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PLS POST EVERYWHERE: Attorney States He Has Proof Bush Ordered 911 Attacks
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Attorney Stanley Hilton states he has proof G W Bush Ordered 911 attacks


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Interview of Stanley Hilton, attorney for 9/11 taxpayers’ lawsuit
Bob Dole’s former chief of staff, political scientist, a lawyer, he went to school with Rumsfeld and others, he wrote his thesis about how to turn America into a dictatorship using a fake Pearl Harbor attack. He’s suing the U.S. government for carrying out 9/11. He has hundreds of the victims’ families signing onto it – it’s a $7 billion lawsuit.

Alex Jones Radio Show
September 10, 2004
Transcription by 'RatCat'

SH: Our case is alleging that Bush and his puppets Rice and Cheney and Mueller and Rumsfeld and so forth, Tenet, were all involved not only in aiding and abetting and allowing 9/11 to happen but in actually ordering it to happen. Bush personally ordered it to happen. We have some very incriminating documents as well as eye-witnesses, that Bush personally ordered this event to happen in order to gain political advantage, to pursue a bogus political agenda on behalf of the neocons and their deluded thinking in the Middle East. I also wanted to point out that, just quickly, I went to school with some of these neocons. At the University of Chicago, in the late 60s with Wolfowitz and Feith and several of the others and so I know these people personally. And we used to talk about this stuff all of the time. And I did my senior thesis on this very subject – how to turn the U.S. into a presidential dictatorship by manufacturing a bogus Pearl Harbor event. So, technically this has been in the planning at least 35 years.

SH: Yes, let me just say that this is a taxpayers’ class action lawsuit as well as a suit on behalf of the families and the basic three arguments are they violated the Constitution by ordering this event. And secondly that they fraudulent Federal Claims Act, Title 31 of the U.S. Code in which Bush presented false and fraudulent evidence to Congress to get the Iraq war authorization. And, of course, he related it to 9/11 and claimed that Saddam was involved with that, and all these lies.

SH: Yeah, we are suing Bush, Condoleeza Rice, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Mueller, etc. for complicity in personally not only allowing 9/11 to happen but in ordering it. The hijackers we retained and we had a witness who is married to one of them. The hijackers were U.S. undercover agents. They were double agents, paid by the FBI and the CIA to spy on Arab groups in this country. They were controlled. Their landlord was an FBI informant in San Diego and other places. And this was a direct, covert operation ordered, personally ordered by George W. Bush. Personally ordered. We have incriminating evidence, documents as well as witnesses, to this effect. It’s not just incompetence – in spite of the fact that he is incompetent. The fact is he personally ordered this, knew about it. He, at one point, there were rehearsals of this. The reason why he appeared to be uninterested and nonchalant on September 11th – when those videos showed that Andrew Card whispered in his ear the words about this he listened to kids reading the pet goat story, is that he thought this was another rehearsal. These people had dress rehearsed this many times. He had seen simulated videos of this. In fact, he even made a Freudian slip a few months later at a California press conference when he said he had, quote, “seen on television the first plane attack the first tower.” And that could not be possible because there was no video. What it was was the simulated video that he had gone over. So this was a personally government ordered thing.

We are suing them under the Constitution for violating American’s rights, as well as under the federal Fraudulent Claims Act, for presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress to justify the bogus Iraq boondoggle war, for political gains. And also, under the RICO statute, under the Racketeering Corrupt Organization Act, for being a corrupt entity.

And I’ve been harassed personally by the chief judge of the federal court who is instructing me personally to drop this suit, threatened to kick me off the court, after 30-years on the court. I've been harassed by the FBI. My staff has been harassed and threatened. My office has been broken into and this is the kind of government we are dealing with.

AJ: Absolutely and now it has come out – five separate drills of flying hijacked jets into buildings that morning – which you told us about before it even broke in the Associated Press. They were trying to get out ahead of you. You talked about how you interviewed military people who were told it was a drill that morning. Then to get out ahead of that, the news finally reported on it. Now, we’ve learned that all these operations – I want to get into that, I want to talk about the new incriminating evidence of ordering it and how they had drilled on this, how Cheney was in the bunker controlling this. That has even come out in the mainstream news but they won’t release the details of that, Stanley. But what type of FBI harassment are you going through?

SH: First of all, my office was burglarized in San Francisco several months ago. Files were gone through and some files were seized – particularly the ones dealing with the lady that was married to one of the hijackers. Fortunately, I had spare copies in a hidden place so nothing disappeared permanently. But more significantly, FBI agents have been harassing one of my staff members and threatening them with vague but frightening threats of indicting them. And it’s just total harassment. They have planted a spy, an undercover agent, in my organization, as we just recently discovered. In other words, these are Nazi Germany tactics. This is the kind of government you have in this country. This is what Bush is all about.

Bottom line, he has deposed military individuals, wives of hijackers, you name it, it was a government operation. It has even come out in mainstream news, a piece here, a piece there. They had drills on 9/11, that’s why NORAD stood down. Cheney was in control of the whole thing. Stanley Hilton has now gotten documents about how Bush ordered the whole operation. And I’ll tell you right now, his life is in danger, folks. And he’s got so much courage. He went to school with these neocons at the University of Chicago. He wrote his thesis on how the government could use terrorist attacks to set up martial law. He is the man for the time and folks wondered why he disappeared for a while and just did his lawsuit and wasn’t doing interviews, it was because he was ordered to.

SH: I did an interview with you, Alex, back in March of 2003, about a year and a half ago, and literally two weeks after that, I was contacted by the emissary of the chief judge of the federal court where I have the lawsuit. And I was warned not to publicize it but to keep it quiet and threatened with discipline. And it remained quiet until a couple of months ago and then I got on the air on some programs and some publicity and… July 1st, I was threatened directly by the chief judge here, threatened with court discipline. This particular judge has been circulating communiqués to the other federal judges seeking anything negative she can get against me to try and discipline me after I’ve been on the court here for 30-years with no disciplinary problems at all. This is suddenly happening. And her assistants who are on the committee of the court met with me on July 1st in Palo Alto, California, and threatened me directly. They handed me a copy of the lawsuit and said that the judge wants me to dismiss this. What’s this? She doesn’t like the content of it. This is politically incorrect. This is outside the norm. I said I represented more than 400 plaintiffs, how am I going to dismiss this case? And they threatened me directly and they said, “the next time you’ll be disciplined.” And also they’ve threatened me not to go public, etc. And this is just outrageous….

SH: They sent a letter out, and of course they deny it’s because of the political content of the suit but they told me directly on the phone that it is because of this suit and this judge is very, very angry, apparently has been in contact with Ashcroft’s Justice Department. I got a call from Ashcroft’s Justice Department a few months ago about this, demanding that I drop the suit, threatening sanctions and all kinds of things. I refused to drop it.

SH: My office was broken into about 6 months ago. The file cabinets – it was obvious they had been rifled through. Files were stolen. Files dealing with this particular case and particularly with the documents I had regarding the fact that the – some of these hijackers, at least some of them were on the payroll of the U.S. government as undercover FBI, CIA, double agents. They are spying on Arab groups in the U.S. And, in effect, all this lead up to the effect that al Qaeda is a creation of the George Bush administration, basically. That’s the entity that he called al Qaeda.is directly linked to George Bush. And all this stuff was stolen. Fortunately, I had copies. But this was just part of the harassment. The FBI has also been harassing some of my assistants and has planted a spy in our midst. And it is just outrageous that these Nazi tactics are being used - and the obstruction of justice, these people are criminals. And that’s what’s happening under the tremendous pressure here to just drop it. Or to shut up now and just go away.

SH: We have evidence both documentary as well as witness sworn statements from undercover former FBI agents, FBI informants, etc., that other officials in the Pentagon and the military and the Air Force that deal with the fact that there were many drills, many rehearsals for 9/11 before it happened. Bush had seen this simulated on TV many times. He blurted this out at a press conference in California a few months after 9/11 where he said he had, quote, seen the first plane hit the first building on the video. And that’s not possible because there was no official video of that. There was one of the second plane not the first one. He had seen the first one.

We do have some incriminating documents that Bush personally ordered 9/11 events. It was well planned. A FEMA official has admitted on tape that he was there the night before – September 10th, that is …

AJ: And now Mayor Giuliani, a few months ago in the 911 Commission, admitted that – Tripod II. They had their whole command post already moved out of Building 7. Now, this is very, very important. This is a key area of this whole event. You said months before it came out on the CIA’s own website and the Associated Press, you said I deposed people. They said there were drills that morning and exactly what happened, happening – that was the smoke-screen for the stand-down. And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a drill that morning. Now, we’ve learned that five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these – one drill with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning. That’s why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen. You’ve said this. You brought this up first. Now, I know you can’t get too much into detail but can you tell us how you learned of this?

SH: I have interviewed individuals in NORAD and the Air Force. I personally toured NORAD many years ago around the time that I worked for Dole. I’m very familiar with the operations at Cheyenne Mountain at Colorado Springs, where NORAD is. Individuals that work in NORAD as well as the Air Force have stated this, off the record, but the point is, yes, this was not just five drills but at least 35 drills over at least two months before September 11th. Everything was planned, the exact location……

SH: That day, that day, and Bush thought it was a drill. That’s the only explanation for why he appeared nonchalant………

AJ: We also had NORAD officers and civilian air traffic controllers going, “Is this part of the exercise? Is this a drill?”

SH: Yes.

AJ: On the tapes and in TV interviews, they thought it was, quote, a drill.

