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drewb Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 05:20 AM
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Christain Right Waves Flag for Israel
Washington - The Israeli prime minister wasn't due at the White House for another hour, but Richard Hellman and his friends were out early yesterday to show the flag - in fact, two of them, the Star of David side by side with Old Glory.

"We are a Christian group for a strong U.S.-Israeli relationship," Hellman said as he paraded along Pennsylvania Avenue. "We are Christians. We believe in the truth of the Bible. We believe America will be blessed as it blesses Israel, as the Bible says."


http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-uscons303393636jul30,0,3593096.story?coll=ny-nationalnews-headlines
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 05:51 AM
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1. You gotta wonder what Bible they "read"
Since America isn't mentioned in any of the translations I've perused. And they seem to forget that while God blessed Israel, He also required them to follow His ways, which they often didn't, and so Israel was punished quite severely.

But these folks don't bother about that. My husband, who is a mechanic, took a car belonging to a fundementalist out on a test drive to check computer codes. There was a tape in the deck, and he listened to it. A preacher read a passage from the Bible, THEN told the congregation what it meant. All well and good, but my husband said what the preacher told them had NOTHING to do with the passage! I'm sure many of the fundementalists foaming at the mouth fanatics are the type who really don't read the Bible for themselves but listen to interpretations given them by power hungry "ministers".

Another interesting thing I've heard about this great love affair between the fundementalists and Zionists. The fundementalists want things to go really bad in Israel so the Rapture will come, and Jesus will demand the Jews convert or go to hell.
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-07-03 11:50 AM
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8. The Fundamentalist Christians want EVERYONE dead.
First the Muslims, then the Jews.
That is why they are trying so desperately to instigate an all out war between the two. Arabs and Jews used to get along very well until 1947. Why they even got kicked out of Spain together by the so-called-Christians who were running the Inquisition.
After those two kill each other off, the Twice-Born will focus their agenda on the Africans, the Asians and everyone who is not milk-white.

The Middle East Conflict - Has it Been Engineered by Extremist Rightwing Christians and Zionists Hoping to "Force" the "Rapture"?
http://www.unknownnews.net/cdd040302.html
It's been on the horizon, looming out there in such a way that you didn't really pay attention to it. You knew it was coming, but other issues, such as plagues, judgments, and survival got in the way. The other issues are now history, and the next thing on the calendar is the end of the world.
http://www.tylwythteg.com/enemies/lahaye.html
Depending on when you read this article, you may have heard people say, "Because we've missed the rapture, we are lost forever." That assumption is totally wrong! The only way you can find yourself eternally lost is by receiving the Mark of the Beast on your right hand or forehead. Barring that, as long as you have breath in your lungs, you can gain salvation by trusting in Jesus Christ as your Savior.
http://www.raptureready.com/rap49.html

These people honestly believe that after they convince the Jews to rebuild the Temple Mount and the Jews begin their animal sacrifices there, the anti-christ (who is the person that the Jews call their messiah) will arrive on earth. The Fundies believe that Jews are the spawn of Satan, hence their blantant hatred of them.
http://www.hollandsentinel.com/stories/011799/new_flawell.html

However, since it appears that the Christ will not return to earth until after the anti-christ establishes a New World Order that spans the entire planet and is headquartered in Jerusalem, the Fundies are doing EVERYTHING possible to bring about the Kingdom of the anti-christ. They call this doing "the Lord's Work."
http://slate.msn.com/id/17513/

The Fundies think that Jesus will be happy with them for enslaving the world to Satan (thus preparing the way for the coming of their own Lord and Master) and will snatch them up into his Kingdom since they are Born-Again.
http://www.leftbehind.com/channelaudio.asp?channelID=156

Apparently being double-agents is OK in their book. Once Jesus evacuates them (the rapture) almost all the Jews will die. Most of those left behind will suffer greatly while the fundies watch from their balcony seats and eat their heavenly popcorn.
http://www.raptureletters.com/

