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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 01:18 PM
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Steve R. Pieczenik
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 01:32 PM by seemslikeadream
If you haven't heard what Pieczenik has said about 9/11, check it out if you can find it on the tubes.




THIS IS NO JOKE

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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 01:53 PM
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1. Well. at least this post is not ponderously long...
even thought it is incoherent.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 04:10 PM
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2. I would have given up trying to please you long ago
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 04:50 PM by seemslikeadream
but one can not manifest something that was never intented





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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. The fact that there is no link
and a quick cursory google, seems to indicate any website about Pieczenik's work will be either verboten to post on DU or a wackadoddle site filled with CT woo.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 07:35 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. sorry try again
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 07:45 PM by seemslikeadream
:eyes:
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:24 PM
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12. And this is relevant to 9/11 in what way?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 10:25 PM by LARED
A couple of posts with his CV and his role in negotiating with the Red Brigade, but still nothing about 9/11?

Very mysterious.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:29 PM
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13. oh there is out there in tube land an interview about 9/11
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 10:34 PM by seemslikeadream

















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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:30 PM
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15. So why not post a link? nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:31 PM
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16. I don't feel like it?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 10:32 PM by seemslikeadream
:shrug:













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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:33 PM
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17. I bet you can't link to it because
it would be a link to a wackadoodle site.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:33 PM
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18. That's for me to know and you t o find out
I guess :shrug:



















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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:34 PM
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19. What ever floats your boat. bye.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:35 PM
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20. At least he is not an anti-Semite
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 10:36 PM by seemslikeadream
That I know of
























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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 07:37 PM
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5.  Harvard-educated psychiatrist
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 07:44 PM by seemslikeadream
He is a Harvard-educated psychiatrist with an M.D. from Cornell University and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T. Dr. Pieczenik served four presidential administrations as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State, International Crisis Manager, and Hostage Negotiator.

http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html
Dr. Steve Pieczenik is a critically acclaimed author of psycho-political thrillers and the co-creator of the New York Times best-selling "Tom Clancy's Op-Center" and "Tom Clancy's Net Force" book series. He is also one of the world's most experienced international crisis managers and hostage negotiators. His novels are based on his twenty years experience in resolving international crises for four U.S. administrations.

Dr. Pieczenik trained in Psychiatry at Harvard and has both an M.D. from Cornell University Medical College and a Ph.D. in International Relations from M.I.T. He was the first psychiatrist ever to receive a PhD. focusing on international relations. He served as a Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and/or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker.

During his career as a senior State Department official, Dr. Pieczenik utilized his unique abilities and expertise to develop strategies and tactics that were instrumental in resolving major conflicts in Asia, the Middle East, Latin America, Europe and the United States.

Dr. Pieczenik was the principal International Crisis Manager and Hostage Negotiator under Secretaries Kissinger and Vance. During this time he developed conflict resolution techniques that were instrumental in saving over five hundred hostages in different terrorist episodes, including the Hanafi Moslem Seizure in Washington, DC, the TWA Croatian Hijacking, the Aldo Moro Kidnapping, the JRA Hijacking, the PLO Hijacking, and many other incidents involving terrorists such as Idi Amin, Muammar Quaddafi, Carlos, FARC, Abu Nidal and Saddam Hussein.

Dr. Pieczenik helped develop negotiation strategies for major U.S.- Soviet arms control summits under the Reagan administration. He was also involved in advising senior officials on important psycho-political dynamics and conflict mediation strategies for President Carter's successful Camp David Peace Conference. In 1991, Dr. Pieczenik was a chief architect of the Cambodian Peace Conference in Paris. He is currently an advisor to the Department of Defense.


Dr. Pieczenik has started several successful companies, employing his methodologies in various industries, including investment banking, publishing and television/film.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 07:48 PM
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6. US envoy admits role in Aldo Moro killing
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 08:36 PM by seemslikeadream
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1581425/US-envoy-admits-role-in-Aldo-Moro-killing.html

US envoy admits role in Aldo Moro killing

By Malcolm Moore in Rome
Last Updated: 1:59AM GMT 16 Mar 2008

Aldo Moro, the former Italian prime minister, who was seized at gunpoint by the Red Brigades in 1978
An American envoy has claimed that he played a critical role in the fate of Aldo Moro, the former Italian prime minister who was murdered by terrorists in 1978.

