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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:37 PM
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911 Film Opens in Russia

On the anniversary of 9/11, an Italian-produced documentary called ZERO, investigating the tragedy, is opening in Russia. The authors believe that the U.S. official version of events surrounding the attacks can't be true. U.S. networks have rejected the film.

The events of September 11 2001 sent shockwaves around the world as hijacked aircraft crashed into the World Trade Centre, bringing the landmark buildings down, the Pentagon, and into a Pennsylvania field in the wake of a failed attempt by passengers to regain control.

The Empty space at Ground Zero in Manhattan stands as a memorial to the collapse of the towers, which killed nearly 3000 occupants and rescuers.

The makers of the documentary claim that the report of the official U.S. commission into the tragedy of September 11, 2001 is false.

One of the films authors, Giulietto Chiesa, who's also an Italian member of the European Parliament, says some of the facts concerning the tragedy remain very suspicious and that a lot of questions are still unanswered.

“The people who organised 9/11 are people who knew the geopolitical and energy situation in the world very well. They knew exactly how the attack will change the future of the world,” Chiesa said.

The film claims the reason for the collapse of the two towers of the World Trade Center in New York was not the planes crashing into them but a controlled detonation of explosives planted inside the buildings. Referring to witness corroborations, they pose the question of how two of the worlds largest buildings collapsed on their own footprint, and without significantly affecting nearby buildings.

Chiesa says he was shocked by the absence of U.S. air defense on the day of the attack, which allowed the hijacked planes reach the World Trade Centre.

He also finds it strange that, just three days after 9/11, U.S. officials were able to name all 19 terrorist involved. The film presents evidence that CIA specialists not only new about the planned terrorist attack but assisted them in gaining U.S. visas.

The documentary also raises questions about whether the aircraft involved in the Pentagon attack was a Boeing-757. Adding to these questions is the absence of any footage from the many cameras installed around the U.S. Defense HQ, any wreckage from the aircraft, or passenger bodies.

The documentary also raises doubts, not only about Osama Bin Laden’s involvement in the attack, but also the existence of the Al-Quaeda terrorist organisation.

9/11 victims remembered in Moscow

A requiem service has been held in Moscow to remember those who died in the 9/11 terror attacks in New York seven years ago.

The requiem service was lead at St. Catherine's Church by U.S. born archimandrite Zahkey (Richard Wood). The ceremony was held both in Russian and English.

The U.S. Ambassador to Russia John Beyrle attended the service along with his international counterparts and Russian officials.

Beyrle said it was a day for people to mourn not only the victims of the 9/11 attacks, but for innocent people who have died in any terrorist attack.

http://www.russiatoday.com/news/news/30260
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:57 PM
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1. Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-YqET96OO0

I have watched this video in full. I believe with every fiber of my being it was an inside job but, even so, this film literally left me seething with anger and emotionally distraught.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 10:09 PM
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2. Thanks for this post
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 10:25 PM by AnotherDreamWeaver
I didn't know it was on youtube. I ordered the film at the film festival in oakland yesterday where I watched it with others. They had sold out there. Here is the link to the event: http://www.communitycurrency.org/filmfestival2008.html
I too believe it was an inside job. Rummy changed the scramble orders June 1st, so that only he could authorize a scramble, and then was no where to be found that morning.

(on edit. For some reason from this computer if I click on the link you give it crashes Safari. If I copy and paste, it crashes Safari. I had to go to another computer to load the page by typing it in.

This was not just opening in Theaters like a movie, my understanding was that it was being shown on TV today, to possibly 30 million viewers.)
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:09 AM
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3. Ummm, Rumsfled was at the Pentagon that morning....
I don't know where you get this bullshit he could not be found.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:46 AM
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4. he was out walking around there after what ever hit the place.
But did he scramble jets, after he had written an order saying he had to give authorization first? Did someone find him to let him know planes had been hijacked?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:09 AM
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5. Jesus, what do you think?
And, it's simply not true that he "had written an order saying he had to give authorization first", as I have pointed out before:

http://www.911myths.com/html/hijack_assistance_approval.html

For the record, I despise Rumsfeld, as I do Bush and the rest of his "crew", however, what I find ironic is that a large contingent of the so-called "truth movement" seems to have no more regard for the truth than Bush, etal do.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:29 PM
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7. That's interesting, but not what I read before. Still looking for what I saw
in the meantime I found this interesting piece:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=9002
Rumsfeld: "Why Not another 911"

by Larry Chin

Global Research, May 16, 2008
Online Journal

In a newly-released tape of a 2006 neocon luncheon meeting featuring former War Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, attended by ex-military "message force multiplier" propaganda shills Lt. General Michael DeLong, David L. Grange, Donald W. Sheppard, James Marks, Rick Francona, Wayne Downing, Robert H. Scales and others, Rumsfeld declared that the American people lack "the maturity to recognize the seriousness of the ‘threats’" -- and need another 9/11.