SH: That’s right. That’s exactly what I said long before it became public. I’ve known about this since earlier in March of ’03, as I stated before. This was all planned. This was a government ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. now, obstruction of justice by attempting to use a federal judge and FBI agents to inhibit a legitimate civil lawsuit in this country, in federal court. Even a chief judge in this court tried to harass and threaten me personally for representing legitimate plaintiffs. And they got Clinton for allegedly lying under oath about Paula Jones and now – look what’s happening now. And Ken Starr used to be across from me in Duke Law School in the early ‘70s and it’s interesting that he got away with trying to get Clinton impeached, so we have a far worse criminal sitting in the oval office today – somebody guilty of mass murder as well as obstruction of justice.

AJ: Well, I mean look, they say they never heard of a plan to fly planes into buildings – said it all over television – Rice, Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft. And then we find out they were running all these drills that morning. Even if they weren’t involved, that proves they were liars about ever hearing of such a plan.

SH: Well, I’m trying to take their depositions – I’ve been trying to take their depositions for months. They’ve been trying to object to it. They will have to admit they were either lying then or now. It’s clearly perjury either way. They are liars and perjurers; that’s what they are. These are the people that we have running this government and, of course, they knew about it. How are they going to claim now that they didn’t know about these drills? Their idea is that nobody knew anything. It’s the old know nothing mentality. And how anybody considers this believable is beyond me.

AJ: Alright, now people ask how could a huge organization, how could the AWACs, how could the military let this happen; whereas before, if your Cessna got off course for five minutes, they would launch F-16s on you. It’s real simple. It’s what Stanley Hilton said here a year and a half ago. It’s what came out in the news after that. The military, good people, were told this was all a drill. And it was not a drill. ABC News admits that Cheney was in control of out of the White House and that he ordered the military to quote “do something.” Our inside sources from Hilton and others say it was a stand down and they admit they will not release that under national security.

SH: Well they are going to admit it, they’re going to release it in the court case because if you demand it under subpoena powers and they must release it. And part of our lawsuit is brought in the name of the U.S. because under the federal fraudulent , we accuse the Bush Administration of presenting a fraudulent claim to Congress. And under the statutes of Title 31 of the U.S. code, they must release this information. That’s why they are trying to threaten me, harass me, invade my office, steal my files, commit blatant obstruction of justice and other crimes to try and prevent a legitimate civil suit from exposing these criminals and their acts of treason and mass murder.

AJ: I think you need to publicly tell folks that you are not planning suicide. Would you like to tell folks that?

SH: (laughs) I’m not planning suicide. I’ve got family and I’m not planning that but I don’t like the threats I’m under – but I can tell you this, it’s taking a toll emotionally on me and my staff. And particularly, when you get a threat from the chief judge of your own court.

AJ: Why have you decided to go public again after a year of being under the radar?

SH: ause the more and more evidence that I’ve been adducing over a year and a half has made it so obvious to me that this was now without any doubt a government operation and that it amounts to the biggest act of treason and mass murder in American history. I mean George Bush makes Benedict Arnold look like a patriot. He makes Benedict Arnold look like George Washington. I mean that’s what we have – a criminal and a traitor sitting in the White House pretending he’s a patriot, wrapping himself in the flag.
And it’s pretty disgusting because the other side of the so-called opposition, the Kerry camp is just saying nothing because they’re afraid to speak.

SH: National Security Council classified documents which and it’s was part of a series of documents that were involved with the drill documents.is was all planned – they had it on videotape. These planes were controlled by remote control, as I stated previously a year and a half ago, there’s a system called Cyclops. There is a computer chip in the nose of the plane and it enables the ground control, the military ground control, to disable the pilot’s control of the plane and to control it and to fly it directly into those towers. That’s what happened. It’s also a technology used on what’s called the Global Hawk, which is an aircraft drone – a remote-controlled aircraft. And they were doing it. We are talking about National Security Council classified documents that clearly indicated that had a green light to order this to go and this is no drill.
hese drills that were running were clearly a dress rehearsal and this was a government operation. You wonder why these people are trying to threaten people and trying to intimidate people who have written this suit, I guess if you murdered 3000 of your own citizens, in conjunction with the corrupt Royal family of Saudi Arabia as Bush did. And if you then waste billions more on a worthless garbage war in Iraq, I guess you’ve got something to worry about and you want to threaten people to prevent it from coming out.

AJ: I mean let’s look at this. Not only are there dress rehearsals, they are smoke screens so the good military stands down and doesn’t know what’s happening. But it’s now coming out, even in mainstream news, that yes these drills were going on. Yes, and some of these drills, quote, passenger-type jets were under remote control – this is decades old technology. In 1958, NORAD was < > old jets and using them for target practice. Decades ago they flew jumbo jets from LA to Sidney Australia. So since that’s going on, everybody knows that. And it’s the same MO. Just like the first World Trade Center where they get two retarded men who followed this blind sheik who had a tiny mosque above a pizza pallor. And they set them up as the patsies. Then the FBI cooks the bomb, trains the drivers. This informant goes, “You’re not going to bomb the building? They go “Yeah, we’re letting it go forward.” He tapes them to protect themselves. The two retarded gentlemen, thank God, didn’t park it up against the column, as the FBI instructed them to do, so it didn’t bring down the tower – because you have to be right up against the column. That doesn’t happen. Yet, it’s the same thing with 9/11. You’ve got these CIA agents, these Arabs, who were trained at U.S. military bases, Pensacola Naval Air Station – mainstream media, out creating their legends for this background. They’re on board the aircraft.
My military sources say nerve gas kills everybody on board the plane – nerve gas packets. Then they fly the planes into buildings. From your inside sources, is that accurate?

SH: It’s one of the things that we are looking into – that nerve gas or something else disabled people. It’s possible. I can’t say for sure to be honest with you…

AJ: All you know is they were government agents and they were on board and the planes were remote controlled.

SH: Yeah, it was basically a smokescreen. I mean, the events of the hijackings, how someone snuck in those cutters, it was a plant. It was like a classic decoy. I’ve got some military background. And it’s called decoy. It’s a decoy operation. You make the people focus on the decoy to avoid looking at the real criminals. So they are focusing on these so-called nineteen hijackers and saying, “Oh, it must have been these Arabs. When, in fact, the guilty person is at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue – sitting in the oval office. That’s the guilty person. That’s the one who authorized it. There is only one man who could have authorized this operation and that’s Bush. And anyone at NORAD will tell you as I have been told personally at NORAD in the war control room, there is only one man who has the power to do this kind of thing and that’s Bush. Even though many believe he’s a puppet. And I think in many ways he is. The fact of the matter is where was < > Cheney, Rumsfeld and these other traitors. The fact is Bush personally ordered and he’s guilty and liable and he’s going to be re-elected apparently because the media’s asleep and for Bush.

AJ: Well, the media is owned by the same military industrial complex that carried out the attacks.

SH: Yeah, the media is only interested in maintaining the official government fantasy that this was a little lone Arab. These Arabs couldn’t even steer that plane down a runway.

AJ: Mr. Hilton, when you talk to these FBI agents, when you talk to these military men and women, what’s their attitude? They’ve got to be pretty freaked out to have the big picture and know what actually happened on 9/11.

SH: Yes, you know it’s like clouds just before a thunderstorm in the sense that they are sort of pregnant with rage. They are just enraged at the criminal politicians who have perverted and misused the government to murder its own citizens and pursue these dubious political ends. And many of them, in increasing numbers, are willing to talk and will talk under subpoena – but only under subpoena because the official party line of the government is shut up and don’t talk to the trial lawyer. But more and more, they are very outraged that part of the government has done this to its own people, to its own people. I mean you have to go back to Stalin to see something – not even Hitler did this to his own people. You have to look at Stalin who murdered the Kulaks, the Russians for his own dubious gains. Also we’ve got – we have a Stalinist mentality in this country. And, if these people pose as patriots and wrap themselves in the flag, it’s disgusting.

I wanted also to point out that the Japanese television network, Asahi, is going to be airing a special on primetime tomorrow, on September 11th. They interviewed me for eight hours a couple of weeks ago. I’ll be on that. I wish – of course, the America media don’t care so they are not going to care. But in Japan, people are very serious in interviewing me and others. And we have a website now, called deprogram.info, if more people are interested: www.deprogram.info .

But the other thing, I just wanted to say that if anything happens to me - and I don’t know why – because I’m being threatened here now. And it seems you can’t bring a case in this country anymore against criminals in power without being threatened. And this is how they operate. The stakes are pretty high when you’ve got a world historical level of treason and fraud by this government against it’s own people. I guess this is what you have to expect.

AJ: Stanley, the globalists, the new world order crowd, definitely intend to carry out more terror attacks. I know they would have carried out more attacks if we wouldn’t have done what we’ve been up to, if you wouldn’t have been out there boldly speaking out and many others. And then their electronic Berlin wall has a bunch of cracks in it now. Thanks to good people like yourself and many others who are speaking out and telling the truth. But do you think that they may carry out what they’ve been hyping – a suitcase nuke attack, a biological release to try to smokescreen all of this? I know it’s a catch 22, you’ve got to expose the murderers. We’ve got to get the word out on this but some government people that I’ve talk to say, “Yeah, but if you do that, they are going to go even more hard core and must totally try to take over.” But I say regardless, they are already doing that. So what do you say to that?

SH: Well, yeah, I think they have an agenda. They have contingency plans. I think they are laying low now because there are an increasing number of people, like myself, who are openly challenging them and accusing them of criminal conduct. I think they would have done it again if we had not spoken up. I think they’re planning, what they would like to do is silence any dissenters. That’s why we are trying to get the Patriot Act declared unconstitutional in this lawsuit also.

