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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:14 PM
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Right Wing Fundamentalists Even Have Tin Foil about 9-11
This guy truly believes this stuff, but I am gonna go back and read it more thoroughly a second time. I am wondering about sharing my thoughts and theories on 9-11 with this person.

If you take the time to read this please post your thoughts. Thanks in advance.

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Next was extracted from the wrap up of an article written by Larry Abraham.

"We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of willing suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the good graces of Kofi Annan and the United Nations."



Now read on should you care to do so:



THE CLASH OF CIVILIZATIONS AND THE GREAT CALIPHATE by Larry Abraham,
January 29, 2004

President Bush and his administration spokesmen are not telling the American people what they really need to know about this "war." If they don't do that between now and November it may cost them the election.

The war against terror did not begin on September 11, 2001, nor will it end with the peaceful transition to civilian authority in Iraq, whenever that may be. In fact, Iraq is but a footnote in the bigger context of this encounter, but an important one none the less.

This war is what the Jihadists themselves are calling the "Third Great Jihad." They are operating within the framework of a time line which reaches back to the very creation of Islam in the seventh century and are presently attempting to recreate the dynamics which gave rise to the religion in the first two hundred years of its existence.

No religion in history grew as fast, in its infancy, and the reasons for the initial growth of Islam are not hard to explain when you understand what the world was like at the time of Muhammad's death in 632 AD. Remember that the Western Roman Empire was in ruins and the Eastern Empire, based in
Constantinople, was trying desperately to keep the power of its early grandeur while transitioning to Christianity as a de facto state religion.
The costs to the average person were large as he was being required to meet the constantly rising taxes levied by the state along with the tithes coerced by the Church.

What Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn't, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make, unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one God-Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian
Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were called "children of the book"--the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New Testaments for former Christians and Jews.

With this practical approach to spreading the "word" Islam grew like wild-fire, reaching out from the Saudi Arabian Peninsula in all directions.
This early growth is what the Muslims call the "First" great Jihad and it met with little resistance until Charles Martel of France, the father of Charlemagne, stopped them in the battle of Tours in France, after they had firmly established Islam on the Iberian Peninsula. This first onslaught against the West continued in various forms and at various times until Islam was finally driven out of Spain in 1492 at the battle of Granada.

The "Second Great Jihad" came with the Ottoman Turks. This empire succeeded in bringing about the downfall of Constantinople as a Christian stronghold and an end to Roman hegemony in all of its forms. The Ottoman Empire was Islam's most successful expansion of territory even though the religion itself had fractured into warring sects and bitter rivalries with each claiming the ultimate truths in "the ways of the Prophet". By 1683 the Ottomans had suffered a series of defeats on both land and sea and the final, unsuccessful attempt to capture Vienna set the stage for the collapse of any further territorial ambitions and Islam shrunk into various sheikhdoms, emir dominated principalities, and roving tribes of nomads.
However, by this time a growing anti-western sentiment, blaming its internal failures on anyone but themselves, was taking hold and setting the stage for a new revival known as Wahhabism, a sect which came into full bloom under the House of Saud on the Arabian Peninsula shortly before the onset of WWI.
It is this Wahhabi version of Islam which has infected the religion itself, now finding adherents in almost all branches and sects, especially the Shiites.

Wahhabiism calls for the complete and total rejection or destruction of anything and everything which is not based in the original teachings of The Prophet and finds its most glaring practice in the policies of the Afghani Taliban or the Shiite practices of the late Ayatollah Khomeini in Iran. Its Ali Pasha (Field Marshall) is now known as Osama bin Laden, the leader of the "Third Jihad", who is Wahhabi as were his 9/11 attack teams, 18 of which were also Saudi.

The strategy for this "holy war" did not begin with the planning of the destruction of the World Trade Center. It began with the toppling of the Shah of Iran back in the late 1970's. With his plans and programs to "westernize" his country, along with his close ties to the U.S. and subdued acceptance of the State of Israel, the Shah was the soft target. Remember "America Held Hostage"?

Thanks, in large part to the hypocritical and disastrous policies of the Jimmy Carter State Department, the revolution was set into motion, the Shah was deposed, his armed forces scattered or murdered and stage one was complete. The Third Jihad now had a base of operations and the oil wealth to support its grand design or what they call the "Great Caliphate".

What this design calls for is the replacement of all secular leadership in any country with Muslim majorities. This would include, Egypt, Turkey, Pakistan, Indonesia, all the Emirates, Sudan, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Yemen, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Malaysia, Indonesia and finally what they call the "occupied territory" Israel.