The Jews are expressly forbidden from going up to and walking around the Temple Mount by YHWH himself. The Head Rabbis of Israel admit to this despite considerable pressure from outside.
http://www.jcpa.org/jpsr/s99-yc.htm

Sharon commited a sin and a crime against YHWH when he went there in 2000, thus sparking the second intifada and look at what YHWH has been doing to Israel since. Sharon's stupid Likudniks follow his lead. Then they turn around and try to blame the Palestinans for the mess they themselves create.
http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/326404.html
http://www.islamicparty.com/textonly/textpalestine.htm
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:57 PM
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10. thanks for this collection of articles
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bodhisattava Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 07:27 AM
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2. Does God bless Hindus, Buddhists, Nuslims etc.?
Unless God is a PNAC follower, how does one explain that there are are more Buddhists and Hindus than all Jews and Christians combined? Are they all (Indians, Chinese, Japanese,Koreans, Malaysians,Indonesians and countless others)non entities because they are not part of the biblical prophesies?

Would like somebody to explain what happens to us poor benighted souls when the Christians and Jews acheive their perfect Judaeo-Christian paradise on earth?
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 08:18 AM
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3. Please don't include Jews
in your diatribe.

Jews do not proselytize. They do not believe people of other faiths will burn in hell or any of that other crap.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 10:54 AM
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4. Most don't...
but there are funademntalist Jews as much as there are fundamentalist Muslims and Christians.
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Lurking Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 11:17 AM
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5. But as a Jew you know
that proselytizing and hell are not part of the belief system no matter which end of the spectrum they are on.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 12:17 PM
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6. As I Jew I know...
that racism is as intact in the Jewish community as in any other.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-02-03 01:14 PM
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7. Fuck those morons!
The American Taliban are the same type of sectarian ideologues that are the Afghan Taliban and the Saudi Wahabis.

These are the same Apostles of Hatred and Intolerance that hate gays, outspoken women of color (Cynthia McKinney, et al), progressives, and religious liberals of any stripe.

Just as the rightwing pukes wrap themselves in the American flag and hold "Support the Troops" rallies to whip popular support for Bush's criminal invasion and occupation of Iraq, the American Taliban wrap themselves in the Israeli flag to lure unsuspecting Jews to their false and anti-semitic fundamentalist Christian ideology.
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Wonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 04:59 PM
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11. Well said!
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mecca Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-08-03 03:08 PM
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9. of course!
The Christian Right enjoys seeing the oppression and misery of Arab peoples, so of course they will cheer for Israel.
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SyracuseDemocrat Donating Member (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-09-03 10:19 PM
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13. I remember learning about the crusades
Edited on Sat Aug-09-03 10:19 PM by SyracuseDemocrat
in high school. The Muslims conquered the Christians there and ran the cities. The Muslims were very kind to the Jews and let them worship and work as they pleased. Then the Crusaders came in and wreaked havoc.
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loquat Donating Member (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-10-03 01:10 AM
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14. THE SHAME OF THE PLO
The Massacre and Destruction of Damour

Damour lay across the Sidon - Beirut highway about 20 km south of Beirut on the slopes of a foothill of the Lebanon range. On the other side of the road, beyond a flat stretch of coast, is the sea. It was a town of some 25,000 people, containing five churches, three chapels, seven schools, private and public, and one public hospital where Muslims from near by villages were treated along with the Christians, at the expense of the town.

On 9 January 1976, three days after Epiphany, the priest of Damour Father Mansour Labaky, was carrying out a Maronite custom of blessing the houses with holy water. As he stood in front of a house on the side of the town next to the Muslim village of Harat Na’ami, a bullet whistled past his ear and hit the house. Then he heard the rattle of machine-guns. He went inside the house, and soon learned that the town was surrounded. Later he found out by whom and how many — the forces of Sa’iqa, consisting of 16,000 Palestinians and Syrians, and units of the Mourabitoun and some fifteen other militias, reinforced by mercenaries from Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan and a contingent of Libyans.