AJ: Let’s talk about polls. In the beginning a patriot is a scarce man, hated and feared, but in time when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot. You are one of those guys who hit the barbwire for us, or figuratively jumped on the hand grenade for America. But when you’ve got a Zogby poll, who is highly respected, half of New Yorkers believe that the government was involved. When you have a Canadian poll, 63% on average believe that the U.S. government was involved. And some groups, as high as 76% in polls believe the government was involved. European polls, two-thirds show the same thing. We have German defense ministers and technology ministers and another member of their government now, three of them going public, known conservatives, and progressives. You have an environment minister, Michael Meacher, saying that if they didn’t do it, they sure as hell knew what was going on. Look, if anybody who is a thinking person looks at the evidence, their official story is impossible. Then you investigate and they are involved in it. Comments to this massive awakening and what’s happening.

SH: Well, I think that’s why they want the Patriot Act to suppress political dissent. They have to, they’re anticipating, they are not dumb individuals. I know these people personally, Wolfowitz. These are criminal individuals but they are smart and so they anticipated political dissent. And that’s why, like the Nazis, their forebears, and their blood brothers, the Nazis and the Stalinists, they’re all for political repression. Every corrupt and criminal government has done this – they suppress their own people: Nazi Germany, Communist Russia, Mao Tse-Tung, that’s why we have the Patriot Act. So it’s hand in hand. They had it planned to go right up to September 11th, this was all part of the plan. You have to do it. It was part of my senior thesis. You must follow through the terrorists attacks with a political suppression mechanism in the law. And that’s why they want Patriot I and Patriot II and their plans are to continue launching more terrorist attacks to justify even more repression. The goal is to make this a one party dictatorship in this country, to pursue their dubious ends with their blood brothers like the Saudi Royal family. And also, historical blood brothers, such as the Nazi Germany and the Communist Russian. That’s the goal

AJ: You’ve got to go in just a minute or two. But I wanted to also tell you about New York. Sound cannons that are used in Iraq, they’re against us. Men in black ski masks. 41,000 police, accredited media being arrested randomly. Children being arrested, people in wheelchairs, 2000 plus people put in a camp with barbwire fences inside with no bathrooms. You had to have permission to go to the porta-potties. Police screaming at you. It had nothing to do with terrorism. They are openly setting the precedent for martial law.

SH: Well, that’s right, the word terrorist is now being overly broad and overly defined and also, you know, it’s like the word communist was used for anything during the McCarthy witch hunt. And anybody can be called a terrorist by Bush’s definition. But the irony is that the number one terrorist in the world is living at the White House at the oval office today. That’s the real irony. For sheer hypocrisy, I think he deserves the world prize and ought to be in the Ripley book, Believe It or Not, and the Guinness book of world records for sheer brazen chicanery and fraud.

AJ: ... Now we are going to have forced psychological testing of every American, forced drugging, you know Pan-American unions, I mean it’s just all happening, it’s in our face, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, it’s very disturbing and as one who has studied the theory and concept of dictatorships, I personally interviewed Albert Speer, who was Hitler’s armaments minister. I interviewed him in 1981 in Munich. And I’ve studied the psychology and history of totalitarianism and there is no question that it’s very frightening. And it has, today, with high technology, albeit for the first time in history, the chance of having a world empire dominated by corrupt, technologically oriented government - an elite government. And they’ve got now what people like Napoleon and Hitler didn’t have, which is the technological means to dominate not only their own country but others – the world.

AJ: The answer is to expose them as the terrorists, to show how PNAC said we need helpful Pearl Harbor events, to show how Northwoods called for the exact 9/11-style attacks, to show their own plans. And to force people to face this horror. What are they going to do in a year or two when 80% of us, not half of us, know the truth?

SH: Well, that’s why they want repression and, then again, the ancient old diversion, launch another terrorist attack to get people to pitch it away. I mean who knows what they’ll do next. I mean their capacity for ingenious creation of these events is sort of untraveled. I mean there is no limit. My guess is they are going to try another stunt – maybe a stunt just before the election to justify getting Bush reelected. Although it seems like he is running against a straw man or a ghost right now, anyway. But, my guess is they’ll try some other tactic to get people’s attention away from 9/11 if it gets to be too much attention. What you really want is for the public to just lose interest because the public - and it’s like remember the Alamo, you know, people don’t forget things like that. To me it’s like the Alamo, remember 9/11, that ought to be the slogan for this outrageous act of treason. That’s what it is. It’s not……

AJ: We are at a crossroads, I don’t think they anticipated this much resistance, Stanley.

SH: Yeah, I hope they are truly wrong and as incompetent as they are corrupt and guilty. That means their incompetence is exceeded only by their corruption and their guilt. And eventually, if enough people are going to get outraged enough, these people in the bureaucracy and in the civil service and our military, and eventually we can get people under subpoena these individuals will be exposed.

AJ: Stanley, their whole operation hinges on us being naïve and not recognizing evil. This is what they got with Hitler and others. People couldn’t recognize evil so they continued to repeat succumbing to it. We are recognizing it this time. We are putting our lives, our treasure, our future on the line for freedom because we cannot let these blood-thirsty control freak terrorists capture us and use us and turn us into the empire and have a draft and use us as their slaves to invade the planet. And that’s their PNAC plan. Stanley Hilton, I know you’ve got to get to court. God bless you. I want to thank you for being here with us today. Can we get you back on next week?

SH: My closing comments would be, I think people ought to just think about the consequence of having someone like Bush in the White House and the danger for the future that these sort of individuals pose. This is not just a historical event of the past. This is part of the plan and the camera is still rolling. They have an agenda. These individuals are extremely dangerous. They are armed and dangerous. They pose a clear and dangerous threat to every freedom-loving person not only American but in the whole world.

AJ: You are absolutely right Stanley Hilton. They have captured the government. They have not captured the peoples’ minds and they are counting on us not facing up to it.

SH: And they are counting on the repressive Patriot Act and threats and chief judges and FBI agents threatening people who are exposing them. That’s what they are counting on.

AJ: But you’re not backing down are you, my friend.

SH: No, I’m not

AJ: Well, we all stand with you, my brother, and God bless you.



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:16 AM
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1. Who are these people? Where did they come from? What background
made them act in such un-American ways.

Is the bush family a transplant from Nazi Germany ---one of the dubbed
in Russian spies from the 50's ? Aliens?

Nothing about them and what they have done, and their followers, is normal.

And the media covers this up.

How did this country get to this point?

We fought against people like this in WW2 - and then brought them to
America into our government in the CIA...

And is this what we are? The Fourth Reich, the resurection of the Hitlerites?
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:21 AM
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2. Will Pitt's take on this
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21A.pitt.watchtower.htm

-fit's well into the PNAC view of things, does it not?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:30 AM
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4. This lawyer & our research on "Sibel Edmonds" indicates that
OBL is still in business with bushco for the Caspian Sea Oil, and was
a convenient part of the "plot"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2327623&mesg_id=2327623



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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:22 AM
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3. whoa....
Godspeed Stanley Hilton.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #3
5. Ex FBI who died in WTC complained of obstruction by WH
Obstruction of Investigations Into Al-Qaeda


"On August 22, 2001, John O'Neill, a counter-terrorism expert who was said to be the US government's "most committed tracker of Osama bin Ladin and his al-Qaeda network of terrorists," resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. The previous month, O'Neill who held one of the top positions in the FBI, had reportedly complained of obstruction by the White House, saying that the main obstacles to investigating al-Qaeda were "US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia."

There can be no question that the current administration in the White House as well as former US government officials, with the cooperation of certain other countries and intelligence agencies, planned and executed the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States of America to accomplish an oft stated goal since the end of WW2 as well as securing uncountable future personal wealth for the participants and the private companies they owned.

1) PNAC pronouncements and history of US govt. planning attacks
on its own land to anger the American Public enough to support a war
wanted by the "government"/

2) Failure of Bush administration to pay attention to Al Queda threats, and known infiltration into America of Saudi cells -
plus demotion of any agent or official such as O'Neill and Clarke and Edmonds who continued to attempt to have the administration act against the threats of Al Queda or investigate connections to the Saudis.

3)"Coincidental" Military "exercises"of 28/38 hijackings planned and in operation on 9/11 which acted to confuse the FAA, military, and air force as to whether the attack was real or part of the exercise and which planes were in real life hijacked and which were part of the exercise - allowing the real hijackers to continue their missions.
(and Fema's full operational setup at a NYC pier on Septmeber 10 for readiness-which became the HQ for the management of the actual disaster of 9/11 )

4) Marvin Bush cancels WTC insurance by his company just prior to 9/11; Marvin Bush's security company is the one hired to protect the building, and stands down about 5 days prior to attack, as well as Marvin Bush's company provided security for United Airlines.

5)Neither "7 Minute Bush", Rumsfeld, or Cheney gave immediate and proper orders or information to US forces to interfere with the hijackings and scramble fighters to stop the attacks.

6) The "orders" had to come from the President of the United States.
Cheney was the only one in the White House and he did not contact the
"President" of the United States and tell him what was occurring, nor did he contact the Secretary of Defense to order military intervention, but Cheney himself ran the operation and refused to order interference of the plane attacking the Pentagon even when it was within 10 miles of the Pentagon.

7) The oft stated goal of the cabal that has taken over the United States since 1988 and possibly since 1980, (FEMA and Patriot structure
written during Reagan/Bush terms) has been to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are geopolitical keys to access to the massive Caspian Sea oil and transportation of it out of the Middle East by American and British Oil companies. These companies in association with Dick Cheney, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Perle,various Bush family associates and a consortium including the Bin Laden group and the Saudi group as well as chief executives of certain oil companies benefit from the occupation of Afghanistan on one side of Iran and the occupation of Iraq on the other side of Iran which now gives them access to the Persian Gulf and the ability to close off Iran's access to the Gulf.

8) With the "intervention and liberation " conquering of Afghanistan and Iraq, oil and gas pipelines for American and British companies which had to run through Iraq and Afghanistan that had been stalled for as much as 12 years or more by the Afghanis and Saddamm now have been completed.

