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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 04:47 AM Original message |
Survey: Many Arabs miffed with life in Israel |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 06:38 AM Response to Original message |
1. what can be expected |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 06:48 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Deleted message |
ET Awful (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 06:57 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Well said CL |
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drdon326 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. "32% expect "increased Palestinian emigration from Israel". |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:12 AM Response to Reply #5 |
10. You mean reservation right? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:00 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Historical facts |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:06 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. They had their government taken from them by Turks and the Brits |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-04 11:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
41. You Will Have A Very Hard Time, Ma'am |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Are you talking autonomous or outright self-rule? |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 10:36 AM Response to Reply #42 |
50. Outright Self-Rule, Sir |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:49 AM Response to Reply #41 |
46. So, they were conquered by other people |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. Indeed, Ma'am |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 04:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. They have never been allowed to have their own government |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #52 |
71. That Is An Extraordinary Statement, Ma'am |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 06:59 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I think you've forgotten something.... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:12 AM Response to Reply #54 |
61. When attacks followed |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:01 AM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Huh? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. Jerusalem in Arab hands |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. There was no Israel when the UN announced partition... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 06:58 AM Response to Reply #69 |
75. That's true, and also... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #75 |
97. Your claims |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #69 |
96. The Mandate |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. I said no such thing. |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:17 PM Response to Reply #61 |
70. That is only a partial accounting of the timeline |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:13 AM Response to Reply #70 |
77. Going off on a slight tangent here... |
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Lithos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 12:00 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. There is a lot of room for fudging when they left |
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The Magistrate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 08:19 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. In Reply To Your No. 54 Above, Ms. Crumble |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:08 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. I wouldn't disagree with you on that one... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:24 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Interesting... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 06:57 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And how do you come to that conclusion? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. A small minority |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Only because Palestinians don't count either n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:19 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Deleted message |
Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:57 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Good point! Glad you caught it. n/t |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 10:18 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I read your opinion |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 03:27 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. What don't you agree with? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 10:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
38. A bi-national state |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. It's not the same at all... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 03:43 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. "idealogical level..." |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 04:33 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Pre-state days? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:22 AM Response to Reply #58 |
62. A state of war |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:06 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. There was no democracy under the British Mandate... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. A bit of history |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 10:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
73. That was my point |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:20 AM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Yr the one who brought up democracy in pre-state days... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:30 AM Response to Reply #78 |
86. Holy sites |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 07:20 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. Jerusalem... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 08:01 AM Response to Reply #90 |
93. To clarify |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 08:15 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Why are you clarifying something that wasn't at issue? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 12:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
88. Democracy pre-state |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 07:28 AM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Uh, post#58? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 07:55 AM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Correction |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 08:07 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. Another correction... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 02:21 PM Response to Reply #94 |
99. Then for more on that |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
21. A one-state solution is a per se rejection |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 03:28 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Why do you think... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 04:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Should I have mentioned |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 04:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. And the five million Jews of Israel? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 05:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Depends on how they structure it, |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 05:15 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. A worthy point... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. The real question |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 09:49 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. How do you know that that would be required? n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
44. Not at all... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 03:10 AM Response to Reply #44 |
74. To make it democratic |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
79. Democracy doesn't seem to flourish in occupied territories... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Your scenario |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:53 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. It's the fairest solution... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 08:08 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I am loath to discuss |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 08:17 AM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Then don't discuss it... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 10:01 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Civil Rights |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:51 AM Response to Reply #21 |
47. Don't agree, since the Jews would have voting rights in that |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
14. What they think does not align with reality, present or future. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I guess you think we did the blacks a favor by taking them as |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 10:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. A red herring |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 11:02 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It has complete validity |
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Jim Sagle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I don't get where you can consture support for Jim Crow in anything I |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Jim Crow is precisely what is happening on the West Bank |
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Liberal Classic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 05:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. With all due respect |
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drdon326 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 05:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Pfffffft....thats nothing... |
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Liberal Classic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 09:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Oookay |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 08:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
48. Ok Indian Reservations, Bantustan, and Apartheid |
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number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
31. it is impossible |
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drdon326 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 08:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I read bs like this...... |
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number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 09:36 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. sorry about your jaw .... |
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DLC (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
33. Many Arabs miffed .... |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-16-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. And that justifies racism? |
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drdon326 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-04 06:50 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. And what "racism" might you be referring to ? |
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-17-04 06:54 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Racism against Arabs in Israel. n/t |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 07:45 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Racism like this? |
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number6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 05:12 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Most Excellent post Violet .... |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-19-04 07:07 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Thanks. I'd like to think it made an impression... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 04:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. He means the Hamas terrorists |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 04:42 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. So just thinking can make someone a terrorist now? |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 06:07 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Leaders who promote hatred |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 07:14 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. And Eitam was promoting hatred... |
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Gimel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-20-04 11:59 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Going by what you posted |
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Violet_Crumble (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jun-21-04 07:34 AM Response to Reply #66 |
80. What accusations? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-22-04 01:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-18-04 09:06 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. The segregationists said that about blacks |
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