Father Labaky telephoned the Muslim sheikh of the district and asked him, as a fellow religious leader, what he could do to help the people of the town. ‘I can do nothing,’ he was told ‘They want to harm you. It is the Palestinians. I cannot stop them.'

While the shooting and some shelling went on all day, Father Labaky telephoned a long list of people, politicians of both the Left and the Right, asking for help. They all said with apologies and commiserations that they could do nothing. Then he telephoned Kamal Jumblatt, in whose parliamentary constituency Damour lay. ‘Father,’ Jumblatt said, ‘I can do nothing for you, because it depends on Yasser Arafat.’ He gave Arafat’s phone number to the priest.

An aide answered, and when he would not call Arafat himself, Father Labaky told him, ‘The Palestinians are shelling and shooting at my town. I can assure you as a religious leader, we do not want the war, we do not believe in violence.’ He added that nearly half the people of Damour had voted for Kamal Jumblatt, ‘who is backing you,’ he reminded the PLO man. The reply was, ‘Father, don’t worry. We don’t want to harm you. If we are destroying you it is for strategical reasons.’
Father Labaky did not feel that there was any less cause for worry because the destruction was for strategical reasons, and he persisted in asking for Arafat to call off his fighters. In the end the aide said that they, PLO headquarters, would ‘tell them to stop shooting’.

By then it was eleven o’clock in the evening. As the minutes passed and the shooting still went on, Father Labaky called Jumblatt again on the telephone and told him what Arafat’s aide had said. Jumblatt’s advice was that the priest should keep trying to make contact with Arafat, and call other friends of his, ‘because’, he said, ‘I do not trust him’.

At about half-past eleven the telephone, water and electricity were all cut off. The first invasion of the town came in the hour after midnight, from the side where the priest had been shot at earlier in the day. The Sa’iqa men stormed into the houses. They massacred some fifty people in the one night. Father Labaky heard screaming and went out into the street. Women came running to him in their nightdresses, ‘tearing their hair, and shouting “They are slaughtering us!” The survivors, deserting that end of the town, moved into the area round the next church. The invaders then occupied the part of the town they had taken. Father Labaky describes the scene:
'In the morning I managed to get to the one house despite the shelling to bring out some of the corpses. And I remember something which still frightens me. An entire family had been killed, the Can’an family, four children all dead, and the mother, the father, and the grandfather. The mother was still hugging one of the children. And she was pregnant. The eyes of the children were gone and their limbs were cut off. No legs and no arms. It was awful. We took them away in a banana truck. And who carried the corpses with me? The only survivor, the brother ofthe man. His name is Samir Can’an. He carried with me the remains of his brother, his father, his sister-in-law and the poor children. We buried them in the cemetery, under the shells of the PLO. And while I was burying them, more corpses were found in the street.' The town tried to defend itself. Two hundred and twenty-five young men, most of them about sixteen years old, armed with hunting guns and none with military training, held out for twelve days. The citizens huddled in basements, with sandbags piled in front of their doors and ground-floor windows. Father Labaky moved from shelter to shelter to visit the families and take them bread and milk. He went often ‘to encourage the young men defending the town’. The relentless pounding the town received resulted in massive damage. In the siege that had been established on 9 January the Palestinians cut off food and water supplies and refused to allow the Red Cross to take out the wounded. Infants and children died of dehydration. Only three more townspeople were killed as a result of PLO fire between the first night and the last day, 23 January. But on that day, when the final onslaught came, hundreds of the Christians were killed. Father Labaky goes on:
'The attack took place from the mountain behind. It was an apocalypse. They were coming, thousands and thousands, shouting ‘Allahu Akbar! God is great! Let us attack them for the Arabs, let us offer a holocaust to Mohammad ‘And they were slaughtering everyone in their path, men, women and children.'

SNIP
For the entire story
http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Parliament/2587/damour.html






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