9) New drilling and pipelines will also run east and west and south from the Caspian massive oil pool. It would appear that the liberating of Iraq's oil was a secondary benefit to the cabal as the true purpose was and is to obtain land and sea passage and access for and to the Caspian oil as well as routes for the "stans" oils and gases to be routed across other uncooperative countries' lands.

10) Former U.S. government officials, world bankers, and oil men who have planned these actions since the end of WW2 consistently have made secret comments which have become public concerning the necessity and timing of an attack on the United States which would make the average American citizen more malleable and willing to trade their liberties and the Constitution of the United States for a guarantee of "protection and safety" by this Cabal .

If you now don't know that the attack on the World Trade Center and the death of 3000 Americans sitting at their desks for their days' work was not a foreign attack but an attack on our country by its own current and former ex- government officials,then you must be certain that one bullet killed John F. Kennedy, that there was not a rigged election in 2000, and that we were attacked by Saddam Hussein and Iraq and not by Osama bin Laden, partner of Carlyle and George H.W. Bush,James Baker III, Henry Kissinger representing China, the Saudi Kingdom,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Dick Cheney,Richard Armitage,
Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal.

Since Cheney became the Vice President after the 1996 formation of this "Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce" he has replaced himself with his
married daughter under the name of Perry on this altruistic organization. Armitage also had to resign since he went into the State
Department, perhaps to spy, control, or undercut Powell, however at this time I have not researched which name or company is related to
Armitage. Moncrief Oil is known to be a personal Texan friend of W and Laura - and of course Chevron's largest 136,000 ton oil tanker named Condoleeza Rice has been renamed "Altair Voyager" when Americans became suspicious that the Iraq war was being hawked by an administration totally composed of former top oil company executives.









The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.

US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

The following illustrates the associations of some of the above listed names:

United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu

CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
T. Don Stacy

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
Tim Cejka
Executive Vice President, ExxonMobil Exploration Co.
Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group

VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Ambassador Richard Armitage
President, Armitage Associates
(Resigned in February, 2001)

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Howard Chase
Director, International Affairs, BP

Don Condon
President & General Manager, Conoco

Stanley Escudero
Consultant, Moncrief Oil International

Nader Fahm
President, Alfacom

Andrew Fawthrop
Vice President, Unocal International Energy Ventures

Mike Kostiw
General Manager, International Government Relations, ChevronTexaco

David Sambrooks
Vice President & General Manager, Devon Energy

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Ilham Aliyev
First Vice President, SOCAR

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Ambassador of Azerbaijan in the U.S.

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman

John Roberts
Senior Advisor, American International Group

Stephen Robertson
President, Bertling Logistics

Nancy Tuomey
Vice President, First Union Bank

Frank Verrastro
Senior Policy Advisor, Vinson & Elkins


OFFICERS

Legal Counsel & Secretary
Ted Jonas - Counsel, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Treasurer
Karl Mattison - V.P. Riggs Bank, N.A.

Executive Director
Seymour Khalilov

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm

______________________________________________________

On Edit: Isn't anybody wondering what all those heavy hitters( Baker III, Cheney, Scowcroft, Armitage, Perle, Kisinger, Brzenski) are doing on the Chamber of Commerce of a country no one ever heard of?
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notbush Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:36 AM
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6. This is completely NUTS....
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 01:36 AM by notbush
It is an embarrassment to DU.
This is the kind of crap that tends to discredit ALL of DU.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:41 AM
Response to Reply #6
7. If it was nuts, there wouldn't be a clamp on Sibel Edmonds. Read it and
then talk. If you dont read it , you are not entitled to an opinion.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #6
8. William Rivers Pitt is an embarrassment to DU? You think so
All Along the Watchtower
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Opinion

Thursday, 20 June, 2002

Stanley Hilton, a San Francisco attorney and former aide to Senator Bob Dole, filed a $7 billion lawsuit in U.S. District Court on June 3rd. The class-action suit names ten defendants, among whom are George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Condoleezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld and Norman Mineta.

Hilton's suit charges Bush and his administration with allowing the September 11th attacks to take place so as to reap political benefits from the catastrophe. Hilton alleges that Osama bin Laden is being used as a scapegoat by an administration that ignored pressing warnings of the attack and refused to round up suspected terrorists beforehand. Hilton alleges the ultimate motivation behind these acts was achieved when the Taliban were replaced by American military forces with a regime friendly to America and its oil interests in the region.

Hilton's plaintiffs in this case are the families of 14 victims of 9/11, numbering 400 people nationwide. These are the same families that rallied in Washington recently to advocate for an independent investigation into the attacks. The current 9/11 hearings are being conducted by Congress behind closed doors, a situation these families find unacceptable.

Mr. Hilton, by filing his lawsuit, has joined the ranks of an ever-increasing body of Americans who subscribe to what they call the LIHOP Theory. LIHOP stands for Let It Happen On Purpose. The LIHOP Theory puts forward the accusation that Bush and his people allowed the September 11th attacks to take place, despite the fact that they had been repeatedly warned of an impending strike.

The LIHOP Theory is straightforward: In the months before 9/11, American intelligence agencies received ominous warnings from the intelligence services of nations like Israel, Russia, Egypt and Germany. These warnings were pointed - an attack involving hijacked aircraft and prominent American landmarks was imminent, our security forces were told. Bush himself was briefed of these warnings weeks before they happened. Instead of responding vigorously to these warnings, the Bush administration and its security apparatus did nothing.

more
http://www.truthout.org/docs_02/06.21A.pitt.watchtower....
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:48 AM
Response to Reply #8
9. Thanks DREAM. I didnt know Will wrote on the Attorney.
terriffic.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:54 AM
Response to Reply #9
10. the 911.org just had a meeting in New York. And this was part of it:

"Karl Schwarz, a repug, spoke about the financial aspects of 9/11. He also said that he had spoken to Sibel Edmonds before she received a gag order. She told him, "she found drug trafficking and money laundering, involving foreign names and American names, that financed 9/11."

"Schwarz said there is $11-12 trillion dollars of oil and natural gas in the Caspian Sea area. That's why the Taliban had to be taken out"

Now go and read what I have spelled out for you above.

It's illuminating.
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milkyway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #10
85. There will be a DVD of the 9/11 event you refer to available in
about a month. I was told this in an e-mail yesterday from an organization that was involved in the event. They say to check their site periodically.

http://www.walden3.org/
http://www.911truth.org/

BTW, that's me that took the notes. I don't know anything about Schwarz, so I can't vouch for his veracity. He had a detail-heavy speech. I'm sure I have quoted him correctly. Hopefully his talk makes it onto the DVD.

Here's another link reviewing the event.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0409/S00148.htm
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:58 AM
Response to Reply #9
11. Look at the American names and the map - Understand what the wars are
about and who is being used to fight wars for private oil companies.

Isn't anybody wondering what all those heavy hitters( Baker III, Cheney, Scowcroft, Armitage, Perle, Kisinger, Brzenski and the exec utives of every major British and American oil company) are doing on the Chamber of Commerce of a country, Azberjan, no one ever heard of?




There can be no question that the current administration in the White House as well as former US government officials, with the cooperation of certain other countries and intelligence agencies, planned and executed the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States of America to accomplish an oft stated goal since the end of WW2 as well as securing uncountable future personal wealth for the participants and the private companies they owned.

1) PNAC pronouncements and history of US govt. planning attacks
on its own land to anger the American Public enough to support a war
wanted by the "government"/

2) Failure of Bush administration to pay attention to Al Queda threats, and known infiltration into America of Saudi cells -
plus demotion of any agent or official such as O'Neill and Clarke and Edmonds who continued to attempt to have the administration act against the threats of Al Queda or investigate connections to the Saudis.

3)"Coincidental" Military "exercises"of 28/38 hijackings planned and in operation on 9/11 which acted to confuse the FAA, military, and air force as to whether the attack was real or part of the exercise and which planes were in real life hijacked and which were part of the exercise - allowing the real hijackers to continue their missions.
(and Fema's full operational setup at a NYC pier on Septmeber 10 for readiness-which became the HQ for the management of the actual disaster of 9/11 )

4) Marvin Bush cancels WTC insurance by his company just prior to 9/11; Marvin Bush's security company is the one hired to protect the building, and stands down about 5 days prior to attack, as well as Marvin Bush's company provided security for United Airlines.

5)Neither "7 Minute Bush", Rumsfeld, or Cheney gave immediate and proper orders or information to US forces to interfere with the hijackings and scramble fighters to stop the attacks.

6) The "orders" had to come from the President of the United States.
Cheney was the only one in the White House and he did not contact the
"President" of the United States and tell him what was occurring, nor did he contact the Secretary of Defense to order military intervention, but Cheney himself ran the operation and refused to order interference of the plane attacking the Pentagon even when it was within 10 miles of the Pentagon.

7) The oft stated goal of the cabal that has taken over the United States since 1988 and possibly since 1980, (FEMA and Patriot structure
written during Reagan/Bush terms) has been to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are geopolitical keys to access to the massive Caspian Sea oil and transportation of it out of the Middle East by American and British Oil companies. These companies in association with Dick Cheney, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Perle,various Bush family associates and a consortium including the Bin Laden group and the Saudi group as well as chief executives of certain oil companies benefit from the occupation of Afghanistan on one side of Iran and the occupation of Iraq on the other side of Iran which now gives them access to the Persian Gulf and the ability to close off Iran's access to the Gulf.

8) With the "intervention and liberation " conquering of Afghanistan and Iraq, oil and gas pipelines for American and British companies which had to run through Iraq and Afghanistan that had been stalled for as much as 12 years or more by the Afghanis and Saddamm now have been completed.

