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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:43 AM
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How is this not a act if state sponsored TERRORISM?
How is killing some guy in a wheelchair is not a state sponsored terrorist act approved by USA? How will this act be justified in the US media? Will any polititians speak out against these provocative, and inhumane acts of violence from Isreal? How will the Isreali loby spin this, and if the do, they can spin anything.

Lastly, does anyone here(USA?) care?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A14558-2004Mar22.html

GAZA CITY, March 22 -- Israeli aircraft attacked and killed Sheik Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader and founder of Hamas and Israel's top target, as he was pushed in a wheelchair from morning prayers at a Gaza City mosque early Monday, prompting condemnation across Europe and the Middle East and massive demonstrations in Gaza and the West Bank.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:45 AM
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1. It's an act of stupidity
If you're looking for accountability it won't happen. But they've made a martyr of the guy and it's only a matter of time before a fresh round of bus bombings.

So really, really, awfully shortsighted.
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:52 AM
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4. Sharon knows what he's doing.
Now he doesn't have to be serious about peace. He's insured himself cover for more atrocities to pay back for what's coming in response to assassinating the paraplegic guy.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 03:37 PM
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21. So you're saying he never wanted peace?
Or has he changed his stance recently?

I thought he originally got elected promising to make Israel more secure.

I guess America isn't the only country with a warmongering liar at the helm.

I'll be praying for the Israelis more often.
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:50 AM
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2. It all depends on how you look at it
Abbas was called a terrorist for doing literally the same thing to Leon Klinghoffer. You need to understand "media code". ALL Palestinians are terrorists. ALL Israeli's are defending their homeland.

Oh, and Rachel Corrie deserved to die because she was a "lefty".

See how easy that is?
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:08 AM
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8. Ooohhhh!
NOW it's clear! Thank you, Timbuk3. No one ever 'splained it in such clear terms before!:7


And welcome to DU! It's great to have you here! :hi:
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:55 AM
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14. That's an appalling comparison
Leon Klinghofer was an innocent. But don't let that stop you.

Yassin was a murdering scumbag in charge of the Palestinian version of Murder Inc. To capture him would have put Israelis and Palestinians at risk and set his psycho followers out kidnapping and killing in an attempt to "rescue" him from authorities.
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Timbuk3 Donating Member (727 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 06:19 PM
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23. See how it works, yet?
A 67 year old quadreplegic being wheeled out of a mosque is a "murdering scumbag".

Killing a 67 year old quadreplegic while he's being wheeled out of a mosque is a legitimate act of war.

And trials and proof of guilt are for sissies.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 11:11 AM
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15. How many Palestinians
did Leon Klinghoffer conspire to murder? In war, the enemy leaders, planners, and yes, even symbols, are legitimate targets.
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sabbat hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 07:46 PM
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24. big difference...
is that yassin was the leader of a terrorist organization, leon Klinghofer was an innocent passenger on a civilian ship. yassins being in a wheelchair is irrelevant.

should have israel assasinated him, and make him a martyr? that is open for debate.

but to compare him to an innocent civilian is ludicrious.
all palestinians are NOT terrorists repeat NOT.

but if you are a member or a leader of hamas, you belong to a terror group, thus making you a terrorist. yassin was the leader of hamas, the head terrorist.

personally, although im not sorry to see him gone, i think israel went about it in the wrong way, endangering civilians coming out of the mosque at the same time as yassin.

peace
david
:hippie:


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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:51 AM
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3. "Sponsored" implies someone else than the referred entity does the deed...
Edited on Mon Mar-22-04 09:52 AM by JCCyC
I'd scrap that word, the other two describe what happened rather well.

Edit: typos (or is that typoes?)
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 09:53 AM
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5. If Israel does it, it's
okay, because it's an "act against terrorism", or a "defense against terrorism", therefore, there's no accountability asked or received. But if it's anything a Palestinian does, it's automatically "terrorism", no matter what. There, now, see how easy that is?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:04 AM
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6. Its entirely wrong this state execution policy.
There is not doubt to that acting outside law, to murder people
undermines the legitimacy of government and its right to rule.

