Dichter: More Israelis killed, hurt in past 4 years than in previous 53

[Gimel]

The number of Israeli casualties since the start of the intifada, including both deaths and injuries, exceeds the total number of casualties due to terror attacks during the previous 53 years, Shin Bet security service chief Avi Dichter told the cabinet yesterday.

Over the last four years, Dichter said, Israel has suffered 11,356 casualties, compared to 4,319 terror-related casualties between November 1947, when the United Nations voted to establish Israel, and 2000.

Dichter noted a sharp rise in the use of women and children in terror attacks over the past few years. Some 7.8 percent of the Palestinians involved in attacks this year were women or children, up from 2.7 percent in 2001, he said. The increase indicates that the terrorist organizations are having recruitment problems and are therefore turning to weaker, more easily influenced populations, he said.

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Dichter said that some 70 percent of all suicide attacks have been foiled since January 2003, while 30 percent succeeded. In absolute terms, the security services foiled 84 suicide attacks, but 36 bombers succeeded in blowing themselves up.


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Absolute proof of need for the anti-terror wall/fence.

[Webster Green]

1. No, its absolute proof that occupation pisses people off!

C'mon already!:eyes:

[BayCityProgressive]

2. I feel for both sides

The there is a large segment of the arab world that does hate jews and no matter what Israel does they will want to drive them into the sea. At the other hand the racist occupation of Palestine by the Israeli's is uncalled for as well.

[lastknowngood]

3. So tell me again how Sherbonehead's idea of security through

strength is working so well. When will the Israelis wake up and realize that the right wing junta running there government is making them less secure just like the shrub.

[Gimel]

4. They don't need

others ignoring the facts, either. Casting blame on the victims. Peace offerings to the wind, read the article by Dennis Ross yet?

[bemildred]

6. Indeed.

Racism makes you stupid.

[Jack Rabbit]

5. Once again, ma'am

No serious persons disputes the need for a security wall or Israel's right to build one on Israeli territory.

What is disputed is the right Israel reserves for herself to build the wall in occupied territory.

[number6]

7. No, its absolute proof that occupation pisses people off!

besides stealing land and destroying their way of life.

NO JUSTICE / NO PEACE

[number6]

8. oh, btw..how many Innocent Palestinians have been killed ?

oh yea, Palestinians don't count ...:shrug:

[lefty_mcduff]

9. Was going to point this out.

Found you already had. Seems kind of obvious to me.

[Gimel]

11. It's not that

It is not saying (nor am I) that "Palestinians don't count". Many references to numbers of Palestinians killed/injured have been posted. Perhaps there is a comparison somewhere of Palestinian casualties in the past 3 years and since the establishment of the state of Israel? How many were killed in aggressive actions, and how many were innocent civilians?

You are more than welcome to post.

[Classical_Liberal]

13. How many of those included in the casualties were actually

soldiers in the occupation?

[number6]

16. its our Press (USA) that says Palestinians don't count.

I'm not saying that you are saying Palestinians don't count.

my sympathies to all the Israeli's killed by terrorist acts
and my sympathies to all Palestinians killed by reckless acts
of the IDF.

but Palestinian deaths don't carry the same weight as
Israeli, in my humble opinion (IMHO) ...(in our media)

[Darranar]

10. Another sign of the great success that is Israeli policy. n/t

[Gimel]

12. Most Israelis were killed/injured

in suicide bomb attacks. That was before the barrier was even partially completed. Since the beginning of 2004, there has been a drastic reduction in attacks.

"Another sign of the great success that is Israeli policy." The very truth.

[Classical_Liberal]

14. It would also prevent such attacks on the green line, where it belongs`

.

[Gimel]

15. Belonging

It does belong as a security measure. That is a necessity. Where EXACTLY it falls is in consideration of on the ground realities.

[number6]

17. the wall is an illusion of temporary security, built on stolen property

.keeping the boot on the back of the Palestinian neck.

oppression can never bring security

[Gimel]

18. Murders

will never win. The wall is a temporary measure, until the terrorism stops. If there is more terrorism, there will be higher walls.

[Classical_Liberal]

19. If that were true it would be in the green line.

It is on Palestinian land.

[Gimel]

21. Only partially true

Of course there are large segments of the fence on the green line.

[Classical_Liberal]

20. The ground realities are settlers where they don't belong.

That is the reality. Move them to the green line with the fence. That is what Israel would do if it wasn't just using the fence as an excuse to steal. Isreal has no right to steal as a negotiating tactic. It's theft of that land is inherantly immoral.

[Gimel]

22. The Green Line

Is not a border. There is no border.

[Classical_Liberal]

23. The Partition line is most certainly a border as recognized by

the ICJ and just about everyone else except Israel and the US. That land is occupied, and under the Geneva conventions Israel had no right to put settlers there. The West Bank isn't a part of Israel.

[Gimel]

24. The Green Line

This is an armistice line and to make it a border is to ignore all peace agreements since the Madrid Conference.

[Classical_Liberal]

25. In what way, if all of those agreements agree the land is occupied

and thus not part of Israel.