Steve Pieczenik, an international crisis manager and hostage negotiator in the State Department, said that Moro had been "sacrificed" for the "stability" of Italy.


In a new book called We Killed Aldo Moro, Mr Pieczenik said he was sent to Italy by President Jimmy Carter on the day that Moro was kidnapped by the Red Brigades, a far-Left terrorist group.

Moro, who had been prime minister for a total of more than five years between 1963 and 1976, was snatched at gunpoint from his car in Rome.

He had been heading to parliament for a crucial vote on a ground-breaking alliance he had proposed between the Christian Democrat Party and the Italian Communist Party.

The alliance enraged both sides of the political spectrum in Italy, and also upset both Moscow and Washington.

Moro's widow, Eleonora, later said Henry Kissinger had warned her husband against his strategy. "You will pay dearly for it," he is alleged to have said.

Mr Pieczenik said he was part of a "crisis committee" headed by Francesco Cossiga, the interior minister.

Moro was held for 54 days. Mr Pieczenik said the committee was jolted into action by the fear that Moro would reveal state secrets in an attempt to free himself.

A false statement, attributed to the Red Brigades, was leaked saying that Moro was dead.

Mr Pieczenick said that this had a dual purpose; to prepare the Italian public for the worst, and to let the Red Brigades know that the state would not negotiate for Moro, and considered him already dead.

The following month, Moro was shot and placed in the back of a car in central Rome, midway between the headquarters of the Communist Party and the Christian Democrats.

In a documentary on French television last weekend, Mr Cossiga admitted the committee had taken the decision to release the false statement.




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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #6
24. It is to laugh
Needless to say, the Aldo Moro case is the font of all conspiracy theories in Italian culture, so I applaud you for your wide range on these matters. It is not helped by the outrageous behavior of the Italian state in the aftermath of the murder, not least their round up of intellectuals and the ludicrous charges made against such people as Antonio Negri as part of the crackdown. The rest of the article - from a perspective of Italian history - is drivel. The notion that "Moscow" had any hopes in the PCI after 1970 is just funny. The historic compromise between the PCI and the DC dates to 1973-74, though certainly, the parliamentary acts of 1978 served to formalize a relationship that had already defanged CGIL by the early 70's, which is what led directly to the Autonomia Movement of '77 (and, for that matter, the transformation of the Red Brigades anyway). That Kissinger would disapprove of the compromesso storico is also ridiculous: it accrued precisely to the benefit of the industrial class and the DC, because it completely crippled the unions, which had won major concessions during the 1968-169 cycle of struggles (the Hot Autumn), as well as the 1973-74 strikes.
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Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:04 AM
Response to Reply #24
26. Shame what happened to Mino Pecorelli, wasn't it, alcibiades? n/t
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:57 AM
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27. There's a reason why Italians call the 1970's the "Years of Lead"
It has nothing to do with pencils.

If you're looking for murders to pin on Andreotti, indirectly or otherwise, you'll find no shortage, I assure you. Whether that indicates some grand conspiracy is another matter altogether.
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Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:29 AM
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28. I didn't pin anything on him; an Italian court did
Andreotti was convicted in the murder case, which was later overturned.

I don't suspect you want to defend him, or do you?

Talk of a 'grand conspiracy' is distracting. But I would be interested in your reasons for doubting the veracity of Pecorelli's widow's contention about Kissinger.
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:12 PM
Response to Reply #28
30. If you're referring to Moro's widow's contentions about Kissinger
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 12:44 PM by alcibiades_mystery
I'm making a more general claim that the neoconservative branch of the US government was never against the historic compromise as a method for destroying the Italian labor movement.