It is deeply disturbing. Were I president, Israel would be divorced
and isolated for doing this, losing all aid, and cooperation in its
military objectives.

But probably the bush people figure that israel
is gonna get nuked anyways in their war plans... so WTF, why worry
about what they say. They'll be exterminated by a nuclear war
soon enough, and then bush's rule on the world will be absolute
and people will pray to him as a god.

All forms of worship will be banned, and people will come by the
millions to wash bush's feet and come in to the arms of the lord
or be sacrificed as heathens.

:-) varoom!
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Proudlib Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:07 AM
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7. What's The Title To That Rolling Stones Song?
Oh yeah, "Sympathy For The Devil".

This "guy in a wheelchair" is directly responsible for the savage, barbaric killing of innocent Israelis.

Had we assasinated Hitler in WWII and this forum been around, I wonder if y'all would have denounced it as the terrorist killing of some guy with a silly mustache.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:18 AM
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10. why not arrest the man and put him on trial like any civilized country?

Not like the man can run away? They obviously knew where he was to shoot a rocket at him. No matter how evil this man may have been, we will now never know because there was no trial, just an execution.

How is this not terrorism too?
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Proudlib Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:23 AM
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11. Trail?
The man was the leader of an organization that has barbarically murdered hundreds of innocent Israelis. Perhaps if the sheik had been a civilized person and not the leader of one of the most vicious terrorist organizations in the world, he would have been treated with civility.

Care to state what line of defense you'd have taken if you were is lawyer? This should be fun to read.
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oc2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:31 AM
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12. guilty or inocent is up to the jury.

You realy can not argue the man did not deserve a trial, even the Natzi's where given trial and then hung. If you argue that he did not deserve even a trial, then who gets to decide who lives and dies. Who? Why is it any different than another terrorist activity as the one this Yassin was involved in.
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forgethell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 11:13 AM
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16. This was not an arrest,
but a military strike. You don't have a trial before striking the enemie's military and political leadership when you are at war. Would you object to assassinating Hitler in WW2? This guy was about as bad, IMO
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DenverDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:52 AM
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13. And what Sharon does is what?
Talk about sympathy for the devil.

Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 10:12 AM
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9. I see whereTony Blairhas condemmed it.
Have we heard from George Christ yet?
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 11:42 AM
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17. how many suicide bombings will this act help to deter?
How many suicide bombings will this act encourage?
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 01:15 PM
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19. Ernst Stavlo Blofeld, at your service
I'm terribly sorry, but being in a wheelchair doesn't negate an arch-terrorist's need for hot lead.
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John BigBootay Donating Member (574 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 02:01 PM
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20. Pro-Palestinians: Try and answer this question--
If Israel just up and decided not to retaliate or carry out tactical actions against the PA leadership-- would the Palestinian terror actions stop???

If the PA stopped the terror bombings and requested a truce, would Israel stop it's actions?

You know the answer to these questions.

If you have the courage to admit the answer here, you are on the way toward knowing the vast, cavernous difference between the PA and Israel.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 04:53 PM
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22. Because...
the guy in the wheelchair was a mass-murdering terrorist.

I don't think his assasination was a smart move, but it was certainly not terrorism.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 07:54 PM
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25. As far as I'm concerned, Israel no longer has any legitimacy
I used to believe peace was obtainable, but no longer.

Israel no longer deserves to exist as a nation in my opinion. The United States should immediately cut all ties and let them stand (or rightfully fall) on their own.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 08:00 PM
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26. The US has committed more crimes than Israel has...
and is responsible for far more innocent deaths.

Do you support its right to exist?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 08:10 PM
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27. If there was war in the streets with Native Americans
no, I would not support the right of the U.S. to exist.
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Darranar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 08:13 PM
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28. Even ignoring that, the US has STILL committed more crimes...
than Israel.

"We" are currently at war with religious extremists angry over US foreign policy in the Middle East, one place where US war crimes are stacked rather high. So, once again, do you support the right of the US to exist?
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 08:16 PM
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29. Strawman
Sorry, I don't play in logical fallacies.
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undergroundrailroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-22-04 08:35 PM
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30. Locking per I/P Guidelines
Caption in article does not match subject heading in post.

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