When DeLong complained about a "lack of sympathetic ears" in Congress, and a lack of interest among the general American public, Rumsfeld responded, "What's to be done? The correction for that, I suppose, is another attack."

This videotape clip is part of a one-hour tape declassified by the Department of Defense in response to a Freedom of Information Act request. The entire clip, and analysis of this damning new revelation, can be found here: "The Correction for that . . . is another attack" (Jason Linkins, Huffington Post, 5/13/08)

For an independent op-ed about the same information, see Rumsfeld's Mind: If 9/11 worked, why not try it again? (Op-Ed News. It was also the topic of discussion on the May 14 broadcast of Nova M Radio’s Mike Malloy Program.

In the seven years since the day, exhaustive and still growing evidence proves beyond any reasonable doubt that the US government, spearheaded by the Bush administration, planned, orchestrated and executed the 9/11 false flag operation. As openly advocated by wide swaths of elites, from the People for the New American Century (PNAC), of which Rumsfeld has been a member, to the likes of Zbigniew Brzezinski (in his The Grand Chessboard), only an attack “on the order of Pearl Harbor” would, in Brzezinski’s words, cause the American people to support an “imperial mobilization,” and a world war.

Sept. 11, and its resulting “war on terrorism” (in Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Guantanamo, Abu Ghraib, etc.), remains the Bush administration’s endless gift from hell, in large part courtesy of Rumsfeld.

Placing the new evidence against previously revealed 9/11-related acts on the part of Rumsfeld, his guilt is overt and obvious. Recall that it was Rumsfeld who enthusiastically penned the "Go Massive" memo, gleefully declaring the Bush administration finally had the green light to kill: “Not only UBL (Usama bin Laden). Go massive. Sweep it all up. Things related and not.”

As the Bush administration’s war ensued in earnest, Rumsfeld gloated to the New York Times that 9/11 provided “the kind of opportunities that World War II offered, to refashion the world.”

It is not for nothing that Donald Rumsfeld was described by legendary war criminal Henry Kissinger as “the most ruthless man I’ve ever known.”

Larry Chin is a frequent contributor to Global Research.  Global Research Articles by Larry Chin
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:52 PM
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12. Tell me something....
what do you know about Larry Chin? Does he have some sort of expertise in this area? Do you know? Or, do you just buy what he's saying because you like it?
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-08 01:24 AM
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14. another site about No Planes scrambling:
This guy reads the change in orders differently than you:
http://911review.com/means/standdown.html
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-08 02:06 AM
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16. OK, so what do you think actually happened?
I'm familiar with what you don't believe about "the events of 9/11"(tm). What then do you think happened? What kinds of plots and schemes and miraculous coincidences infest your heart of hearts when the mystical phrase "the events of 9/11"(tm) flit through your memory?

Just a bulleted summary from mainstream sources will do, kinda like Paul Thompson's timeline, also drawn from mainstream sources and official documents. And best of all, archived video/audio feeds from a gaggle of blown away TV "journalists" who for once in their useless lives quit spinning and just told audiences what they saw and heard.

Like explosions, and more explosions, and more of them from the underground parking areas, and still more from various structural stress points where the joints were that connected the three giant sections of each tower.

Little snippets of reality on those rare occasions of glorious cosmic synchronicity when our official propagandists fuck up -- those slime creatures who create the parallel universe where most Americans seem to live these days because they can't handle real life.

Even the veterans stepped on their tongues that day and actually let their unfiltered impressions escape their lips because fear disabled their customary constraints against telling the truth without checking upstairs first.

So, where do you stand? Still wedded to the most ridiculous conspiracy theory of them all?

How is it possible to possess such acute analytical capabilities and still claim it's logical to assume the Bushies, who haven't told the truth about a single event or issue of any importance since they were embryos, decided to tell the unvarnished truth about "the events of 9/11"(tm)? And why would they do such a thing when their fairy tale makes Swiss cheese seem solid? They were bound to lose control of the whole myth; the story's just too dependent on belief in things that are simply impossible.

How the hell do you manage to make that leap of faith -- because it's faith and trust in a media-created belief system we're talking about here. The evidence is heavily in favor of those who assume that the Bushies just lied as they always do. They had no moment of clarity, had no intention of telling the truth about this or anything else. They continue to rely on US mass media's intentional avoidance of running anything that might disturb the nodding American public.

So what happens is mass media's fairy tale parallel universe enfolds and comforts spineless Americans, letting them avoid even the slightest encounter with the dark and ugly side of how things actually work in the real world. These people believe shit that, by its very nature, proves their boundless ignorance and aversion to facts. This is the audience US mass media targets because they're so gullible they'll buy anything TV tells them to, as long as it's available at Walmart for those low, low prices enabled by slave labor.

