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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-18-10 11:03 PM
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Nothing Left to Talk About
By HUSSEIN AGHA and ROBERT MALLEY
Published: December 14, 2010


Amid speculation over how Israelis and Palestinians might resume their talks, a reality is taking hold: The point is fast approaching where negotiations between the two will be, for all practical purposes and for the foreseeable future, over. As emissaries are dispatched and ideas explored, discussions could well carry on. But they will have lost all life, energy or sense of purpose.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu might not have been wholeheartedly committed to a peace deal with the Palestinians, but upon taking office, several factors tugged him in that direction. He worried about U.S. and regional pressure; had concerns about his own public opinion; was unsure about how Palestinians would react to a prolonged impasse.

He imagined that with creative ideas he might sway Mahmoud Abbas to move in directions the Palestinian leader had not foreseen. Plus, history beckoned, as Netanyahu caught a glimpse of himself as the man who finally would bring recognition and security to Israel.

Over the past two years, the fears have receded and the promise has faded. Somewhat to his own surprise, Netanyahu resisted America’s demands, called President Obama’s bluff and came out none the weaker.

Discontent from Arab regimes is real but flimsy; their preoccupations focused more on perpetuating their rule and thwarting Iran. A combination of Israeli military incursions and security measures, heightened cooperation with Palestinian security services and West Bank fatigue dramatically lowered the threat of a new uprising or even of significant violence. The impasse in peace talks did not prompt divided Palestinians to reunite, making plain that for now they are more interested in combating each other than fighting Israel.

Netanyahu also faces little to no pressure from a domestic opinion — let alone his core constituency — wholly disenchanted by and indifferent to the peace process. Of his initial worries, some never manifested themselves; some the prime minister either conquered or stared down; others he’s learned to live with. At times he might still fashion himself a momentous leader, but prospects of making history have become more uncertain as the perils of current politics have grown increasingly real.


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/15/opinion/15iht-edmalley15.html

Hussein Agha is a senior associate member of St. Antony’s College, Oxford, and the author, with A.S. Khalidi, of “A Framework for a Palestinian National Security Doctrine.” Robert Malley is Middle East and North Africa program director at the International Crisis Group.

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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 09:36 AM
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1. I think appearing to be trying to work things out has been the goal all along.
Or perhaps appearing to have tried to work things out. So it's all show business, and been that way for a long time now too.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-19-10 10:24 AM
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2. Palestinian negotiator says peace process in 'deep coma'
BEIT SAHUR, Palestinian Territories — A Palestinian negotiator late Saturday said the peace process with Israel was in a "deep coma" and that US proposals for resuming talks were "totally useless".

"I don't think we are to resume the negotiations soon," Nabil Shaath told journalists at Beit Sahur, near Bethlehem in the West Bank.

"The peace process is in a deep coma.... I don't think anyone wants to continue this negotiation," he said.

"There is no more credibility to this negotiation process. This is an exercise in futility, ridiculous...," he added.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gIOG4WuYfVIGuwRyBQAjQ6mNseOw?docId=CNG.0d88c40a839cc859c748793101909f78.13c1
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 06:56 AM
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3. Palestine being recognised as a state seems the only direction to go in now...
What's said in the article about Israel being content with the status quo and continued colonisation is absolutely correct. There's no motivation at all there for Israel to want to change a situation that it appears to be more than happy to continue indefinately. So with no likelihood of any negotiations that are meant to lead to a fair and just resolution, I think it'd be a very wise move for Palestine to become a state and be recognised as one by all other states except for Israel, the US and Micronesia or Nauru (the last ones are interchangeable depending on which tiny Pacific islands the US has bribed lately)...
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-20-10 10:30 AM
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4. Yeah.
I think the "Peace Process" has been mostly a stalling tactic for some time now.

Speaking of comas, I wonder how Sharon is doing? Weren't they going to unplug him? I don't see any news.

Then there is this:

Sharon sculpture

Artist Noam Braslavsky's life-size sculpture honoring the great Israeli army general and former Prime Minister Ariel Sharon went on display in Tel Aviv in October. However, Braslavsky chose to depict Sharon not in battle nor as a international statesman -- but in his hospital bed, where he has been confined, in a medically induced coma, since suffering a massive stroke in January 2006. Braslavsky said Sharon is "kind of an open nerve in Israeli society."

http://www.startribune.com/lifestyle/111683169.html?elr=KArks7PYDiaK7DUHPYDiaK7DUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUoD3aPc:_2yc:a_ncyD_MDCiUr



Apparently it's animated too.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 04:27 AM
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5. It's animated as well? That's a bit creepy...
Yeah, last thing I heard, they were taking him to a farm and unplugging him so he could enjoy nature on a very subconscious, brain-stemmy sort of level....
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-21-10 07:53 AM
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6. The only thing "creepy" are these remarks
Try to show a modicum of respect.
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