Tunisia Islamist causes outcry with "caliphate" talk

[shira]

Tunis (Reuters) - Tunisia's secularists said their fears about an Islamist takeover were being realized on Tuesday after a senior official in the moderate Islamist party which won last month's election invoked the revival of a caliphate, or Islamic state.

Footage posted on the Internet showed Hamadi Jbeli, the secretary-general of the Ennahda party, telling supporters that "We are in the sixth caliphate, God willing."

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The use of the term caliphate in Arab politics is highly sensitive because it is a concept promoted by groups at the radical end of the Islamist spectrum, such as Hizb-ut-Tahrir, which is banned in many countries. Moderate Islamist movements such as Ennahda or Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood generally steer clear of the term because of these associations.

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Ennahda is the first Islamist party to win power in the Arab world since Hamas won an election in the Palestinian Territories in 2006. "This speech is very dangerous," Said Issam Chebbi, a leading member of the secularist PDP party, told Reuters. "This is what we feared."

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sns-rt-us-tunisia-islam-caliphatetre7ae1zd-20111115,0,5914418.story

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Directly related...

Hamas Representative Addresses Tunisian Political Rally
http://www.tunisia-live.net/2011/11/15/hamas-representative-addresses-tunisian-political-rally/

Shocking news here. :eyes:

[dipsydoodle]

1. why post this in the IP Forum.?

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[MADem]

4. See here....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=372726&mesg_id=372729

[azurnoir]

6. see what the post you made 1 minute prior to this one on this forum?

not much of an answer

[MADem]

7. Read the sentence--see the magic word "Jerusalem?"

See the statement?

The minute anyone goes there, the post is filed here.

It's very much an answer, if you understand how the forum works.

[azurnoir]

2. must 'read between the(dotted) lines' sometimes

the part snipped out

The remarks by Jbeli -- his party's nominee to be the next prime minister -- complicated Ennahda's efforts to form a coalition government, leading one prospective partner to say it was partly suspending negotiations in protest.

Ennahda has reassured Tunisians it will not impose a Muslim moral code on society and will respect women's equality, but the comments by Jbeli were interpreted by secularists as evidence the party has a hidden agenda.

Khemais Ksila, a member of the executive committee of the Ettakatol party, which is in coalition talks with Ennahda, said the party was suspending its participation in two of the three committees which were working on a coalition deal.

"We do not accept this statement," he said. "We thought we were going to build a second republic with our partner, not a sixth caliphate."

we'll see what happens

[MADem]

3. Oh Jeez.

Not this shit again....

The general secretary also echoed Naïm’s words, stating, “The liberation of Tunisia will, God willing, bring about the liberation of Jerusalem.”

[dipsydoodle]

5. That's only by association

You could connect The Church of England to Jerusalem if you wanted to.

[MADem]

8. The Liberation of Jerusalem doesn't mean everyone gets a free admission to

the Dome of the Rock.

In this context, it means "Push those Jews into the sea and possess the real estate."

I've never seen the Church of England go there like that.

[azurnoir]

9. Still only an association

and your interpretation is just that yours nothing about "pushing Jews into the sea" was said

[MADem]

13. Ok, sure, fine, whatever.

They want to liberate Jerusalem from bad fashion...that's it.

[shaayecanaan]

10. "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."

"This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while." - George W Bush

"They (Canada) stand with us in this incredibly important crusade to defend freedom" - George W Bush

Clearly, the United States is a Christian Crusader state.

[shira]

11. Try telling the seculars in Tunisia there's really nothing to worry about from these extreme MB...

....rightwingers.

Clearly, we here at DU should be siding with the Ennhada pro-Hamas MB "moderates" rather than the seculars shitting their pants now in Tunisia.

:eyes:

[shaayecanaan]

12. You mean the seculars that are expected to form a governing coalition with Ennahda?

I leave their decisions up to them. I would note however, that Tunisia's (secular) newspaper of record takes a far less histrionic approach to the remarks that the British Torygraph, and leaves open the door to the more benign interpretation that Jebeli was calling for a return to the age of classical Islam - in effect a new Islamic renaissance:-

http://www.assabah.com.tn/article-60419.html

[shira]

14. Yeah, those seculars...

Khemais Ksila, a member of the executive committee of the Ettakatol party, which is in coalition talks with Ennahda, said the party was suspending its participation in two of the three committees which were working on a coalition deal.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/15/us-tunisia-islam-caliphate-idUSTRE7AE1ZD20111115

[shira]

15. Arab Spring? This is turning into the winter of Islamic jihad

The Arab Spring is rapidly turning into a winter of chaos and oppression.

As protests grip the Egyptian capital of Cairo, and Islamic fundamentalists gain in confidence there and elsewhere across the region, the hopes of Western leaders for a new era of democracy across the Middle East have been exposed as hopelessly naïve.

For far from paving the way for freedom and pluralism, the uprisings have led only to more intolerance, authoritarianism and division.

The sense of darkening crisis in Egypt this week is a disturbing example of this trend.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2064503/Arab-Spring-This-turning-winter-Islamic-jihad.html#ixzz1eT40WYUi