The notion that I would defend Andreotti of anything is repugnant. He was a murderer pure and simple, though whether we should focus on something like the Pecorelli murder or the more general police repression of the state apparatus and the strategy of tension is the telling question, I guess.
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Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. thanks for the reply n/t
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:12 PM
Response to Original message
7. Tom Clancy, anti-semitism, ages 9 - 11.
Thanks, that was educational.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Tom Clancy is an anti-semite?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 09:58 PM by seemslikeadream
I didn't know that

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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:46 PM
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9. He's also between 9 and 11 years old.
:eyes:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. He is only 9 - 11 years old?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 09:58 PM by seemslikeadream
what a coincidence

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #7
11. So you say Tom Clancey is an anti-semite?
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 02:25 AM
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25. Jebus crisco.
Your vague OP says "check it out if you can find it on the tubes", referring to Steve R. Pieczenik & 9/11. I gave a brief summary of the search results. 3 different items separated by commas.

www.useit.com/papers/webwriting/



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:38 AM
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29. then I guess that proves you don't know how to google
too bad
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #29
60. Why should anyone waste time on a scavenger hunt?
Put up or shut up.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-15-09 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #60
61. I'm a day ahead of you so you can take part of your own advice
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #61
62. Yeah, with your unlinked text from a well-known junk site LOL
Kinda like your TrineDay book promotions, eh? Hee hee.

I can't say I find the interview (when you finally posted it) particularly convincing of anything, other than that they guy has an opinion.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:15 AM
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63. It was linked elsewhere why or why do you not read a thread before posting in it?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-16-09 12:16 AM
Response to Reply #62
64. oh never mind I know exactly why, no need to trouble yourself
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:30 PM
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14. and this is relevant to the OP how?
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 10:33 PM by seemslikeadream
It has NOTHING NADA ZILCH to do with the OP, so why? Just so you can get in your anti-Semitic remark?
























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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:53 AM
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22. The OP has nothing to do with the OP (n/t)
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 01:16 AM
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23. @!$% #$!
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 01:18 AM by seemslikeadream
and I mean that in the most sincere way
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-09 10:55 PM
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21. Found several entries leading to a dead link
Edited on Mon Jan-12-09 10:58 PM by Kaleko
on infowars.com., the Alex Jones site.

STEVE PIECZENIK

Dr. Pieczenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, and James Baker. He is a Member of the Council on Foreign Relations

Interview of Steve R. Pieczenik on Alex Jones Show April 24, 2002 (Partial Transcript)http://www.infowars.com/pieczenik_transcript.htm


It seems I wasted my time.



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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 12:29 PM
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31. His words from a radio interview, no link sorry, believe it or not I don't care
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 01:05 PM by seemslikeadream
You know, what I said was, this is following issue.

Right, but we are talking about bin Laden. The issue is what the relationship is between the bin Laden family and the Bush family. It's much more complicated than has been revealed, than has been revealed by anyone. And that is that it goes back for several decades.



It goes back, exactly. They have now, Bush, Sr, who I have served as well, and Bush, Jr. have literally gone to the bin Laden family and the Carlyle Group. This is the private equity group here in Washington, which the bin Laden family have been in. And they claimed they only had 2 million dollars, but my sense is that it was far more extensive, that they owned all kinds of companies, including one of the largest conglomerates in our military contracting. And bin Laden was, remember, our ally, supposedly our ally in 1979, '80, when he worked with us to drive the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan. He was just a young kid.



Right, and that he then turned against us and we created a political Frankenstein. And that's not the first time we've done that and this is what I want to tell your audience.