9) New drilling and pipelines will also run east and west and south from the Caspian massive oil pool. It would appear that the liberating of Iraq's oil was a secondary benefit to the cabal as the true purpose was and is to obtain land and sea passage and access for and to the Caspian oil as well as routes for the "stans" oils and gases to be routed across other uncooperative countries' lands.

10) Former U.S. government officials, world bankers, and oil men who have planned these actions since the end of WW2 consistently have made secret comments which have become public concerning the necessity and timing of an attack on the United States which would make the average American citizen more malleable and willing to trade their liberties and the Constitution of the United States for a guarantee of "protection and safety" by this Cabal .

If you now don't know that the attack on the World Trade Center and the death of 3000 Americans sitting at their desks for their days' work was not a foreign attack but an attack on our country by its own current and former ex- government officials,then you must be certain that one bullet killed John F. Kennedy, that there was not a rigged election in 2000, and that we were attacked by Saddam Hussein and Iraq and not by Osama bin Laden, partner of Carlyle and George H.W. Bush,James Baker III, Henry Kissinger representing China, the Saudi Kingdom,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Dick Cheney,Richard Armitage,
Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal.

Since Cheney became the Vice President after the 1996 formation of this "Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce" he has replaced himself with his
married daughter under the name of Perry on this altruistic organization. Armitage also had to resign since he went into the State
Department, perhaps to spy, control, or undercut Powell, however at this time I have not researched which name or company is related to
Armitage. Moncrief Oil is known to be a personal Texan friend of W and Laura - and of course Chevron's largest 136,000 ton oil tanker named Condoleeza Rice has been renamed "Altair Voyager" when Americans became suspicious that the Iraq war was being hawked by an administration totally composed of former top oil company executives.

* * * * * * *

The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.

US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

The following illustrates the associations of some of the above listed names:

United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu

CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
T. Don Stacy

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
Tim Cejka
Executive Vice President, ExxonMobil Exploration Co.
Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group

VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Ambassador Richard Armitage
President, Armitage Associates
(Resigned in February, 2001)

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Howard Chase
Director, International Affairs, BP

Don Condon
President & General Manager, Conoco

Stanley Escudero
Consultant, Moncrief Oil International

Nader Fahm
President, Alfacom

Andrew Fawthrop
Vice President, Unocal International Energy Ventures

Mike Kostiw
General Manager, International Government Relations, ChevronTexaco

David Sambrooks
Vice President & General Manager, Devon Energy

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Ilham Aliyev
First Vice President, SOCAR

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Ambassador of Azerbaijan in the U.S.

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman

John Roberts
Senior Advisor, American International Group

Stephen Robertson
President, Bertling Logistics

Nancy Tuomey
Vice President, First Union Bank

Frank Verrastro
Senior Policy Advisor, Vinson & Elkins


OFFICERS

Legal Counsel & Secretary
Ted Jonas - Counsel, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Treasurer
Karl Mattison - V.P. Riggs Bank, N.A.

Executive Director
Seymour Khalilov

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm






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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 04:34 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. Anyone who caught the PBS special "Extreme Oil" will have a clue
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:03 AM
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12. Actually according to the Attorney's Sept 10 interview, he now believes
it was MIHOP, not LIHOP, and says he has documents proving it.

I wonder if Will has read his most recent interview?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:21 AM
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14. Under Sec Dov Zakheim former area of expertise (DARPA)
http://www.sysplan.com/SEWT

System Planning Corporation:

Signatures and Electronic Warfare Technology

The Signatures and EW Technology Group provides support to both government and industry in the development of more survivable military vehicles and associated enabling technologies. The Group's expertise spans the areas of surface ship and aircraft/missile survivability, electronic warfare (EW) systems, mission analysis and planning, signature management tactics, and advanced systems applications. The Group is organized around three "Centers of Excellence": the Center for Signature Technology (Mr. Larry Myers, Director), the Center for Tactical Air Warfare (Mr. Laddie Coburn, Director), and the Center for Advanced Systems Applications (Ms. Gail Heim, Director). Each Center's focus is summarized as follows.



Center for Tactical Air Warfare


This Center's staff are primarily resident in Lexington Park, MD, with a small field activity located at China Lake, CA. The focus of the Center's activities is to provide technical RDT&E, systems engineering, and program support to the NAVAIR/NAWCAD organizations located at NAS Patuxent River, Md and NAS China Lake, CA. The operationally experienced team of SPC engineers specializes in jet aircraft RDT&E, aircraft survivability, aircraft avionics, weapons systems integration, combat identification systems, and smart/precision-guided weapons. The Center has supported activities on AX, JAST, and JSF new concept aircraft as well as JSOW/JDAM, and JASSM new precision-strike weapons.


Center for Advanced Systems Applications


Engineers in this Center provide technical and program expertise in the areas of sensors, lasers, solid-state devices, electro-optical/infrared, microwave devices, communications systems, etc., as they are applied to both advanced development and prototype/fielded systems. This Center's customers include leading-edge technology organizations (such as the U.S. government's Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency) and associated research laboratories and commercial contractors.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #14
15. Raytheon's automatic pilot from Der Spiegel Newspaper
The times for an airplane kidnapper are becoming harder: in America engineers are working to land kidnapped machines in the future by an improved autopilot without assistance of the cockpit on the nearest airport - an emergency switch, that a ground control operates crew; the levers in the airplane are then blocked and the kidnappers can no longer control the plane from the hand controls.

According to a recent news release, technicians of US aviation and arms company Raytheon already in August landed a passenger aircraft six times successfully on the military airport at Holloman, New Mexico. The plane was equipped with a special forced landing system without any pilots.

The Boeing 727 oriented itself not, as usual, with the radar signals at the end of the runway, but by a combination of GPS satellite and ground signals, which help, to exactly compute the alititude ­ and thus the necessary angle of approach ­ with deviation no greater than one meter.



US-Sicherheitssystem: Entführte Maschinen Landen Selbständig

Der Spiegel
October 28, 2001
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:32 AM
Response to Reply #15
21. Don't ya just love these photos, Pallas? 1984!


"Before the final flight on December 1, 1984, more then four years of effort passed trying to set-up final impact conditions considered survivable by the FAA. During those years while 14 flights with crews were flown the following major efforts were underway: NASA Dryden developed the remote piloting techniques necessary for the B-720 to fly as a drone aircraft; General Electric installed and tested four degraders (one on each engine); and the FAA refined AMK (blending, testing, and fueling a full size aircraft). The 14 flights had 9 takeoffs, 13 landings and around 69 approaches, to about 150 feet above the prepared crash site, under remote control. "


Controlled Impact Demonstration; CID; Antimisting Kerosene; Boeing 720 Aircraft; FAA; Remotely Piloted Vehicle


Controlled Impact Demonstration; CID; Antimisting Kerosene; Boeing 720 Aircraft; FAA; Remotely Piloted Vehicle; test dummies; NASA Langley Research Center; Dryden Flight Research Facility; Dryden Flight Research Center


http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/Gallery/Photo/CID/HTML/index.html
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:56 AM
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34. Cheezus DREAM. It's true.......isn't it? The monstrosity of it is hard to
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 11:57 AM by Pallas180
accept, even with all I know, and all the research I've posted for
everyone else.

You get such a sinking feeling. it's pretty terrible.



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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:25 AM
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17. that site is run by Nazis
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 08:33 AM by geek tragedy
Article=shit.

Truthseeker=Holocaust denial.

Please don't post Nazi articles from Nazi sites.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:21 AM
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18. whatever

Just sounds like you don't want to hear about certain issues.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:03 PM
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37. So foolish it doesn't deserve a response. Dont call people here stupid.


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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:25 AM
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19. Don't get your shit hot
Here's Minstrel Boy's thread on the same topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=976740&mesg_id=976740

No one here is a Nazi sympathizer, unless Dubya or his family are lurking.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:33 AM
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22. Many CT'ers are really gullible and rely on evil sources.
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 09:42 AM by geek tragedy
People who would never dream of linking to Drudge link to Nazi websites.

And white supremacists do try to infiltrate this place. As progressives it is our duty to reject and shun Neo-Nazis and their propaganda.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #22
25. Relax, we're not out to debunk the Holocaust
The Der Speigel article wasn't propaganda - I gave you the link to Minstrel Boy's thread, who linked to a USA Today article similar to the Der Speigel article.

We want the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth - about our government.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:00 AM
Response to Reply #25
28. I know.
But the use of Nazi websites for source information works to discredit not only 9/11 theories based on them, but the whole DU site as well.

It is physically repulsive to see people posting Nazi garbage here. It is forbidden for very good reasons.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #28
29. Repulsive, yes
But you either believe in free speech or you don't. We all have the right to ignore speech we don't agree with, and attempt to refute it. Now let's focus on getting Bush out of the WH. He's the true Nazi.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:18 AM
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:45 AM
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31. I'm aware of the rules
Although I respect the DU owner's property rights and rules, Democracy wasn't built on censorship. I can disagree and still play by the rules.

The world is full of evil people with evil agendas. The DU owner isn't one of them. Neither am I, or Pallas. The information she presented is available elsewhere.

We all have the right to exist. There are alot more good people than evil, and if we could put our differences aside and band together against it, we just might have a true Democracy.

It's a matter of priority - regime change is my priority.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:52 AM
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32. Is there any legitimate place for Nazi propaganda on DU?
Those who post Nazi propaganda here are hurting DU.

DU is not a democracy, but an advocacy group. If this were a true democracy/free speech area, people could be accused of being Republicans or Nazis. But they can't. That's the trade-off--people aren't allowed to post Nazi propaganda, and they're not allowed to be accused of being Nazis.

I will not tolerate the posting of Nazi propaganda, and anyone who posts it DESERVES every bit of criticism they get.

