Pentagon and 9/11

[Clinton Crusader]

If this has been posted somewhere, apologies, but this is a bloody fantastic piece of work.

http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon121.swf

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[hang a left]

1. You should post this in the 9-11 forum.

It will stay alive for several days and you will get lots of discussion. Both for and against this particular argument. I for one believe this theory.

[mountebank]

2. Curious - sister of Flight 77 pilot spoke at RNC convention.

Debra Burlingame, sister of Charles Burlingame, spoke on Monday at the RNC. While I agree that parts of the Pentagon story are somewhat suspicious, the conspiracy theories start to get a little incredible. According to the theory, was she an actress?

[reorg]

3. effective propaganda piece

- I particularly liked the soundtrack.


Except ... I'm not sure about the beginning. Did you catch these words? They are in German, and obviously from a recording of a Hitler speech.

While I'm all for taboo breaking irony, and even a broken clock can be right twice a day ... I would hate to see the 9/11 discussion degenerate into a Nazi revival feast. The detractors of scepticism would surely love it, though. It is so convenient to put the Nazi label on those who dare to ask questions.

The verbatim quote (original below):

"The battle of peoples and their hate against each other is cultivated by certain interested parties. It is a tiny, rootless international clique that incites peoples against each other, that does not want them to find peace.

"Der Völkerstreit und der Hass untereinander, der wird gepflegt von ganz bestimmten Interessenten. Es ist eine kleine, wurzellose internationale Clique, die die Völker gegeneinand hetzt, die nicht will, dass sie zur Ruhe kommen.

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Hitler’s published remark is ‘Es ist eine wurzellose internationale Clique, die die Völker gegeneinander hetzt’ (‘It is a rootless international clique, which incites peoples against each other’). It occurs in a speech given on 10 November 1933, and published in Völkischer Beobachter (Berlin), 11 November 1933, pp. 1–2; quotation on p. 2. The context suggests that the reference is not to Jews alone (though they are certainly included), but also to liberal intellectuals and international businessmen generally.


http://berlin.wolf.ox.ac.uk/published_works/sm/corrections.html

[MercutioATC]

4. Great presentation...it ignores a lot of contrary evidence, though.

First, wanna know how a 757 could have caused that damage? How about a report written by professional civil engineers who actually viewed the site?

http://www.pubs.asce.org/ceonline/ceonline03/0203feat.html

Eyewitness reports that would support AAL77 crashing at the Pentagon? There's a few here:

http://www.wtc-terrorattack.com/pentagon_eyewitness_accounts.htm
http://www.dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/ffdd.html
http://perso.club-internet.fr/mouv4x8/11Sept01/A0054_2_A_list_of_witness_at_or_near_Pentagon.pdf

Check out DU's 9/11 Forum for more...

[Bolo Boffin]

7. I particularly liked the bit

where the hotel employees actually watched the tape from the Sheraton yet never seemed to have spoken out against Flight 77 being the plane that hit the Pentagon.

They've never mentioned the aerial ballet which the film must have recorded if it happened. Misdirection might happen once, but five or six times, while multiple poeple are watching a video tape? Not hardly.

THe tape pulls all the old tricks out of the bag. It masks the true size of the hole by not responsibly reconstructing it from all the pictures available. It cherrypicks its eyewitness testimony. It ignores multiple reports of debris on the ground. It presents photoshopped pictures in a confusing blend with real pictures (anybody ever seen the "small plane painted like an AA jet before?).

Love the soundtrack, but the movie stunk. Maybe if I burn one, it would start to grow on me.

[MercutioATC]

9. My favorite is the "unburned book" photo we keep seeing.

That is a post-collapse picture. The collapse exposed parts of the building that hadn't been on fire, yet it's a "smoking gun" to them.

:eyes:

[Bolo Boffin]

10. Yes, that's an old trick that was debunked here way back...

That might have been covered in the old forum. I wish there were some way to search those archives.

[impe]

11. Unburned Book

I vaguely remember a news paper article that said the unburned book was a Bible. Would love to know what
book it was opened to...sounds like fire and brimstone to me.

[Bolo Boffin]

12. Really?

Wow. I'm surprised that hasn't turned up on a Falwell sermon somewhere.

[WoodrowFan]

13. it's a dictionary. (NT)

[Minstrel Boy]

5. Flight 77 Pilot Charles Burlingame helped draft the Pentagon's response

to a plane hitting the building.

Barbara Honegger:

...the main pilot of the 9-11 Pentagon plane, former Navy and then Navy Reservist pilot Charles Burlingame, had recently, in a Reserve assignment at the Pentagon, been part of a Task Force that drafted the Pentagon's emergency response plan on what to do in case a plane hit the building - which his own plane then did. It is therefore very possible - in fact extremely likely, if not certain - that this 'task force' that Flight 77 pilot "Chick" Burlingame was part of was the Cheney counterterrorism preparedness task force, and that the Pentagon plane pilot, therefore, directly knew and even worked with/for Cheney.

Burlingame's 9-11 Pentagon plane not only hit the Pentagon that morning, it struck a Command and Control center for that morning's counterterrorism "game" exercise, killing most, if not all, of the "players". We know this because Army personnel from Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey were on special duty assignment at the Pentagon that morning for an emergency response exercise and were killed when Burlingame's plane hit. Ft. Monmouth, New Jersey also happens to be the headquarters for White House/Presidential communications, including therefore probably also for Air Force One (this is discoverable) -- and recall the warning "Air Force One is next" and the 'secret code' which was called into the White House that morning which WH press secretary Ari Fleischer revealed as a means of explaining why Pres. Bush left Florida for a military base and did not return to the White House. This "warning" was probably called into the White House, if true, by either the Ft. Monmouth White House communications headquarters and/or the Ft. Monmouth counterterrorism exercise "game" players temporarily at the Pentagon that morning.

This nexus is completely and totally beyond coincidence....

http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/pen08.html

[Ameridansk]

6. WOW!

I had seen pictures from and read about the 9/11 brainstorming meeting at the Pentagon:






http://www.mdw.army.mil/news/Contingency_Planning.html

but I had no idea Burlingame was involved in it.

He wasn't working at the Pentagon, he was an airline pilot. I guess one with VERY strong ties to the Pentagon.

Thanks!

[impe]

8. Meaty Stuff

Thanks for the links!

[Slit Skirt]

14. I have seen this before

but had lost the link..........A BIG THANK YOU....INDEED IT IS A FANTASTIC PIECE OF WORK.

[RedSock]

15. error in the 1st two seconds

says the crash happened at 8:38 am.

that "attention" to detail is pathetic.