The way US media handles news and information has become such a national disgrace and international joke that if I want to find out anything of substance about my own country, the last place I'm going to look is any publication or website that originates here.

Elsewhere in the world, among societies where a relatively free press still digs and investigates and breaks actual news of great importance, people have been comfortable for some time with the high probability that 9/11 was a Cheney/Rumfeld/CIA/USNORTHCOM co-production.

There are 9/11 truth investigations underway all over the EU, and a couple more in South America. Interestingly, these places are, for the most part, expanding rather than abolishing human rights and individual freedoms.

People who live in these places think, with some cause, that Americans are complete fucking idiots to ignore the mountain of evidence pointing directly at the Bushies' role as the 9/11 general contractors. Worse yet, we're even greater complete fucking idiots because we allow these insane monsters to remain in power, untroubled by any legal action or social uprising. And they just keep getting away with shit.

Every day brings another bit of insanity or the expected outrage du jour. And almost nobody notices; even fewer seem to give a damn.

So despite a body of evidence several hundred times greater than what's required to put a young black guy behind bars for 5 to life for stealing a bottle of sparkling water from a 7-11, there they are, our own updated version of the 20th century's greatest war criminals and mass murderers, just walking around like they own the place.

Which is where the beginning and end of this fabulous tale of cognitive dissonance meet. Were it not for those who have decided to give the Bushies more slack than any other criminal conspiracy in recorded history, they would be the ones at Gitmo, clad in orange jumpsuits, crouching in tiny cages, getting bludgeoned by Megadeath or worse at ear-splitting volume for days on end.

But that would be cruel and unusual punishment, to quote an amendment from a largely defunct set of principles defining the social contract in the land of the free. That stuff's for swarthy Arab males who fit the "terrorist profile." Which is to say, they're swarthy Arab males.

And all this crazy shit -- and literally thousands more acts of pure madness -- happened only because "the events of 9/11"(tm) "changed everything" and allowed a right wing coup to grab more power than ever before in US history and use it to fuck up life on earth for as many people as possible -- including our very own domestic population, who are the only terrorists the Bushies are at all concerned about.

200 million armed, pissed off adults, at least 4 percent of whom can actually hit a moving target, presents a real problem that must be dealt with if the coup is to succeed and remain in power.

But "ve haff vays," as they say. Torture at Gitmo is just a PR/advertising campaign to inform the citizenry that dissent can have serious consequences.

So I'd really like to read your take on how all this crap has absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 and what it allowed them to get away with -- while the usual uber-patriotic chowderheads waved flags and pasted on little magnetic ribbons right next to the gas filler on their Dodge Priapic 4X4 Personal Penis Extender with optional 6,000-pound winch (probably "wench" in ObeseBurg USA) and custom ceiling-mounted condom dispenser.

So convince me. That's a formidable job, I know, but I'm sure you're up to the challenge.


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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:15 AM
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6. Do you just make stuff up for giggles
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 11:15 AM by LARED
You can't possibly believe what you're saying.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:33 PM
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8. What I am saying is I don't believe the "official story"
And neither do these guys:
http://aftermathnews.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/military-officers-challenge-official-account-of-september-11th/
Military Officers Challenge Official Account of September 11th
Twenty-five former U.S. military officers have severely criticized the official account of 9/11 and called for a new investigation. They include former commander of U.S. Army Intelligence, Major General Albert Stubblebine, former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense, Col. Ronald D. Ray, two former staff members of the Director of the National Security Agency; Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, PhD, and Major John M. Newman, PhD, and many others. They are among the rapidly growing number of military and intelligence service veterans, scientists, engineers, and architects challenging the government’s story. The officers’ statements appear below, listed alphabetically.

snip... See page for the rest.
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 03:39 PM
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10. Another site about No Planes scrambling:
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
Introduction to Summary of Evidence -

Andrews Air Force Base is a huge military installation just 10 miles from the Pentagon.

On 11 September Andrews had two squadrons of fighter jets with the job of protecting the skies over Washington D.C. They failed to do their job. Despite over one hour's advance warning of a terrorist attack in progress, not a single Andrews fighter took off (or scrambled) to protect the city.

The FAA, NORAD and the military have cooperative procedures by which fighter jets intercept commercial aircraft under emergency conditions. These procedures were not followed.

Air Force officials and others have tried to explain away the failures:

"Air Force Lt. Col. Vic Warzinski, another Pentagon spokesman, : 'The Pentagon was simply not aware that this aircraft was coming our way, and I doubt prior to Tuesday's event, anyone would have expected anything like that here.'"
--'Newsday,' 23 September 2001 (1)

Using information from the mass media and official Websites, we will show that this is a lie.

