The next bombshell... will the media touch this?

[veracity]

The speech was given at the prestigious Commonwealth Club....(previous seakers were Madeline Albright and Woolsey. This is not your comedy club....it's a very straighlaced place where they only invite credible speakers. His book is coming out now....

No one in the media has touched this. Of course not. It's unpatriotic. It's also very frightening:

THE TRUTH & LIES OF 9/11 (DVD)
Tape of the Portland State University Lecture Mike Gave In November 2001!

- WITH NEW 2004 INTRODUCTION & UPDATES
by MICHAEL C. RUPPERT
- 28 Searchable Chapter Selections
for Easy Research
- Improved Color and Audio


Statement by Michael Ruppert' - I will name Richard Cheney as the prime suspect in the mass murders of 9/11 and will establish that, not only was he a planner in the attacks, but also that on the day of the attacks he was running a completely separate Command, Control and Communications system which was superceding any orders being issued by the NMCC , or the White House Situation Room.

This pioneering, groundbreaking expose of 9-11, painted a stark and accurate picture of our world today and TOMORROW. Mike's new introduction "connects the dots."

http://www.tvnewslies.org/html/truth___lies_of_9_11_video.html

[NeonLX]

1. Why would the media touch that?

It might piss off Karl Rove.

[calimary]

2. Hot Diggity-Dog! Can't wait for the book. The more people on this

side who have more credible pulpits - the BETTER. Mike Ruppert should go mainstream. I wish Joe Conason and Greg Palast and Robert Fiske could, too. And Wayne Madsen. Among others. I don't want them to stay in the little pool forever. If I had a TV network news department to staff, I'd hire those guys as on-air people.

Shoot - I'm forgetting - we have another DUer here - Paul Thompson I believe (?) who has a 9/11 timeline book just out - from some rawther large publisher. We need to support THAT one, too. Along with this one, AND Kitty Kelley's book.

(nag, nag, nag...)

[qb]

3. I heard this broadcast. Very compelling arguments.

I hope it gets as much play as Kitty Kelly's book.

[ursacorwin]

4. remember folks,

mike has been wrong once or twice in recent years. i don't doubt what he's saying in this case in any way (i've been MIHOP for years) but we have to be very careful about using mike as a source. i seriously doubt anyone will touch this without another "legitimate" source backing him up.

[toddzilla]

5. what's he been wrong about?

[veracity]

6. Mike's credibility....

If you hear the speech, you'll see that he has over a thousand footnotes. He explains, for example...giving supportive evidence - that the briefing Condy Rice finally disclosed...was not ONE and a half pages as the WH claimed. It was over a HUNDRED PAGES...of specific warnings.
There is so much. It's very frightening...and what we saw in the past three years supports everything in the speech. But, denial is protection.

[Minstrel Boy]

7. Since you brought it up,

what are these errors that are on your mind?

[Disturbed]

8. MIHOP/LITHOP

The mainstream Media considers these as nutjob rantings.

[leesa]

31. Of course they do. Their owners are part of the plan.

[demodewd]

14. "legitimate"

What's your "legitimate" source refuting Ruppert's claims("once or twice")? Or are you another hit and run artist?

[stickdog]

19. What has Mike been wrong about? Vreeland was questionable, but Mike

made that clear.

[yardwork]

9. This and Iraq are the issues that Kerry needs to hammer

I don't care if people dig up all the dirt about chimpy's past, but I don't think it will change many minds one way or the other.

National security is the issue that Kerry needs to hammer and hammer and hammer. He needs to reveal the terrible mistakes, lies, and incompetence of the chimp regime while simultaneously providing clear plans for improvement.

Kerry needs to talk about this using short sentences and small, easily understood words. Sound bites. And plans to back them up. Over and over and over and over again!

[Gasping4Truth]

10. Why I don't believe in MIHOP

is the simple fact that 15 of the 19 hijackers had Saudi passports.

PNAC was so eager to invade Iraq. If they made 9/11 happen on purpose, why didn't they bother to give their suicide squad some forged Iraqi passports? It would have made things so much easier. They could have gone directly after Saddam.

Instead of this, they went after "Clinton era foe" OBL first, then they lost track of him, then they tried to let us all forget of OBL, and finally they tried to link Iraq to 9/11 and invented "evidence" about WMD's. Which everyone with half a brain didn't buy of course.

I think 9/11 was a gift from above for them, but the evidence pointing to Afghanistan & AQ was inconvenient to them because they wanted to grab Iraqi's oil fields instead. And the mega-connection between 9/11 & SA: until today, they still pretend as if it doesn't matter - they still think we're all a bunch of idiots.

I also think MIHOP theories are somehow too flattering for the shrub misadministration, when OTOH blind ideology, incompetence and plain dumbness explain the events so much better. This explanation is also much better documented IMHO: the PNAC document, the August memo, the Clarke testimony.

[Minstrel Boy]

11. 9/11 ushered in a generational war.

It's not just about Iraq. It's about all war, all the time. If the hijackers had had Iraqi passports, what would be the benefit? The neocons have had their Iraq war, and more besides.

And don't think grabbing the Saudi fields is not in the cards down the road. Do you remember the Rand presentation to the Pentagon? Saudi Arabia is the "strategic pivot"; Iraq was only the "tactical pivot."

And when it comes the Saudis turn, we'll be hearing repeated ad nauseum how 15 of the 9/11 hijackers carried Saudi passports.

Don't make too much the "mega-connection between 9/11 & SA." It plays to the warmongers' long game. Rather, pay attention to the Pakistan connection. That's a much more closely guarded secret.

[Gasping4Truth]

12. "First we take Iraq, then ..."

