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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:54 AM Original message |
Professor's comparison of Israelis to Nazis stirs furor |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
1. Why don't those 2 jewish students just refute the email with counter-facts? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. As in when did you stop beating your wife? |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. No- as in- "That is not true- and here is why." |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Have you ever been a college student? |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Those kids are easily intimidated. Good thing they're not students at Bir Zeit. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:51 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Way to dodge the issue. n/t. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
38. You should read before you speak. nt |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Yes. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Then you should understand |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. You might be right- maybe the students did respond. Great point. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. From what I can gather... |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
72. The two students were member of this organization |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:03 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. No they were not members of the organization |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:12 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. Then are you claiming that |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. I am claiming that you misunderstood the Ha'aretz article |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:31 PM Response to Reply #1 |
83. Because the facts might be true, |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
2. Happens here every day. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 11:59 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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Sequoia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. you mean...right....eous. |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 05:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
101. what codswallop. |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. So because the Israelis aren't perfect it's okay to tell lies about them? n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Deleted sub-thread |
ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:24 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Utter nonsense. Those posts are deleted immediately. nt |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:02 PM Response to Original message |
6. ..so when the Israeli's behave the same way as their former oppressors they cannot be.. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I am an unabashed pro-Palestinian partisan - but I do think this comparison is most unhelpful |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. I agree with you Doug. Don't do us any favors. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
16. I recevied a similar e-mail to the one the Prof in the OP showed. It was very disturbing... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I REALLY believe you should think about the scale, scope and dimensions of the Holocaust |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. In other words, it's a matter of degrees. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. unfortunately there are a lot of inappropriate comparisons to the Nazis |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. I'm going to have to agree with you. Then again... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:40 PM Response to Reply #23 |
51. no, it's not just a matter of degree. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Is there a "philosphy & intent" that might justify the acts in these photos? |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. I beg to differ... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. I have nightmares about the conceivably worse case scenarios that could plausibly result |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. I like what Obama said at the recent Holocaust conference: |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
50. they aren't close. it's sad to see this kind of ignorance |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:00 AM Response to Reply #50 |
59. Again, Obama: Holocaust was unique; human emotions that drove it are NOT unique. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I once hashed this issue through here, with the Magistrate, maybe a couple others. |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #61 |
96. I was one of those too who ventured into that conversation at times. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-03-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. But there are so many to choose from ... |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. What's significant about the Holocaust is the non-unique. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Agreed. However, the ability of so many Israelis to support the dehumanization of Palestinians, |
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whoneedstickets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 07:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
98. The Holocaust analogy is wrong, Aparthied is MUCH closer.... |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. No. It's just wrong to lie about the Israelis because you disagree with them. n/t |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
34. ppressed in the same manner? |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
22. The New Republic: Enough With the Campus Inquisitions! |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Unless the Professor was lying or presenting fake information- I agree with this take. n/t |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Me too. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. I'm not disputing his right to say ! Just as I don't think pro-Israeli professors should be fired |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. What he said is so blatantly false that it is tantamount to claiming that the earth is flat. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Are the pictures he presented photo-shopped or forged? |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. Not relevant |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. I often find factual information to be 100% relevant. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #36 |
47. In his statement the Robinson stated that he |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:56 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. "staged drama on the part of the students" |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 07:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I will admit that I wondered if |
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backwoodsbob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 04:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
92. so when x-tian professors send mass e-mails |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
33. Muzzlewatch: The chill of academic censure on the sunny West coast |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 03:38 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Muzzlewwatch is so full of it. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
40. A question |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:36 PM Response to Reply #40 |
84. The email was sent to students who had only been enrolled in the class for a week |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
41. Ethnic cleansing or apartheid, arguably, but accusations of genocide are absurd. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Are there historical examples of genocide that did not begin with ethnic cleansing or apartheid? |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Rwanda, and possibly Cambodia, so far as I know. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I guess I don't know what the subtle differences between genocide & ethnic cleansing are. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. One is trying to kill a group, the other is trying to drive them out - simple. |
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Dr Fate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I would have to take your word for it- or the professor's. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
58. Heard a report on Democracy Now that 2008 was the deadliest year for Palestine since '48. |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:58 AM Response to Reply #46 |
57. I'm not accusing Israeli of genocide, but the goal of OCL was to murder, not to |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-30-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
45. Idiot propagandist. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
54. From Ha'aretz |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:55 AM Response to Reply #54 |
56. It is utterly mind blowing |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 03:39 AM Response to Original message |
55. Those in the Warsaw ghetto would have been so lucky |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
64. no, the Gaza is not the Warsaw ghetto - not by a long show |
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Vegasaurus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:42 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. I don;t disagree with you |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:05 AM Response to Original message |
60. Enough With the Campus Inquisitions! |
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ProgressiveMuslim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Just saw the above; sorry for the dupe! |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:27 AM Response to Original message |
63. Nothing to do but drop the class |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 12:36 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Students should not be put in that position by their professors. |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 02:45 PM Response to Reply #66 |
71. The students who you claim were "put into a position" |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. First of all |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. posts #9 and #19 n/t |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #74 |
76. Those posts prove my point. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 10:25 PM Response to Reply #73 |
89. for crying out loud!! It's a university and universities are meant to be market places of ideas- |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 12:55 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. No they aren't. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 05:42 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. if a similar sociology professor had sent out photos of correction officer brutality |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Probably not, but we should. |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. coincidence theorists abound |
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aranthus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 06:01 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. What coincidence? |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. They were not members of standwithus |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:40 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. your word doesnt make it false |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. The names of the students in question are identified in the OP |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. No they were not members of that group |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:16 PM Response to Reply #78 |
86. You seem to have some "inside knowledge" n/t |
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oberliner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Yes, I read the OP! |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 12:23 AM Response to Reply #88 |
90. So did I the women you mention |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri May-01-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
70. 'Godwinizing' rarely helps a person's case. |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-02-09 09:04 AM Response to Original message |
94. From Muzzle Watch: "I can call someone Hitler or a Nazi, but you can’t." |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-04-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
99. UC-Santa Barbara faculty member goes public about ADL pressure |
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azurnoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:04 AM Response to Original message |
100. U.S. professor cleared over comparison of Gaza war to Holocaust |
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Howardx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. whiney censors lose again |
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Scurrilous (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:25 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Thanks azurnoir. |
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