Some of what happened on 9-11, such as planes flying into buildings, is unusual. But most of what happened, such as commercial jets flying off-course, transponder failures and possible hijackings, are everyday emergencies. We will show that these emergencies are routinely handled with expert efficiency based on clear rules.

The crash of the first hijacked jet into the World Trade Center made it clear the United States was faced with an extraordinary situation. This should have intensified the emergency responses of the air safety and air defense systems.

The whole country was aware. For example, at 9:06 AM the NY Police broadcast:

" 'This was a terrorist attack. Notify the Pentagon.'"
--'Daily News' (New York) 12 September 2001 (2)

'American Forces Press Service' reported that ordinary people working at the Pentagon worried they could be next:

"'We were watching the World Trade Center on the television,' said a Navy officer. 'When the second plane deliberately dove into the tower, someone said, 'The World Trade Center is one of the most recognizable symbols of America. We're sitting in a close second.'"
--'DEFENSELINK News', Sept. 13, 2001 (3)

U.S. air safety and air defense emergency systems are activated in response to problems every day. On 9-11 they failed despite, not because of, the extreme nature of the emergency. This could only happen if individuals in high positions worked in a coordinated way to make them fail.

Such operatives would almost surely have failed if they tried to disrupt and abort routine protection systems without top-level support. The failure of the emergency systems would be noticed immediately. Moreover, given the catastrophic nature of the attacks, the highest military authorities would be alerted. Acting on their own, the operatives could expect that their orders would be countermanded and that they themselves would be arrested.

The sabotage of routine protective systems, controlled by strict hierarchies, would never have been contemplated let alone attempted absent the involvement of the supreme U.S. military command. This includes at least U.S. President George Bush, U.S. Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and the then-Acting Head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Force General Richard B. Myers.

In the following summary of evidence we will demonstrate probable cause for charging the above-named persons with treason for complicity in the murders of thousands of people whom they had sworn to protect.

The summary of evidence covers the following areas:

* Andrews Air Force Base and the myth of 'no available planes;'

* The air safety/air defense systems and the myth that they were not prepared;

* The actions of George Bush on 9-11 that clearly violated his positive legal and constitutional obligations and demonstrated consciousness of guilt;

* The testimony of General Richard B. Myers at Senate hearings on his nomination as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. In these hearings, the contents of which were reported accurately by one lone journalist, General Myers attempted to cover up what had happened 9-11 when he was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He offered three mutually contradictory cover stories and demonstrated consciousness of guilt;

* The cover story floated by CBS evening news, September 14th.
Until that time, officials reported that no planes had been 'scrambled' to intercept the hijacked planes. But following Gen. Myers disastrous Senate testimony, CBS broadcast an improved version of 9-11. In the new script, fighter jets from Otis and Langley Air Force Bases did try, but failed, to intercept the hijacked planes. This is now presented as the official NORAD story and has been repeated uncritically by media and government officials alike. We will demonstrate that this cover story is both weak and incriminating.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 06:54 PM
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13. Have you noticed that everything you post is from....
conspiracy theory websites? Did you, in fact, try to fact-check or falsify any parts of them?
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AnotherDreamWeaver Donating Member (917 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 04:06 PM
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11. Haven't been to this site in a while
Looking for the information about rummy I had seen long ago, I found this new information posted on a site I hadn't visited in a while:
http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_11_02_lucy.html

60. Sept. 11, 2001 - The National Reconnaissance Office (NRO), the federal agency that runs many of the nation's spy satellites, schedules an exercise involving a plane crashing into one of the agency's buildings. "On the morning of Sept. 11, 2001," according to a website advertising a homeland security conference in Chicago run by the National Law Enforcement and Security Institute, CIA official John Fulton and his team "were running a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building. Little did they know that the scenario would come true in a dramatic way." Fulton is the head of the NRO's strategic gaming division. http://www.nlsi.net, http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20020821/ap_wo_en_ge/us_sept_11_plane_exercise_1>

61. Sept. 11, 2001 - After the attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon occur, National Public Radio's congressional correspondent David Welna reports, "I spoke with congressman Ike Skelton, a Democrat from Missouri and a member of the Armed Services Committee, who said that just recently the director of the CIA warned that there could be an attack -- an imminent attack - on the United States of this nature. So this is not entirely unexpected." http://www.thememoryhole.org/updates.htm>
______________

This movie mentioned in the OP exposes the fraud of the 9/11 "Myth/Conspiracy" promoted by our government and media. I think the exposing of this fraud is the means to establish a true governing body that will represent the Citizens of our Nation rather than the Corporation with their lobbyist. A governing body with people like Dennis Kucinich, Cynthy McKinney and the Beloved Paul Wellstone, rest his soul.

Thank You,
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 02:36 PM
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9. Thanks
Edited on Sat Sep-13-08 02:59 PM by seemslikeadream
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