As a part of this strategy, forces of the jihad will infiltrate governments and the military as a prelude to taking control, once the secular leadership is ousted or assassinated. Such was the case in Lebanon leading to the Syrian occupation and in Egypt with the murder of Anwar Sadat, along with the multiple attempts on the lives of Hussein in Jordan, Mubarak of Egypt and Musharraf in Pakistan. Pakistan is a particular prize because of its nuclear weapons. (Please note al Qaeda call for the Islamic-militant overthrow of Musharraf in Pakistan on March 25, just yesterday.)

The long-range strategy of the Third Jihad counts on three strategic goals. First, the U.S. withdrawing from the region just as it did in Southeast Asia, following Vietnam. Second, taking control of the oil wealth in the Muslim countries, which would be upwards to 75% of known reserves; third, using nuclear weapons or other WMDs to annihilate Israel. A further outcome of successfully achieving these objectives would be to place the United Nations as the sole arbiter in East/West negotiations and paralyze
western resistance, leading to total withdrawal from all Islamic dominated countries
Evidence of the Bush Administration awareness of this plan is found in the events immediately following the 9/11 attack. The administration's first move was to shore up Pakistan and Egypt, believing that these two would be the next targets for al Qaeda, while Americans focused on the disaster in New York. The administration also knew that the most important objective was to send a loud and clear message that the U.S. was in the region to stay, not only to shore up our allies but to send a message to the Jihadists.

The attack on Afghanistan was necessary to break-up a secure al Qaeda base of operations and put their leadership on the run or in prison.

The war in Iraq also met a very strategic necessity in that no one knew how much collaboration existed between Saddam Hussein and the master planners of the Third Jihad or Hussein's willingness to hand off WMDs to terrorist groups including the PLO in Israel. What was known were serious indications of on-going collaboration as Saddam funneled money to families of suicide bombers attacking the Israelis and others in Kuwait.

What the U.S. needed to establish was a significant base of operations smack dab in the middle of the Islamic world, in a location which effectively cut it in half. Iraq was the ideal target for this and a host of other strategic reasons.

Leadership of various anti-American groups both here and abroad understood the vital nature of the Bush initiative and thus launched their demonstrations, world-wide, to "Stop The War". Failing this, they also laid plans to build a political campaign inside the country, with the War in Iraq as a plebiscite, using a little known politician as the thrust point--Howard Dean. This helps to explain how quickly the Radical Left moved into the Dean campaign with both people and money, creating what the clueless media called the "Dean Phenomenon".

By building on the left-wing base in the Democrat party and the "Hate Bush" crowd, the campaign has already resulted in a consensus among the aspirants, minus Joe Lieberman, to withdraw the U.S. from Iraq and turn the operation over to the U.N. And, if past is prologue, i.e., Vietnam, once the U.S. leaves it will not go back under any circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel.

Should George W. Bush be defeated in November we could expect to see the dominoes start to fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations, predicted several years ago by Samuel Huntington, would then become a life changing event in all of our lives.

What surprised the Jihadists following the 9/11 attack was how American sentiment mobilized around the president and a profound sense of patriotism spread across the country. They were not expecting this reaction, based on what had happened in the past, nor were they expecting the determined resolve of the President himself. I also believe this is one of the reasons we have not had any further attacks within our borders. They are content to wait, just as one of their tactical mentors; V.I. Lenin admonished..."two steps forward, one step back".

A couple additional events serve as valuable footnotes to the current circumstances we face: the destruction of the human assets factor of the CIA during the Carter presidency, presided over by the late Senator Frank Church. This fact has plagued our intelligence agencies right up to this very day with consequences which are now obvious. And, Jimmy Carter himself, the one man who must bear the bulk of the responsibility for setting the stage of the Third Jihad. Americans should find little comfort in how the Democrat contenders constantly seek the "advice and counsel" of this despicable little hypocrite.

Lastly, we should not expect to see any meaningful cooperation from Western Europe, especially the French. Since failing to protect their own interests in Algeria (by turning the country over to the first of the Arab terrorists, Ammad Ben Bella), the country itself is now occupied by Islamic immigrants totaling twenty percent of the population.

We are in the battle of our lives, a battle which will go on for many years possibly even generations. If we fail to understand what we are facing or falter in the challenge of "knowing our enemy" the results will be catastrophic. Imagine a world where al Qaeda regimes control 75% of the world's oil, have at their disposal nuclear weapons, legions of willing suicide soldiers, and our national survival is dependent on the good graces of Kofi Annan and the United Nations.