It's blowback, exactly. And what I was saying about a blowback was that if we tend to have a pattern here in the United States and it has to do, I think primarily with the fact that we don't have good intelligence or good CIA capability to handle all of our so-called in between or gray-zone friends/enemies. And what happens is we just dump them. It was the same thing with Noriega. We had to go in and send in 22,000 troops. It was the same thing with Saddam Hussein, we fought with him for five years against Iran. We killed over a million people. We supplied him with the actual biological and chemical weapons. It was the CIA that did that. Suddenly we find ourselves at war with him. That was a blowback. Then we go to war and we don't finish the war. Now we are going back to war again. And I am trying to say, wait a minute guys, if you messed up the first time, what makes you think you are going to do it again the second time. And so we have a blowback with Osama. But what made it more difficult was, I found out through my sources that he had had kidney disease. And as a physician, I knew that he had to have two dialysis machines and he was dying. And you could see those in those films, those made-up photos that they were sending us out of nowhere. I mean, suddenly, we would see a video of bin Laden today and then out of nowhere, they said oh it was sent to us anonymously, meaning that someone in the government, our government, was trying to keep up the morale on our side and say oh we still have to chase this guy when, in fact, he's been dead for months.


You've got it. I mean the whole thing was a, I mean it was such a hoax. I mean I said you would have to be, you know, blind and stupid to not realize that this is really being manipulating in trying to manipulate us.


It's not the kind of thing that I would do to the American public. But the more important part was that ...



Well, I don't have a very good explanation. I was shocked as well as you were in that what is a Station Chief doing seeing Osama bin Laden when he was already declared an international war criminal under the previous administration and then the Station Chief testified, with several others, that the whole family the notion that the family of bin Laden when they evacuated and left this country and then was subsequently interviewed, said they had no relation with bin Laden and that they didn't know where he was and all that nonsense. It's just sheer nonsense. And so when that popped up and I saw that, I said there is a lot of things going on here that don't make sense. And that means that they are using bin Laden in a way that the United States government or you call Big Brother is basically using it in a very, ah, ah, ah, how should I say this, nefarious, in a very dangerous way to manipulate the American public.


Well, it's a pretext to get, I don't know if I would say more control. They are not very good at controlling this. Because it's really, it has really discredited the ability of the government to handle a simple situation without having to insult the intelligence of the American citizen.



Oh yeah, in Reno, Nevada, where literally the police came and just took me away. And I said, what are you after? They searched me three to four times. I said, look you know, I've written these profiles. They didn't answer anything. That's called preventative detention. I said am I under arrest? They said no. I said what are you holding me for? And, can I tell you, well I won't use that language on the air what I said to them but basically, this kind of activity is just totally unacceptable for the United States of America.



I use what is called, I call it crisis management. I'm not sure I'm the original one, but I've used it for most of my life and basically every crisis from Arafat, in evacuating our soldiers, to evacuating our civilians, to going into hot spots in Cambodia and trying to stop Pol Pot from another killing field and still being on the hit list of a lot of terrorist groups all over the world. Still on the number one hit list of the Red Brigade in Italy, they still want me.


I don't want you to think of me as a CFR, all I did was pay dues. I'm haven't attended a meeting in four or five years. So if you could use another title, I'd appreciate it.


Well, it's not a good situation but it basically says to me that this is an orchestrated type of war and I think that I didn't want to believe it for a very long time. And then I said that somebody is orchestrating something here with the agreement of the bin Laden family, knowing fully well that he would die. And I think that Musharraf, the President of Pakistan, spelled the beans by accident three months ago when he said that bin Laden was dead because his kidney dialysis machines were destroyed in East Afghanistan. Well, he was one of few that knew that he had a kidney problem. That wasn't well known before. Everybody thought he had a heart disease



That was confirmed that he had kidney disease. So, what happened there is that we have Bush, Sr., Bush, Jr, dealing with the bin Laden family and then going to war with this organization that we effectively created in 1970s and 80s, when we drove out the Soviet Union. And that was the conversion, again blowback, of the young mujahideen where we gave them armament through the CIA again and that was no great secret. Everybody knew that and then there was a blowback.