If someone came in here and supported their arguments by citing Drudge, NRO, LGF, and the American Spectator as legitimate news sources, what would you assume about them?
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. I would ignore that post, it wouldn't be worthy of a response
But that's not my point. My point is the article on the offensive site was also in USA Today.

Property rights trump here. If the owner wanted Nazi ariticles posted, the owner would provide a place for them.

There's enough mainstream propaganda out there to keep us all busy. That should be our focus. I think most people know hate when they see it.

No matter how many laws are passed, certain people are going to hate other certain people. I chose not to participate. Hate is an ugly emotion.

Now...that being said...what are your opinions on the topic of this thread?

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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:25 PM
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52. Here, dear
Copying from Minstrel Boy's post referenced above

"A USA Today story from October 2001, announced that Raytheon had remote-flown a FedEx 727 to a safe landing on a New Mexico air force base in August 2001, without a pilot.
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/techreviews/2001/10/2/remo..."

I seem to remember that Zakheim is a Rabbi. That isn't true? Honest question.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:30 PM
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53. I was referring to this post/article:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x20128#20154

The one that links to thetruthseeker.co.uk.

You know, the Nazi propaganda.

When Nazi propadandists feel compelled to point out his Jewishness, and then talk about Zionist plots, I think "anti-semitism." But that's just me.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:37 PM
Response to Reply #53
55. Dear, I wasn't referring to that article
I apologize if I didn't make that clear. I was referring to the USA Today article.

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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #55
57. I haven't discussed the USA Today article.
So, I really don't see why that's relevant to my discussion of Nazi propaganda.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #32
50. Why are you trying to change the subject from the 911 US govt criminality?
something stinks in denmark.

If you dont like what it being posted here, please put either the thread or the name you dont like on ignore.

You're behavior is highly suspicious Mr. Geek Tragedy.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:38 PM
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58. I didnt make a mistake. I see nothing irregular about that site
however I do see "irregularities" elsewhere.

Now knock it off.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:41 PM
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59. Do you believe the Holocaust happened?
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 12:44 PM by geek tragedy
The site you're defending doesn't.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=120x21832

Do you see irregularities now?

If you don't see irregularities about that site, you don't belong on a progressive website.

Just admit your mistake. Only people like Bush can't admit their mistakes.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
48. Well said REB, very well said. However
I'm losing patience with this attempt to change the subject and
disrupt our goal. Aren't you?

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:10 PM
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45. Yah Zig Heil - Its Verboten. Do you reallize what you yourself sound like?



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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:03 PM
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63. Like the people who run the website you're defending?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #63
66. Geek - I'm using my ignore button & I hope everyone else will also
it seems to me that you are purposely trying to be disruptive and to
stop the point of this thread.

I don't want to play your game...you've already sucked up too much time and energy which should be devoted to informing Americans of the
horror that has been committed.

Dont bother to answer, I wont see it.



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
44. Geek - you're over the moon. The point is Attorney Stanley Hilton, not
a website that you don't like...

Stop changing the subject, or go to your own thread where you can talk
about white supremacistws.......

"As progressives it is our duty to reject and shun Neo-Nazis and their propaganda."

It is "our duty"????? Now that's a real nazi phrase.

yah right.

gay cockin yon.

if you dont like what's posted here, dont read it and dont post here.

Someone would think you're purposely trying to disrupt this thread.

Not a neo-con yourself are ya?


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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:10 PM
Response to Reply #44
46. You don't want to go down this path with me.
You are hardly in a position to accuse someone of having questionable ideological leanings.

I have not linked to a Neocon or Freeper site.

I'll let you fill in the blanks.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:04 PM
Response to Reply #19
39. Hey (((((REB)))) so glad to see you. We got to get this under the
radar and onto the main pages.



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #17
35. Is Der Spiegel run by Nazis? Clue: The CIA has been run by Nazis
since 1945.

What the hell is the matter with you.

German Nazis didn't bomb Americans on 9 11

American Nazis bombed America. And they've been in the White House since 1980, if not before.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:47 AM
Response to Reply #13
23. Pallas look at this and the date
I couldn't get many to talk about it then. It all started for me because of Jack Shaw. I think we'll be hearing more from him in the future.

DoD Statement on Jack Shaw and the Iraq Telecommunications Contract
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=743997
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #23
61. Hi DREAM. Yes, I remember reading about his investigation and
how they tried to stop it.

A side issue, he was onto their profiteering as we posted more of it
in American Judas (see editorials)

But the main issue is that they killed 3000 Americans purposely in order to go to war, use our kids for private enterprise so they could
complete pipelines, and occupy countries that had oil.

We've got to start a movement to use solar panels, and corn oil for gas.

When the money stops flowing into their pocketbooks, when you hurt their bottomline - you defeat them.

I'm serious.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 09:18 AM
Response to Reply #61
95. Totally agree.
The future of America is tied to our choice of energy and the national security implications of both.

Republicans = Oil = War
Democrats = Alt/Renewable Energy = Jobs = Future
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:54 AM
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26. ANOTHER LOOK AT 9-11 MORE PNAC PLOTTING?
By: Ted Lang

Increasingly, evidence continues to mount against our own government. Parts of what were formerly viewed as disjointed, confusing and disconnected pieces of a puzzle are beginning to fall into place. The Abu Ghraib prison torture scandal was bad enough, but the Bush administration’s cover-up is much worse. The same can be said for the 9-11 Commission that never really addressed how it was possible for our skies to be so vulnerable on that day. We are to believe that nary a jet fighter plane was available to protect US? And need we again refer to the FBI cover-ups of downed flights AA587 and TWA 800?

Amazing, isn’t it? And the only plane that didn’t reach its target was the one that was on its way to Washington, DC? Of course, the story is that the passengers "rolled" and attacked the terrorist pilots. However, I remember a fellow worker speaking on the phone that morning and then loudly stating: "Another airliner was just shot down over Pennsylvania!" I’ve decided to revise my thinking on the fate of Flight 93 - I’ve decided that the plane was indeed shot down, because no one will ever convince me that four hijacked airliners were in our unfriendly skies for over one hour with absolutely no military response. Why have the Flight 93 black boxes been made to disappear in the bowels of FBI headquarters?

Considering Abu Ghraib, the 9-11 Commission cover-up, the Flight 93 cover-up, and all the other government cover-ups, and now the additional scandal identified as the spying and intelligence-manipulating Israeli lobby, AIPAC, which has virtually bribed and purchased every member of Congress, as well as the White House as confirmed by retiring Senator Fritz Hollings, we should not be limited by our own personal standards of morality.

We would never stoop to the astonishingly low levels of immorality to which our bought-and-paid-for politicians have prostituted themselves. We should, in fact, think the very worst of them. They are traitors for doing the bidding of Israel and leading US into an unnecessary and deadly war. Over one thousand of our military have been killed, and 15,000 more wounded, maimed and crippled for life. And 30,000 Iraqis, most of them innocent non-combatant civilians, have been slaughtered

more
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=3337
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:10 PM
Response to Reply #26
64. DREAM - I dont like the finger pointing at Israel-David Rockefeller
has had this plan in the works since 1945 and formalized it in 1973 by
forming the Trilateral Commission - with of course GHW Bush. Of course neither Rockefeller or Bush are Jewish or Israeli, if anything
they abhor Jews (remember Baker III's famous remark: "F ___ the Jews, they never vote for us anyway"

What has been done IMHO is set up Jews to be the fall guys in this entire matter - could it be an accident that the bush family,Jew haters and Nazi supporters throughout the entire WW2, that the Bush family suddenly found a love for Jews? No. This is Oswald the patsy
magnified. When did any administration ever have so many Jewish names
prominently placed and upfront. What's the phrase dumbya will use?
"Plausible Deniability" " I didnt know what they were up to" - then
we can move onto another Spanish Inquisition.

Don't forget, this is a born again Xian who believes he has to bring on Armageddon and all Jews will either die or be converted to Xianity.
And who is his adviser? Jerry Falwell. This is so sick, everyone has to really wonder how this aberration ever got into the White House. How could people be so bigoted and so blind?

It's unfortunate that a number of people currently in US govt studied under Strauss at the University of Chicago (brought over by the way by David Rockefeller)whose upbringing in Nazi Germany carried over into his philosophy. Pure totalitarianism and nazism.

We're in big trouble in this country.This is the horror that is in charge of the US government.

In many ways, I think it may be a good thing that the "ban" on Americans arming themselves has run out - we may end up looking like Iraq - with anarchy and fighting in the streets. If Americans aren't able to arm themselves, it will be total slaughter instead of just plain slaughter.

We're being occupied. Martial law was in effect in Georgia and Florida before the hurricanes....and who knows how many other places.

They've almost completely taken over - won.

Just the formal FEMA take over of the country, which would come with
the appointment of the National Director, like Goss, I suspect would
be the final blow and implementation of the whole FEMA plan.

Jesus Christ. What country will help us?

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 10:52 AM
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:05 PM
Response to Reply #13
40. As geektragedy says, that article is from an antisemitic site
Two actually. It's a mirror of an article from AFPN, which has been banned.

And geektragedy's right, the "truthseeker" website should be banned as well. I went exactly where GT said, and found an approving link to some of the worst lies I've ever seen about Auschiwitz. According to them, Auschiwitz wasn't a death camp -- why, those inmates had access to health care, swimming pools, and hookers! Repugnant lies.

The 9/11 revisionists would do well to completely disassociate themselves from Holocaust revisionists.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:06 PM
Response to Reply #40
42. It is banned now, per Skinner. n/t
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #42
54. That's his perogative
And you're entitled to your opinion. Now take a deep breath and relax. We're not out to get you.

