of purple rhetoric or the occasional bombing run. And I don't think "isolating Iran" is a realistic goal. But otherwise, OK.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 05:03 PM
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5. Interesting to think about the shifting alliances
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 06:16 PM
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6. Interesting and scary. nt
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 08:31 PM
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7. How so?
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:57 PM
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9. Well, instablility is unpredictable.
We have had a long period or stability, based on the outcome of WWII. There were two winners, the USA and the USSR. Twenty years ago the USSR collapsed from internal corruption/disfunction. Right now the USA is doing the same. Quite commonly in this sort of situation you get big, ugly wars to decide who is the new bigshot, or whether the old bigshot is quite over the hill yet. And that's just politics.

We also have imminent crises WRT food, water, energy, and climate change. All somewhat related. Those may be expected to lead to all of the four horsemen taking a ride and genocidal political upheavals. When you combine that with increasingly disfunctional social and economic arrangements, it's scary. We could easily get a new dark ages.

The process of centralization and globalization means that when economic systems start to fail, there is not much local economy to carry people through. Centralized systems are not robust. Small farmers are in short supply, and they will not be able to pick up the slack if Archer Daniels Midland and the like go belly up.

But I don't want to be chicken little or Cassandra, I just see that the old order is in disorder and nobody knows what's coming next. It could take quite a long time yet. Obama could be like Trajan and set things right. Technology could bail us out, or some of us anyway. But I feel safe in predicting that the status quo of these last 60+ years is ending.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 05:37 AM
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13. Oh that!
I was actually more excited by the possibilities of these shifting alliances... Syria using these talks to pursh a regional agreement... the US asking Syria to help moderate Hamas and Hezbullah... etc. I found Hirsch's portryal of Obama's far more nuanced approach hopeful!

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 09:02 AM
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15. Well nuance is where it is at.
Smart people see the world in more complicated ways than not-so-smart ones. I have mentioned the formation of a Northern tier of muslim states: Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran, with some gulf states thrown in, all getting along with each other, and all disagreeing with the southern old guard, SA and Egypt etc, is an interesting development. But I don't know what to make of it yet in terms of implications.

There is really nothing special in noticing that if you want to get along and improve relations, you have to talk to everybody. The notion that going around yelling "Fuck You, I'm the King!" to everybody is a good way to get what you want is observably false. I am pleased with Obama so far, he plays a subtle hand, and that's a good sign. The mere absence of constant bloviating with threats and lies is a vast improvement.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 09:03 PM
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8. a friend of mine just got back from Syria - he had been there numerous times before
but what he told me was that Syria is increasingly looking like a state where the old Soviet model is simply running on empty.

The personality cult of Assad the younger was never able to measure up to aura surrounding the more charismatic father.

Unlike Iran, Syria has very little in the way of exportable resources.

From all the talk that I can gather, Syria has been anxiously hoping to normalize relations with the United States for quite some time. But just as normalization with Egypt could not occur without the return of the Sinai, normalization with Syria simply cannot occur without the return of the Golan.

I recall this statement from former President Clinton regarding a plausible Syrian-Israeli peace settlement:



Bill Clinton: Israel-Syria peace deal could be reached within 35 minutes

A peace agreement between Israel and Syria could be reached within 35 minutes, former U.S. president Bill Clinton told the Lebanon-based Asharq Al-Awsat newspaper in an interview published Sunday.

Clinton said Israel and Syria were very close to reaching an agreement in 1998, adding that an accord could be reached assuming Iran does not play a role in the issue.


http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/848517.html



However, there is a major problem. There are approximately 20,000 Israeli settlers in the Golan Heights. With plans to double the number to 40,000. It would take a fair amount of political will to change that agenda and even more to move the settlers. It's not impossible, but it could be very difficult.





From Washington Post:

Golan Heights Land, Lifestyle Lure Settlers
Lebanon War Revives Dispute Over Territory

By Scott Wilson
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, October 30, 2006; Page A01

link:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/29/AR2006102900926.html

snip:"The pace has picked up in recent years. Now, for the first time, the number of Jewish settlers in Golan may soon exceed the nearly 20,000 Arab residents whose families remained here after the war. The milestone may have already been passed, Arab leaders concede, with 400 Jewish families moving into Golan each year.

Since the Lebanon war ended on Aug. 14, settler leaders have launched a $250,000 advertising campaign to attract young Israelis with the lure of free land and a lifestyle ethic that blends Marlboro Country, Napa Valley and the X Games. Their goal is to double the Jewish population in Golan to 40,000 within a decade through an appeal that emphasizes cowboy hats over skullcaps"

link to full article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/29/AR2006102900926.html




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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-01-09 10:14 PM
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10. That sounds about right.
It is very telling that Syria has abandoned its claims to Lebanon.