Well what I am saying is, I mean as a deputy assistant, what I am saying is that I am coming to the same conclusion that you came to. And that is, and I hope I'm wrong, but more and more evidence points to the fact that somehow, given who the people are that they appointed to the Dept. of Defense, they were civilians who had never been in the military. The same guys who were in Iran-Contra dealings. And then you have the same people who are involved with Saddam Hussein Cheney and you have Condoleezza Rice who really wasn't all that much impression and the same whole cast, very tightly controlled and they are managing something that doesn't make sense to me. And that is, yeah there was an attack on the World Trade Center, yet we don't really know who did it. And the president shows and says well here I have the evidence that bin Laden did it. Well, if bin Laden did it, then why was the first mention and the first order that was given, and I think you would remember this, so would your audience, is the FBI has to evacuate the entire family. If you were to go into a criminal scene or investigation, you wouldn't say to everybody there, if you wanted to know who the culprit is, and you say oh that's the culprit, let's get rid of the whole family and not ask anybody any questions. That was a big mistake.


That's exactly right. And so the question becomes, what's going on here? And then the last one is of course is the fourth plane which had seventy-five minutes, in other words, those of you who are particularly fighter pilots understand this. You can't fly at about three or four-hundred feet off the ground and at seventy-five minutes out, you have to go out to the Chesapeake and the ocean and you are telling me that we couldn't get fighter planes in there? When we had already had two attacks and you are telling me that that was not a military pilot who was trained to crash into the Dept. of Defense? That's unbelievable and that was a sleeper. So, I can't put that all together, but I'll put all together and it's not a good picture.


The guy, the one flying that plane into the Dept. of Defense. Those guys were sleepers. I mean you've got to explain, does your audience understand what, a sleeper is a concept that came out and it's actually, they are agents that are trained that came out of the old cold war where the Russians would create and have individuals who were trained to kill and then they would be activated many years later. If you saw the movie, The Manchurian Candidate, you'd get a good idea of that.


MKUltra mind control, exactly.


It is very disturbing to me as it is to anyone of our American citizens who is not buying it.

I went public with this, no, I went public, well I've always been kind of a maverick. But I was offered an O7, and I said look I work alone, I'm a singleton basically and I work on my own and I work for my country. I never got a pension. I never really got paid much for what I did. I often had to pay back most of the expenses. I'm not telling you how great I am as an American. But as an American citizen, the reason that I went public, the first thing that bothered me was when Vice President Cheney was (garbled) for having had at Haliburton, and that big corporation that he had in oil, which he was given $35 million for all his knowledge in oil which he had none of, he had been a former secretary of defense, he had put in a embargo on Iraq and then he denied that he didn't know anything about the embargo the fact that they had violated the embargo by having a $75 million joint venture with Iraq and at that point I said, that was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. Cheney was just outright lying and he committed a crime by violating an embargo. And I said these guys are in trouble and I'm going out publicly to say this can't continue. Not as an American citizen, I'm not going back to war. I'm not going back and letting American soldiers die for something that may have been concocted or created. It's one thing if we are attacked by the Nazis or the Japanese or something. I'm not denying that we were attacked. The question is who did what and how it was orchestrated and if it was orchestrated, then we have a real problem and that will destroy our democracy. That's why I went public and you know that.


Well, it's earth shattering for me, too. It was the kind of thing that I wouldn't want to believe. I mean, you know it's not like I just came out of the closet and I was a whistle blower. I want the audience to understand. I'm a patriot and I've always felt strongly that the reason that I served my country is because it's an honor to serve, to serve the people. I don't serve a institution or a government that got out of control. And by the way, I wrote a book about this years ago, called State of Emergency where I said that we are going to have fights about the devolution of federal power, but basically it was over water rights in the Colorado River and occurred over Nevada and Arizona and that's what's happening it's States vs. federal rights.


You got it. And let's go back to that. And then whats bothering me and I think you articulated it better than I have was I didn't want to believe what I was putting together. And you are beginning to articulate it and this has been going on for well over six to nine months. I mean I have been saying for a long time even to the individuals involved and whom I know personally in the White House and elsewhere, you are making a mistake by bringing in the people that you are doing, you are signaling to those of us who are knowledgeable these are not serious people. These are people who have caused problems in the past. And something is going on here. And that's why when you get a guy like Cheney, Vice President, believe me this is a micromanager. There is nothing that goes by that he does not know and that's the reason he's got five heart attacks. But I don't find him, not one of them has served in the military, other than Armitage. But not one of them has ever....