There is one final footnote which may be the scariest of all. Either none of the Democrats currently leading the drive to their party's nomination are aware of the facts of the Great Caliphate and Third Jihad or they do know and they don't care so long as their power lust is satisfied. But, I can guarantee you one thing for sure: some of their most ardent supporters are aware of this and will do anything they can to bring it about.

***************************End of Report***************************************

Note....this was written before John Kerry had the nomination sewed up...but recent events clearly demonstrate that Kerry is going to fulfill Abraham's prediction of the Democrats calling for the UN and the French/Germans/Spain coalition to force the US out of Iraq. Also understand that the current 9/11 hearings are a political show, and Clarke's book were timed for these hearings and the campaign. And this is why Condoleezza Rice is seeking a private meeting with this commission to tell it like it is. The national security issues involved around 9/11 cannot be an open book to the public, and I believe we have to understand that.

This is scary stuff. President Bush and the Republicans are obviously extremely cautious in bringing this issue to the campaign because the left-leaning media and the Kerry Democratic left would call this racist against Islam and a distraction for the alleged lies of WMD and our reasons for going into Iraq. Bush correctly referred to the axis of evil (Iran, Libya, Iraq and North Korea) as a pointed strategy to blunt the
WMD-terrorist movement and he has been very successful in thwarting al Qaeda, despite what everyone on the left says. We are far better off without the threat from Iraq and Libya -- all within the last 12 months. We are threatened in Pakistan and if Musharraf is assassinated (it's been tried several times in the past year), we can see how the militants will gain control of Pakistan's nuclear weapons, which have already spread to Iran (by a militant Islamic scientist) and if Musharraf is taken out we have both Iran and Pakistan as militant Islamic power bases armed with nuclear weapons. And let's not overlook Abraham's issue about the potential for militant Islamic states who would control 75% of the world's oil.

This probably why Dick Cheney, Rice, Powell, and Wolfowitz are so committed to the belief that we are in this struggle for the free world as we have known it and focused on defeating the militant Islamic al Qaeda's global strategy. They skirt the core issues raised by Abraham in this article because of the political-correctness implications, but after reading this, you understand what is at stake here. Kerry and the liberal Democrats want control of Washington at any price. Abraham clearly spells out what price that is: Victory for al Qaeda and the Islamic militancy.

Abraham's article brought all of these issues together and why it is important for us to gain this perspective and educate our friends and associates.

This is a deeply impressive, cogent, and intelligent overview of the militant Islamic movement. Pass on Abraham's article to those who have a need to know, which is just about everybody.


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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:24 PM
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1. This report is false and leaves out details
1. Conversion or the Sword is not true - Only a few if any Muslim invaders did this tactic. Most actually respected the beliefs of the people already there.

2. Islam was driven out of Spain in 1492, by use of Genocide.

3. These beliefs about Islam sound a lot like the beliefs of the people in the Free Congress Foundation. And the FCF has racists, anti-Semites, Pinochet supporters, so I think you can tell their view about Islam is pretty biased.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:33 PM
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2. Or maybe not.
Sounds like a nice Republican fantasy piece.

So why did Bush take out the most viable secular government in the ME?

Why isn't Bush making his case in the UN, if this is such an international threat?

Why is Bush and Big Oil working hand-in-glove with the Sauds?

Why did Bush allow the field marshall's family safe passage out of this country after 9/11?

Why did Bush bankrupt us with taxcuts for the rich, when our Treasury could have been spent weaning us from ME oil?

Why did we let the AQ/Pakistani ISI have safe passage out of Afghanistan?

No, Mr. Abraham is towing a revisionist world view, designed to help make us so fearful that we'll allow the Republicans to maintain power and destroy this country while pretending to keep us "safe".
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phaseolus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:47 PM
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3. he's pretty ignorant if he's blaming Carter...
As I remember things, Shah Reza Pahlavi was as bad a tyrant as Saddam Hussein ever was, with a secret police apparatus that tortured many Iranians. Thing is, the U.S. installed him a couple decades before, just to get a sweet deal for some oil companies. The popular leader the Shah replaced was generally pro-western, too.
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Toby109 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 09:51 PM
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4. Not to nitpick or anything but
Edited on Tue Aug-10-04 09:53 PM by Toby109
"Should George W. Bush be defeated in November we could expect to see the dominoes start to fall in the secular Islamic countries and The Clash of Civilizations, predicted several years ago by Samuel Huntington, would then become a life changing event in all of our lives."

"And, if past is prologue, i.e.,Vietnam, once the U.S. leaves it will not go back under any circumstances, possibly even the destruction of Israel."
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DulceDecorum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-10-04 11:22 PM
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5. Islamists who have NEVER read the Koran
and do not speak Arabic
are barely worthy of our contempt.