The people I sympathize with are the victims and their families of both 9/11 and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:38 PM
Response to Reply #54
56. As do I.
I was simply debunking post #13.

I was successful.

If people had let it go, that would have been the end of it.

Very simple: If people don't post Nazi propaganda, I won't criticize them for it.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:45 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Let me expound on that
The article wasn't propaganda, as shown by the USA Today article, but rather the SITE is Nazi propaganda. That is what I was attempting to show.

Now...Zakheim is NOT a Rabbi? It is an honest question.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #60
62. This isn't propaganda?
"Well, there you have it! Motive, means and opportunity all rolled into one and existing between Rabbi Dov Zakheim's ears. The motive was that a false flag intelligence operation would trigger a response by the USA that would be good for the Zionist state. The means consisted of the aforementioned remote control of airborne vehicle technologies as well as the nurturing, creative accounting at the Pentagon to pay for such an operation. The opportunity was Zakheim's closeness to the Command/Control/Communications in our nation's capital and its interwoven cousin network of psychopathic Zionist Neo-Cons all hell-bent on provoking a war with Saddam Hussein."

The line is drawn from "Rabbi" Zakheim to a false flag operation for Israel. Hmmmm. "Psychopathic" Zionists.

Nope, no propaganda here. Nothing to see. Move it along.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:49 PM
Response to Reply #62
72. Please tell me which article
We've had trouble communicating today. Was it from:

A. Der Speigel
B. AFPN (or something similar)
C. USA Today

FWIW, I don't think Zakheim was involved in a false flag operation. Isn't he considered an enemy of Israel because of Lavi?

I admit to not knowing much about him. That's why I'm asking, truly honest questions. I'm attempting to learn something here. Thanks.

Sorry to hijack your thread, Pallas.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #72
77. AFPN.
And yes, Zakheim is about the last conservative Jew I would expect to be an Israeli operative. Not only did he oppose the Lavi, but he also opposes settlements.

Could still be a crook, though.

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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #77
81. Whew. Finally.
Ok, yes, that site and everything on it is a pile of crap. We agree on that.

A couple trillion dollars disappeared under Zakheim's watch. He IS probably a crook.

I don't know why, must be Nazi day today, but I saw on another board (infidels.org) that the US Nazi party just endorsed Kerry. I won't post the url. I looked. It's true.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #40
67. Bolo - I dont know anything about that, but I do know that Bush
family was involved with Selesian steel and Auschwitz was built near
the steel companies so the Bush manager of American Silesian steel could use the slave labor of the camps, as did I G Farben. Learning the truth of what the American companies did for Nazi Germany was an
eye opener. And they are the same multi nationals that are in control
of the country now.

I wrote several threads on it in General Discussion.

If you're interested, I'll dig up the URL to them.

The article about Dov Zakheim appears in many reputable newspapers, magazines, on line sites. That one objectionable site reprinted it
does not make it any less authoritative.

As a matter of fact I went to that company site and reprinted what their work with airplane automated systems was.

So please, let's put a stop to this diverting of attention now from the real subject. 911 and who was truly responsible for it.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #40
69. BOLO -scuse me. What do you mean "911 Revisionists"
FBI Sibel Edmonds is a revisionist?

CIA Valerie Plame is a revisionist?

Attorney Stanley Hilton is a revisionist?

And one bullet made four holes in JFK right?

Please. You are entitled to your opinion, but dont insult the intelligence of the majority of the American people who find the 911
commission report and all explanations very lacking and with huge gaps.

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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. Excuse me.
Does Sibel Edmonds maintain that something other than Flight 77 hit the Pentagon? I doubt it.

Is Valerie Plame on record as believing a plane fired a missile into the South Tower before crashing into it? Again, I doubt it.

Stanley Hilton I've read. Stanley Hilton is a 9/11 revisionist.

One bullet made one hole in JFK, a hole stretching from the upper back to the lower throat. Another bullet tore an unsightly hole into his cranium. That's two bullets for two holes.

The 9/11 Commission was designed to answer some specific questions and to avoid other questions. Being upset with the report because it doesn't answer questions that it specifically avoided is like being upset with a HP toner cartridge because it won't go into a Dell printer. There are lots of questions that the 9/11 Commission didn't ask. The questions that it did address were answered quite well, with a lot of information.

Anybody interested in knowing more might start cataloging the info that is provided and does speak to their preferred questions instead of writing the whole thing off.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:44 AM
Response to Reply #76
88. Stanley Hilton is an attorney who has brought these charges in a lawsuit.
Edited on Thu Sep-16-04 12:48 AM by Pallas180
These are very serious charges.

No lawyer woud put these charges in his pleadings before the Court unless he had the backup and expected to prove it.

Additionally since the Arabs hired James Baker 111 to represent them,
where there's smoke there's fire.

Your calling the matter revisionist history is rather closed minded.

there is no revisionist history about this.

Even OBL denied he had done it for several weeks - which was unusual for him. He usually claims his kills.

Wasn't it handy that we obtained tapes of his admissions of doing
the WTC buildings...

Think about it.

Revisionist my foot. No one , and I mean no one, has conducted an
investigation of the events of 9 11.

The one thing you're right about is that the 9 11 Commission's duties
were limited. It was not their job to find out who did it. Just their job to find out why it wasn't stopped.

For your further information , Governeor Kean is a director of an oil
company that does business with the Bin Ladens and the Saudis and stands to profit from the Mideast pipelines.

So were several other people on the commission connected to oil companies.

A slight conflict of interest, any unbiased person would say.

Here's the reason for the Afghan and Iraq war...and the desire for more wars:



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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #88
90. Also, Hilton is Bob Dole's former chief of staff.
Not your typical tin-foil occupation.
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demodewd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #76
96. which direction?
From which direction did that bullet enter JFK's cranium bolo?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:49 AM
Response to Reply #6
24. What's nuts is that there are still people
who don't realize the true depth of the evil that has taken control of our government.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:56 AM
Response to Reply #24
27. There are people on DU
"who don't realize the true depth of the evil that has taken control of our government."

That's why 9/11 is in the basement, when it's the key to getting Bush out of the WH! Talk about shooting yourself in the foot!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:15 PM
Response to Reply #27
65. REB - remember what happened to the last Plame Thread? so I think
we better suck this thread up so we can reprint it when it's closed off (without the nattering mosquitoes).
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Pallas here take your pick
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. DREAM - you character - thanks for the laugh :) - you are
so quick!

How do you like my vision below?



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #70
71. DREAM, REB, All, pls read my post #64 - see if it makes sense
to you
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #71
73. Agreed
It wouldn't be the first time Jews were blamed for something they didn't do. One must consider Grandpappy Prescott Bush dealing with the Nazis. The BFEE herd is as evil as it gets. Almost everyone with that much money is evil.

I'm truly not trying to get into a pissing contest here. I can't aim.

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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. REB My ex, a lawyer, always said
"don;t get into a pissing contest with a skunk"

lol

took me awhile to think about it and figure it out..

Duh. :)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 03:36 PM
Response to Reply #71
75. Pallas have you read this
The C.I.A. & The Muslim BrotherhoodHow the CIA set the stage for Sept11
the late CIA agent Miles Copeland acknowledged in his memoirs, The Game of Nations , so the CIA subcontracted more than a hundred German Third Reich vets, who specialized in Nazi security and interrogation techniques, to do the job.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2268109

I have more of the long article but no search right now will find the rest soon and get back

I'm thinking about your post
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
78. oops - duplicate - DU having delayed reaction
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 04:46 PM by Pallas180
.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
79. oops duplicate again
Edited on Wed Sep-15-04 04:54 PM by Pallas180
.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 04:41 PM
Response to Reply #75
80. DREAM -Zbrinski in his book "The Grand Chessboard" spoke of similar
in the 70's - engendering Muslim revolutionaries to give Russia trouble....only it backfired just as Copeland's did. Thye don't learn do they - or they dont look far enough ahead in the chess moves to see
the catastrophe waiting.

Out of Zbrinski's work came the Mujahidin and OBL and Al Queda....

My viewpoint is that OBL was in on the "deal", but when 9 11 happened
his followers, the true believers who were not in on the deal, took it for real, and we now have a Muslim uprising for real, ready to claim their place as the world power for which they've waited 1500 years, and definitely out of control of the bush cabal and OBL.

Eventually,,I think China will have something to say about who is going to be the world power.

We can thank Reagan and the Bushes, Cheney, and the oil companies for the insanity and the world war that is going to engulf this world.

The bastards.
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #65
82. I'll take responsibility
I believe in property rights. If the owner thinks I'm shitting in his living room, he has the right to ban me. Locking the thread doesn't solve anything. Aren't we here to solve problems? Or did I miss the memo?
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 12:03 AM
Response to Reply #6
94. notbush if someone told you what Hitler had planned for
Germany & the World before it occurred most people would say that's NUTS it couldn't happen. Would you be among them?

The Final Solution was NUTS but Auschwitz stands as a stark reminder of man's insanity towards man IMO

No I do not believe everything I read but dismissing something as Nuts because it elicits cognitive dissonance is your loss.

Truth has always been stranger than fiction when it comes to human behavior & history.
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Paradise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 08:16 PM
Response to Original message
83. WHAT is going on here?
This is quite upsetting, and I'm lost!
What is the credibility of this thread and the linked sites?
Someone please tell me WHAT is going on here? :(
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 09:09 PM
Response to Original message
84. I need a nap now!
Read your entire post and thread. I'm sleepy!

What Stanley is saying is exactly what Michael Ruppert said in his speech before the Commonwealth Club. The cats out of the bag. What will these animals do now? Kill Stanley? Kill Ruppert? Another attack? Martial Law before it becomes common knowledge?

Stanley has been unable to get on mainstream U.S. TV. Why am I not surprised?