Okay, well I'm not surprised, part of the neocon group again is a conservative group of guys who come from the extreme left that suddenly have an epiphany and go to the extreme right. So one of the reasons that I was concerned is that we're heading in for a war that is partly orchestrated by us and we went into Afghanistan and that was one of the phoniest things that I have ever seen where General Kelly said, and he finally admitted, that we made a mistake. We used these war lords as the surrogates for fighting instead of American soldiers. And I'm saying, what is this a joke? I mean what idiot is going to believe that. I mean anyone who knows the war lords, knows that they are the most distrustful, dishonest guys in the world. They run narco traffic through Afghanistan. We went through this before after ten years, twenty years before. So what is this nonsense about suddenly we win a war in Kandahar and Mazar-e-Sharif in twenty minutes and it turns out we didn't win anything. What happened it was a revolving door. Everything that we were going after, al Qaeda, they took in and made their exchanges and then it had to do with issues of a pipeline being put down in the north of Afghanistan. It goes back to the Carlyle Group and Unocal. Unocal, then I started checking the records, put up a one-hundred billion dollar bid and this is open record. You can check it in front of the Congressional committee and UNOCAL and that's one of the big five put up one-hundred billion to put up an oil pipeline up to the Caspian Sea to that base where they found trillions of gallons of barrels of oil and we could dump the Middle East that way. And that started to explain to me well, you've got Cheney, you got Bush, the oil boys, they are concerned about that pipline, you've got the Carlyle Group and then you've got the neocons forcing us to get into wars with people who have weapons of mass destruction. Well, there are a lot of countries that have weapons of mass destruction. That doesn't mean we go to war with them.


No way, I'm an American. The one thing you don't do as an American is you don't play and mess with my constitutional freedom. I don't care who you are, what your name is, what you think you are. When you mess with that, you are going to see me retaliate. And I warned the White House. I warned them, quite frankly. Some of the people who are involved because they know me well. I said if I can help you up there and I helped both Bushes to get elected. Trust me, I'm going to help bring you down because you don't play with the American public and their freedom. And you don't play with lives, American soldiers lives that I value, because not only am I a physician but having been in wars, seeing these boys die for who, for whom, and the answer is no - as long as I live and I have a breath, I will still fight for that constitution. The constitution was based, created by men who understood what it meant not to centralize power, to make sure that we had the freedom of the individual and that the individual was more important than the State.



We are not producing anything. We've become a third-world country. Right now you've got China is a big problem. They are producing more than we are. And what are we sending out billions of dollars. We are creating a nonsense organization, Homeland Security. I've never heard of such idiocy. Seventy-six billion dollars for a man who has never run anything, totally emasculated, Tom Ridge, a nice man, as a governor who doesn't know anything. He never saw a terrorist in his life.



Well, I don't want to go that far but the point is what came out of the seventy-six billion dollars. You got the color red, yellow, green and blue to tell me, what am I supposed to do? What am I supposed to do?


Let me recap it very simply so that I make my position. I have not just suddenly come out of the closet. I've come out in a very distinct position my whole life. I stand by what I believe. I have served different administrations not because I served the administration but I served the American public. That's the way I viewed it. I was the only one who resigned. I mean Cyrus Vance is proud that he resigned on Carter but I resigned over Cyrus Vance's handling of the Iran hostage siege because he sent me one of these left wing nuts by the name of Ramsey Clark. I knew we would never have a chance to deal with the hostage negotiation and like chess, when you open up the move, you lose a lot of time. And we were in deep trouble. So, I said Mr. Secretary, you are incompetent. And so I quit and that's the kind of guy I am. And that's why I'm not in this administration or others. When they called me in, believe me, there is a lot that hit the fan. And the reason why I come back in is because I cleaned it up for the American public. Not for the president who's elected, not for the people there because they have become too self-important. What we have created, it's not a democracy but we created for ourselves is common royalty. And they think they are that indispensable and the answer is no man is indispensable to lead this country. No man. And every citizen is indispensable. And when you get to that point where we have to salute the flag we have five different police forces here in Washington and jet planes flying overhead. Give me a break. And that's what I believe in. The American way of life is very simple. Let's us do what we do. Leave us alone. Don't get in my back pocket and don't come into my bedroom. That's how I believe.