The benefit of Iraqi passports would have been that while the hostile takeover of Iraqoil Inc. was ongoing, AQ would have remained unchecked, gaining more and more military power to overthrow the house of Saud eventually.

A coup d'etat attempt in SA (successful or not) would have been the ideal pretext for an American invasion (from a RW point of view, of course) there too.

But now they ended up in a situation that's totally undefendable even from a RW point of view. They can only stick to their ridiculous argument that by fighting the Iraqi people they are fighting terrorism, rather than inciting it. Admittedly, a majority of the American people still buys into this, so Cheney's strategy of eternal warfare to stay in power seems to work, even when the White House is occupied by a bunch of idiots.

A little bit of planted evidence pointing to Iraq certainly would have eased things up. There wasn't any of that, and that's why I think 9/11 caught them off guard, or they LIHOP at best.

[BeFree]

16. AQ

The Saudi passports drove the link to AQ.

And they knew that SH would make the next best bogeyman so they didn't need a direct link to him, they knew they could make one up as they went along.

Ya gotta remember, they had several years to plan this thing. And the (since) proven acceptance by the sheeple was a big part of that planning.

Just look at the hands here on DU that attempt, day after day, to explain away the best available evidence.

Don't be fooled. They are sly little boogers.

[RH]

22. passports drove the link to AQ?

How? What have passports got to do with AQ?

The link to AQ is established via Hamburg, 54 Marienstrasse and Mohammed Haydar Zammar.

[stickdog]

26. Really? And all that was established the day of 9/11?

You'd think we already had people on the case or something ...

[RH]

29. No

all that was not established the day of 9/11.

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. It was much easier to get a Saudi Passport

to the US and to travel freely here.

I don't think we were letting very many Iraqis into the country since the first Gulf War.

[demodewd]

15. IMHO

IMHO the MIHOP theories are backed by substantive photographic proof.Pictures don't lie. Incompetance and dumbness might partially explain GW but hardly the hardened NWO Elite,Intelligence and military behind the curtain pushing all the buttons.

[veracity]

17. There is substantial evidence that is credible.

There are not always photos of all events. The backgrounds, for example, of all the 9/11 Commissioners are given, in detail.. showing how EVERY single one is connected to an oil interest. That does not need photography. The explanation of the peak oil crisis is documenteed, not photographed. I have no clue what you're saying. Ruppert is not talking about incompetence...but planning and execution of plans. Don't judge before you at least READ or hear the speech. Please...for all our sakes.

[demodewd]

18. Sorry

Sorry. I didn't mean to lead you into thinking I'm not a Ruppert fan. I've been listening to a half hour interview Ruppert had with Sue Supriano. Over and over. He's the hottest thing going. Can't wait to buy Crossing the Rubicon! I was just rebuffing someone else who was poo-pooing MIHOP.

[stickdog]

20. 1) It was A LOT easier to get Saudi patsies. You think FBI underlings

could have been called off IRAQI agents as easily? And just where would we have gotten these Iraqi patsies? Ask Hussein nicely?

2) An AQ hit gave them carte blanche in the Middle East -- the neocons' wet dream. An Iraqi hit would have limited the everlasting WAR ON TERROR to a discrete war on Iraq.

[RH]

21. Nah .... easy peasy.

The USA was happy enough to entertain refugee dissidents overtly opposed to Hussein.

The cover story would only then eventually have to be that their opposition was phony, that the US was double crossed by Hussein who doesn't play fair.

For that matter that very version is possibly not so far from the truth anyway.

[stickdog]

23. OK. But without the radical fundamentalist component, how do you get

believable suicidal attacks?

[RH]

24. Since when was the multiple suicide "believeable"?

My take on it is that the point was precisely to be unbelieveable, to stretch the limits. Some people just love to blow minds, effect for the sheer sensation of it. Sod's law. If something can be done sooner or later somebody's going to do it. In the drug crazed days of my youth I ran into hundreds of them, suicides and other crazy stunts left right and center. It aint always so rational, so cool calm and collected. That's life.

[veracity]

25. what limits were stretched?

Just the opposite... the facts were very believable, because there is evidence to back up what Ruppert claims. Denial is the problem of the beholder.

[stickdog]

27. So you don't think the hijackers were fundamentalist radicals?

Funny. I don't either.

http://madcowprod.com/mc6012004.html

[veracity]

28. We can go round in circles...... hear the evidence.

Before we start trying to answer questions without any expertise or information...because it has been WITHHELD - at least see what a credible investigative journalist and former police detective has to say. He was invited by a very presitigous group of people...not conspiracy nuts...to speak his piece. Have a look. Then wonder. BTW....ask any pilot what kind of expertice it takes to pilot a plane directly into a building. Just ask...

[RH]

30. I do think they were fundamentalist radicals.

How else do you account for them.
They were not selling insurance.

[leesa]

32. Gee. Do you think the passports were real?? Are you just off the turnip

truck or what? They needed to get their pipeline in in Afghanistan as well. That was very important because they feel they MUST exploit the Asian market. Also, the Taliban had cut the opium supplies by shutting down production in Afghanistan. This is a big part of our economy. 40% of the worlds opium market was shut down by the Taliban.

They wanted to blast Afghanistan as much as Iraq. If not, why wouldn't they have invaded their buddies in SA??

[Jester_11218]

33. They had warned

neighboring nations that they were going into Afghanistan. Powwell was making the rounds in August.

They needed the excuse here at home.

[Emillereid]

34. The media? What media? Oh, I see ... you mean the

corporate PR offices. No -- they won't touch it; it won't sell anybody's stock.