First of all,
let us look at the bio of the person who wrote
this piece which is unworthy of ever glimpsing a caged bird's rear end.

Born in Washington State in 1937, Larry Abraham attended prep school in Tacoma, Washington and college in Spokane and Tacoma, Washington, majoring in History and Pre-Law. After studying correspondence Law from LaSalle University, he chose to join his father in the family plywood business until it was sold in 1961.
After a brief career working in TV and radio in Seattle area, Mr. Abraham was appointed Executive Secretary of the Washington State Young Republican Federation, a post he held for three years. After leaving to help form the Draft Goldwater Movement in his home state, Mr. Abraham became a widely recognized and popular speaker on college campuses across the region on the topic, “Why I am No Longer A Liberal.”
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=+site:www.freerepublic.com+THE+CLASH+OF+CIVILIZATIONS+AND+THE+GREAT+CALIPHATE+

The part that grabs me is the taxes.

" What Islam offered was the "carrot or the sword". If you became a convert, your taxes were immediately eliminated, as was your tithe. If you didn't, you faced death. The choice was not hard for most to make, unless you were a very devoted martyr in the making. At the beginning, even the theology was not too hard for most to swallow, considering that both Jewry and Christianity were given their due by the Prophet. There is but one God-Allah, and Muhammad is His Prophet, as was Jesus, and the pre-Christian
Jewish prophets of the Torah (Old Testament). Both were called "children of the book"--the book being the Koran, which replaced both the Old and New Testaments for former Christians and Jews. "

What has happened is this.
Sharia law outlaws the charging of interest for a loan.
This means that the Western bankers are screwed royally because all over the world, the Muslims
A) have been avoiding putting their money in Western banks
B) have set up an international banking cartel that is promoting the gold dinar
C) are moving their money into these Sharia Banks.

Why do you think that interest rates are low these days?
Islam, that is why.
And THAT is why we keep hearing that Islam and Muslims in general, are a threat to the world
(banking cartels who oppress entire continents.)
Mr Larry Abrahams is well aware of these decvelopments.

When it comes to monetary policy and its effects, Wall Street almost always gets it totally wrong, or in this case half wrong. Bonds are a “dead man walking” for any investor in an inflationary scenario, but gold is the real safe haven. The orthodox opinion is that when interest rates rise, people will lose interest in gold. This is only true if they rise a little bit but totally false if they rise a lot. In the late 70’s when prime rates were at 20 %. Gold was going to $850.00 an ounce.
http://www.insiderreport.net/sample_gold.html

3.Q.Why are European Central banks selling gold?
A. This is being done on direction from the Euro Central Bank as a way to improve reserves without selling dollars. They did not want the euro to rise higher against the dollar so had to stop selling dollars and their only alternative is to sell gold.
4.Q Why did the Rothschild Bank get out of the gold bullion business?
A. There is no money to be made any more in the market making role they occupied and a huge risk of being an industry short. I also suspect they are concerned about being linked to the charges being bantered around in the court system, of being a part of the “conspiracy” to suppress gold prices. There is one more potential problem and that is having huge Arab private accounts who almost always want to own gold. For the worlds oldest and biggest Jewish banker this could prove to be very dicey especially if some of these Arabs want to liquidate positions and move their money into non traceable venues.
http://www.insiderreport.net/sample_metal.html

Saddam accelerated the collapse of Western banking when he asked for and received permission to bypass the US entirely in the UN Food for Oil Program and get euros in exchange for Iraqi crude.
That is why Saddam had to go.

As for Osama, the jury is still out on that one.
What we DO know for a fact is that Osama was nothing great in his family. He was son number 17 or so,
from some random woman.
Osama has about 50 siblings from his father. His mother appears to have had only one child, Osama.
Osama's father still provided for him and when he died he left Osama a small inheritance. Osama received more money that John Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr and John-John's mother was a Bouvier, his father was a Kennedy and his step-father was Onassis. John-John was LOADED. They say he worth about 100 million.
Mohammed bin Laden, like Croesus, outdid them all. Furthermore, he had many more children he liked better than Osama, and they inherited far more money than little O.

The Western bankers teetering on verge of bankruptcy, want to get their paws on the bin Laden loot. Mind you, the bin Ladens are doing OK, but they are not by any means, the richest family in Saudi Arabia.
This is the reason why the neocons keep saying that Saudi Arabia must be attacked. They want that money. And the oil. And Ishmael's inheritance.
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