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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 12:15 AM
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11. Realistically what incentive does Israel have to
"normalize" relations with Syria? What has the 40 year long state of war cost Israel? Israel seems to have invested a great deal in making the Golan area an indispensable part of Israel, why would they do that, what resources do they gain by doing so, is it just a hunk of very pretty land or something more?
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 01:01 AM
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12. I can think of four very strong incentives for Israel to normalize relations with Syria
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 01:10 AM by Douglas Carpenter
1. It would greatly weaken the influence of Iran. Syria is Iran's only state allie in the Arab world.

2. It would mean the end or at least dramatic reduction in Syrian support for Hamas and Hezbollah including much Iranian support via Syria for Hamas and Hezbollah.

3. It could also likely mean the normalization of relations with Lebanon.

4. Syria is still a pivotal and influential country in the Middle East. Normalized relations between Syria and Israel would have the potential for opening up a great deal of commercial exchange and open movement of goods services between not only Israel and Syria, but Israel and the wider Arab world including the much more prosperous Gulf states.

I believe that it would be only about a three or four hour drive between Jerusalem and Damascus or Jerusalem and Beirut for that matter - if such movement was allowed. The commercial implications of this would be enormous.

It is accepted as a given than a withdrawal from the Golan would include a network of early warning systems and international monitors along with a workable arrangement on water usage.

There is no way that the Gulf states such as Kuwait, the UAE or Bahrain would ever normalize relations before Syria does. These are all places only about a one to one and a half hour flight from Tel Aviv or about twelve hours by land travel, small but wealthy countries with enormous economic resources and their own gateway free trade zones. Again the commercial implications of this would be enormous.



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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 12:10 PM
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17. Those advantages seem obvious
however the economic advantages do not seem to matter much to Israel there could have benn those same benefits and more from the Arab Peace Initiative of 2002 but those things do not seem to make of an impression on Israel.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 03:26 PM
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20. I agree that it is unlikely that Israel will accept a peace agreement with Syria
especially given that it would require removing more than 20,000 plus settlers from the Golan. Although these settlers are for the most part secular and not for the most part, religiously devoted to holding on to the land as is the case with many of the West Bank settlers.

The late Tanya Reinhart in her book "The Road Map to Nowhere" did document that at the very same time the Labor government under Ehud Barack were supposedly negotiating with Syria and almost reaching an agreement - they were also expanding the settlements in the Golan and assuring the Golan settlers that they didn't have anything to worry about. Any agreement would not effect them. Obviously Syria would not accept an agreement which included keeping Israeli sovereignty over a spread-out network of settlements with more than 20,000 settlers spread out across the Heights.

Still as opposed to Israel's rejection of the Arab League peace initiative of 2002, an agreement with Syria would be a fairly limited agreement which would offer a great number of benefits for Israel.

What I would be interested in seeing is if the Obama Administration will be able to normalize relations with Syria regardless of what Israel does. That would also present some difficulties. Because as long as the Golan is occupied, Syria is not likely to have the political will to curtail its support for Hezbollah, Hamas and the PFLP. Since doing so would be interpreted both domestically and in the region as giving up the struggle without any tangible benefit. Without the return of the Golan, it would be difficult for Syrian domestic body politic to wean itself from Iranian dependency.

If Israel does reject a peace agreement with Syria, I would have to say that would not bode well for the future of Israel. Because it would signal that integration or acceptance into the region - even in a very limited capacity, is not at all in Israel's long term agenda - in spite of its numerous and very tangible benefits and the increased security and all the free movement that would come with it.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 05:39 AM
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14. You should read/listen to the interview.
Hirsch points out that Iran is Israel's #1 strategic threat. An agreement with Syria isolates Iran.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 12:06 PM
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16. I did read however Iran would not be isolated
Edited on Thu Apr-02-09 12:14 PM by azurnoir
Iran has other ties that are far more important than Syria which is more a poor cousin, China for instance, Iran would be more islated in the region but not cut off from the true sources of the problem with Israel which are Hezbollah and Hamas

ETA as I pointed out to DC the Arab Intuitive of 2002 would have accomplished much of the same along with recognition but still no go.
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ProgressiveMuslim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 01:52 PM
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18. I believe the notion was to be isolated in the region...
BTW.. I didn't mean that in a hand-slap way, sorry if it came off like that. I thought Hersh described it well in the interview.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-02-09 02:36 PM
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19. No offense taken at all
I guess my original question could have been more like-all things considered what is Israels problem? However if America and Syria form some kind of diplomatic agreement it could help to "influence" Israel to do the same.
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GoesTo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-05-09 11:07 AM
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21. Golan would be a great place for co-existence
Israeli Jews, Syrian and Israeli Druze, Syrian Muslims, all living together in a sort of vacation spot/cultural center for both countries. It's beautiful but not really the greatest farmland (although ok for boutique kinds of products, like vineyards), and the real reason for contention over it is the strategic value due to its physical location - rising and plateauing high up above the Galilee where Israelis don't want Syrian military, and where Syria doesn't want the Israeli military. Imagine it. Guest houses, coffee shops, skiing, art, and mingling - even executive centers for Israeli/Arab partnerships and cross-education.

I haven't heard this proposed, but it might be win-win.
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