You know what? This is the perfect story for Dan Rather and 60 Minutes. ;)

I'm sure you've read Ruppert's speech, but in case you haven't, here's the link.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf


Great thread, Pallas!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:34 AM
Response to Reply #84
87. Thanks Incognito. I was thinking how to get it out also,English papers
would be the only ones,,,then US might pick it up

Dan Rather has blown his wad on the AWOL story...CBS would never let
him do another....they'd say it would look like he was hunting the resident....

Why they hunted poor Big Dawg...dont know why a rethuglican should nt
get the same treatment

But the English papers might be the way to go.

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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-15-04 11:31 PM
Response to Original message
86. Phony radar blips
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 12:47 AM
Response to Reply #86
89. Nec Onslaught - too technical for me - Can you explain your point in
words?

thanks

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NecessaryOnslaught Donating Member (691 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-16-04 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #89
91. If these statements are true..
From Crossing the Rubicon

"As it turns out, on September 11th, various agencies including NORAD, the FAA, the Canadian Air Force, the National Reconnaissance Office, and possibly the Pentagon were conducting as many as five wargame drills — in some cases involving hijacked airliners; in some cases also involving blips deliberately inserted onto FAA and military radar screens which were present during (at least) the first attacks; and which in some cases had pulled significant fighter resources away from the northeast US on September 11."
http://www.newsociety.com/News/rub_war.pdf

and from the Hilton interview

"And then to get out ahead of it, the CIA comes out and said yeah we were running a drill that morning. Now, we’ve learned that five, possibly six, were confirmed. Five of these – one drill with the exact same thing happening that actually happened, at the exact same time in the morning. That’s why NORAD stood down with 24 different blips on the screen

This "portable", "in the loop",universal radar target simulator seems to be tailor made for such a job. This device intercepts incoming radar signals after they have been converted to digital form. It can then insert numerous, synthetic targets of seemingly any altitude, velocity and aircraft type and then send the "altered" signal to the radar screen. If one were so inclined I assume they could do this without the ATC's at the FAA or NORAD being none the wiser.

So the question remains, were fighters scrambled on 9/11 as per protocols but sent chasing rare air?
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impe Donating Member (185 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 08:59 AM
Response to Reply #91
92. Brillant


Other than our military, who else is a White Sands customer of this technology?
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:20 PM
Response to Reply #91
99. Inserted thru backdoor with the Inslaw/Promis machine-program???
it's said to be able to go in backdoor of all programs...can do many many things without the legitimate program knowing.

Put up job..

Absolutely no doubt of it - when you read all the pieces all over the net + Sibel Edmonds.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-17-04 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
93. Stanley Hilton is one brave individual to step forward with such
damning accusations. This is surreal. If this (911) was ever going to happen in America then it makes sense to me that it would be a Son of the BFEE that would be pResident at the time it occurred.

Can anyone find info on Hilton that would make me doubt the veracity of his claims? I've tried but no luck. He is literally risking his life with these accusations he is calling bush* a murderer & traitor.

He must be # 1 on AshKKKrofts hit list IMO.

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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-18-04 11:54 PM
Response to Original message
97. The glue that holds all the dots together -- into one big, fat ass
Edited on Sun Sep-19-04 12:37 AM by Emillereid
'conspiracy' is peak oil. Our way of life is going to be over soon -- and these idiots don't have any other plan than 'let's fight for the last drops of oil' -- Suddenly LIHOP/MIHOP doesn't look so crazy -- inside their psychotic heads it makes complete sense to do whatever they have to do to 'protect' our way of life. Not only is 'our wasteful, oil dependent way of life' destructive, but it's soon to be an historical dead-end. Nothing -- not even a 'war that won't end in our lifetime,' is going to make our suburban, over-consumption way of life 'safe.' The real reasons for the Iraq war and Cheney's promise of endless war is to be found in Cheney's energy task force notes.

Humans -- evolve or die!


I highly recommend the movie called The End of Suburbia.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. Sibel Edmonds told the real reason - look at the membership
of The Chamber of Commerce of Azberjan, the route of the oil pipelines, the Caspian Sea Oil in relation to Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran,
and Syrria... and study the little map. With Cheney and Company on that Chamber of Commerce and the map and the history of plans for a new Pearl Harbor to rile Americans to go to war - the whole phony story is told:




"On August 22, 2001, John O'Neill, a counter-terrorism expert who was said to be the US government's "most committed tracker of Osama bin Ladin and his al-Qaeda network of terrorists," resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. The previous month, O'Neill who held one of the top positions in the FBI, had reportedly complained of obstruction by the White House, saying that the main obstacles to investigating al-Qaeda were "US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia."

MIHOP. There is just no question that it was MIHOP when you put all these pieces together:

1) PNAC pronouncements and history of US govt. planning attacks
on its own land to anger the American Public enough to support a war
wanted by the "government"/

2) Failure of Bush administration to pay attention to Al Queda threats, and known infiltration into America of Saudi cells -
plus demotion of any agent, official who continued to attempt to have the administration act against Al Queda and the Saudis.

3)"Coincidental" Military "exercises"of 28/38 hijackings planned for 9/11 (and Fema setup in NYC on Septmeber 10 for readiness) which acted to confuse whether the attack was real or part of the exercise.

4) Marvin Bush cancels WTC insurance by his company just prior to 9/11, his security company is the one hired to protect the building, and stands down about 5 days prior to attack, as well as Marvin Bush's company provided security for United Airlines.

5)Neither "7 Minute Bush", Rumsfeld, or Cheney gave immediate and proper orders for US forces to interfere with the hijackings and scramble fighters to stop the attacks.

6) The "orders" had to come from the President of the United States.
Cheney was the only one in the White House and he did not contact the
"President" of the United States and tell him what was occurring, nor did he contact the Secretary of Defense to order military intervention, but Cheney himself ran the operation and refused to order interference of the plane attacking the Pentagon even when it was within 10 miles of the Pentagon.

7) The oft stated goal of the cabal that has taken over the United States since 1988 and possibly since 1980, (FEMA and Patriot structure
written during Reagan/Bush term) has been to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are geopolitical keys to access to the massive Caspian Sea oil and transportation of it out of the Middle East by American and British Oil companies. These companies in association with Dick Cheney, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Perle,various Bush family associates and a consortium including the Bin Laden group and the Saudi group as well as chief executives of certain oil companies benefit from the occupation of Afghanistan on one side of Iran and the occupation of Iraq on the other side of Iran which now gives them
access to the Persian Gulf and the ability to close off Iran's access to the Gulf.

8) With the "intervention and liberation " conquering of Afghanistan and Iraq, oil and gas pipelines for American and British companies which had to run through Iraq and Afghanistan that had been stalled by the Afghanis and Saddamm now have been completed.

9) New drilling and pipelines will also run east and west and south from the Caspian massive oil pool.

10) Former officials, world bankers, and oil men consistently have made secret comments which have become public concerning the necessity and timing of an attack on the United States which would make the average American citizen more malleable.

If you now don't know that the attack on the World Trade Center and the death of 3000 Americans sitting at their desks for their days' work was not a foreign attack but an attack on our country by its own current government,then you must be certain that one bullet killed John F. Kennedy, that there was not a rigged election in 2000, and that we were attacked by Saddam Hussein and Iraq and not Osama bin Laden, partner of Carlyle and George H.W. Bush, Henry Kissinger, and
the Saudi Kingdom.





The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.
US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

External Links

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

The following illustrates the associations of some of the above listed names:

United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu

CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
T. Don Stacy

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
Tim Cejka
Executive Vice President, ExxonMobil Exploration Co.
Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group

VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Ambassador Richard Armitage
President, Armitage Associates
(Resigned in February, 2001)

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Howard Chase
Director, International Affairs, BP

Don Condon
President & General Manager, Conoco

Stanley Escudero
Consultant, Moncrief Oil International

Nader Fahm
President, Alfacom

Andrew Fawthrop
Vice President, Unocal International Energy Ventures

Mike Kostiw
General Manager, International Government Relations, ChevronTexaco

David Sambrooks
Vice President & General Manager, Devon Energy

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Ilham Aliyev
First Vice President, SOCAR

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Ambassador of Azerbaijan in the U.S.

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman

John Roberts
Senior Advisor, American International Group

Stephen Robertson
President, Bertling Logistics

Nancy Tuomey
Vice President, First Union Bank

Frank Verrastro
Senior Policy Advisor, Vinson & Elkins


OFFICERS

Legal Counsel & Secretary
Ted Jonas - Counsel, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Treasurer
Karl Mattison - V.P. Riggs Bank, N.A.

Executive Director
Seymour Khalilov

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm
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Emillereid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-19-04 06:55 PM
Response to Reply #98
100. Can't get the link to work....
Yes, it's definitely the Empire of Oil boys. Have you read the grand Chessboard? It appears to be the blueprint. I study maps too -- everywhere there is oil you will find the US armed forces; strategically surrounding the stuff and preparing for a 'final' showdown with the Chinese.

What fools -- the end of the age of oil is approaching -- and nothing is going to stop it.

We can choose PEACE rather than this!
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #100
101. Yup, this map & the membership on the Azberjan C.C. tell true story of war
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RebelYell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-24-04 01:40 PM
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102. Stanley Hilton radio interview tonight, 9/24, 5-6pm EDT
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 04:33 PM
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103. I have read so many Stanley Hilton interviews. If he is for real, why is
he just always talking about his case? Is he having a problem getting someone to take it, to try it? Is he just trying to get more exposure so someone will have an interest in trying the case in Congress? I don't understand. Does any one at DU know his chances of getting this to go to trial?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-21-04 05:58 PM
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104. I think the real question is what case??????
I look every few weeks on Lexus Nexus and as of today there is still no suit listed.
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