The only solution for Palestine

[dudeness]

Even if Ariel Sharon's men do succeed in eliminating the entire Hamas leadership, the suicide bombings and rocket attacks on Israel will continue and perhaps intensify. No doubt the classic texts of counter-insurgency advise that resistance is best crushed by eliminating its leaders. But the textbooks do not consider the despair of an entire people suffering under an occupation which makes itself tangible daily - through security fences, checkpoints, ditches and sensors, alongside seizures of water supplies, olive groves and grazing land - and which makes not the smallest effort to buy off a section of the occupied population. Nor do the textbooks consider a resistance movement that minimises its logistic and organisational problems by using the bodies of its soldiers as its chief explosive weapon.


snip..http://www.newstatesman.com/nsleader.htm

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[dudeness]

2. um..ok dude..

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[bluesoul]

3. Nuke?

I hope YOU are kidding. If not.... :scared:

[shekina]

9. yup

just kidding. I'm not a repulican, I would rather use brains than bombs to solve a problem

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[Heyo]

4. I'ts...

.. a downward spiraling cycle....


The suicide bombings made the conditions of the occupation much worse....

... the conditions being worse makes Hamas send more suicide bombings....

which make the conditions worse.....

There are many Palestinians living in Israel proper, who want nothing to do with the extremist factions.. who have pretty sweet live....

They all could have it that way if they'd renounce murdering people..

Heyo

[Feanorcurufinwe]

5. MUST READ

http://www.newstatesman.com/nsleader.htm

[Muddleoftheroad]

6. Those borders will not work

We are past that stage. Israel will get Jerusalem as part of any settlement and the Palestinians have already declared they want more than those borders as well -- expecting some sort of corridor connecting Gaza and the West Bank.

And that doesn't solve the problem of terror that this article glosses over as a minority of Palestinians who favor destroying Israel entirely.

Until the Palestinians address their own concerns and give up on the right of return and actually decide to fight terror, there will be no peace.

[bluesoul]

7. You repeating that the Palestinians

should give up something for exchange of nothing won't work. No matter how much you wish that. If they give up something, considering how much Israel already gained at their expense, there will have to be compensations (land, money) for them. Eastern Jerusalem being one of them...

[Muddleoftheroad]

8. Compensation

The final agreement will be complex as Geneva showed because of water rights, air rights, travel, etc.

However, right now the Palestinians have nada and they are dealing from a position of weakness. Flat out, they won't get everything they want, but they will get a state, which should be their first priority.

As for compensation, it should come from the Arab nations in return for their ethnic cleaning of hundreds of thousands of Jews.

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

12. Compensation

they are dealing from a position of weakness

Might makes right eh? Whatever happened to justice? Or do you consider it anti-semitic to ask? :puke:

As for compensation, it should come from the Arab nations in return for their ethnic cleaning of hundreds of thousands of Jews

What ethnic cleansing?
Are we talking about Israel's Operation Magic Carpet here?

[Muddleoftheroad]

13. Justice

Justice for both sides involves compromise, something clearly Arafat has been unwilling to do.

Ultimately, neither side is likely to agree with any agreement. However, the No. 1 the Palestinians wish is a state. The only way that will happen is with Israeli help. They won't get everything.

As for your other comment about ethnic cleansing. Quick, how many Jews now live in the Arab world? How many live in the PA controlled areas of the West Bank and Gaza?

Wonder why...

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

14. Justice

Justice for both sides involves compromise, something clearly Arafat has been unwilling to do.

He was willing to give up all the land stolen by Israel in the 1948 war. Now that's a compromise! I think he and Barak should both have given just a little more ground, although with Israel furiously building more colonies and the PLO using terror I think the trust was wearing thin.

Quick, how many Jews now live in the Arab world? How many live in the PA controlled areas of the West Bank and Gaza?

Wonder why...

Bribery is why. Cash grants and free stolen land in Israel.

But still other tens of thousands of Jews live in Arab lands, evidently in preference to Israel.

Wonder why...

[Muddleoftheroad]

15. Where are those tens of thousands?

Here is a worldwide survey of Jewish residents. Where are all those Jews who are living in the Arab world?

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/100/concepts/demography/demtables.html#6...

[Aussie_Hillbilly]

17. Syria and Iran, mostly

http://www.worldtrek.org/odyssey/mideast/042200/042200monjews.html
http://www.bintjbeil.com/articles/en/021016_arabjews.html

Census reports say 8,000 in Arab League, 450,000 in Iran (with two million Arabs). There are more who don't identify as such in the census.

The crimes of some their (ostensible) co-religionists in Israel must make things difficult for them, but I greatly admire their determination to remain. Not that I would want to live in Israel either.

Your source denies their existence. Perhaps it has an agenda?

[Muddleoftheroad]

18. 450,000? LOL

Sure. I believe that one. Funny how world Jewish authorities don't.

So, let's forget Iran for a second and focus in on 8,000 for the entire Arab League. While more than Jewish estimates, it's still ridiculously low enough to comment since almost all of those Jews would be in Morocco and Tunisia. Where are those in other nations?

Frankly, where are those in the West Bank and Gaza?

[Darranar]

10. Excellent article...

thanks for posting.

[Rhiannon12866]

11. Of course it will. Anyone can be assassinated and will be replaced

What needs to happen is a true and sincere implementation of the "road map" to peace, which may or may not work, but that's all we have, for the moment. There has been no sincere attempt to even address this, despite all its hype. The Bush* administration, unlike Clinton or Carter, has no agenda here. It is not part of their game plan, despite bombings and deaths and shootings everyday. They just seem, inexplicably, capable of ignoring it. The people who live here are desperate for peace. We need to elect an administration who cares about this and can assist them in accomplishing this. I just hope it's not already too late.