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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 08:11 PM
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33. When all else fails, resort to incoherent AND ponderously long....
typical SLAD....
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:34 PM
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34. I will take that as an extreme compliment coming from YOU SD
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 10:35 PM by seemslikeadream











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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 11:21 AM
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42. Your lack of comprehension is a problem, SLAD
Have you ever noticed how often you wind up at odds with other posters here? Do you think it might have something to do with your unclear writing style?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:34 PM
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35. I found a link that tells me this is an Alex Jones interview.
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 10:42 PM by LARED
http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg91273.html

Seems someone is removing the Alex Jones questions and comments.

Verrrrry interesting.

http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=Pieczenik+site%3Ainfowars.com&btnG=Google+Search&aq=-1&oq=
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:49 PM
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36. oh I thought AJ links were forbidden here, thanks
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 10:54 PM by seemslikeadream
I wish I had seen that, great the whole interview


Can you find the youtube for me now? Pretty please?





THIS IS NO JOKE
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:53 PM
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37. I can only guess that's why you hid this fact from your OP. nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. keep guessing
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 11:00 PM by seemslikeadream
I didn't "hide" anything




THIS IS NO JOKE
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-09 11:09 PM
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39. Well that's my guess, and I'd guess others will see it as you
Edited on Tue Jan-13-09 11:10 PM by LARED
attempting to hide the fact that this is Alex Jones interview, hence hopelessly inaccurate and overflowing with woo.

People are free to decide for themselves.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 11:23 AM
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43. I'm with you, Lared....
this is typical SLAD and one of the many reasons she ends up at odds with a host of posters. It's like clockwork.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:02 PM
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44. Deleted message
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:05 PM
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45. Jesus, this time even the headline of your post is....
incoherent.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:06 PM
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47. ........
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 05:07 PM by seemslikeadream
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:12 PM
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48. Could you please tell me what....
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 05:33 PM by SDuderstadt
"HOST OF ALL 4 POSTERS IN THIS FORUM THAT IS ALL PERIOD" means? I seem to have lost my SLAD to English dictionary. Most of the time I have no idea wtf you are babbling about.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:22 PM
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49. I could give a flying fuck what you understand and what you don't understand
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:34 PM
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50. Which probably explains why you don't write for comprehension....
maybe you just like the thrill of posting without regard to cohesion, coherence and succinctness.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:05 PM
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46. Deleted sub-thread
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 06:54 PM
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54. It's difficult to imagine a some other way to post the transcript
without purposefully sanitizing all references to Alex Jones.

There is exactly one link to the transcript, and AJ is the interviewee.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 07:22 AM
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40. Why is "hide" in quotes? nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 07:24 AM
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41. because it is YOUR word
:shrug:


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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:42 PM
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51. scare quotes ward off cooties n/t
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 06:53 PM
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53. Then why pray tell are you still here?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 06:56 PM
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55. It's rather unusual to quote a single word from a sentence
but hey, I've given up attempting to figure out what you post most of the time anyway.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 06:58 PM
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57. Thank god
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BunnyBluetimes Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 05:43 PM
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52. WHY SO SERIOUS?
Edited on Wed Jan-14-09 05:45 PM by BunnyBluetimes
This is the tightest poster I've ever seen. Give me all you got.

:yourock:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 06:57 PM
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56. Thanks and welcome to the dungeon BunnyBluetimes
:hi:


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BunnyBluetimes Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 07:10 PM
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58. !!?DUNGEON?!! oooooh You're speaking my Language
Thanks back at you too I Love this place:loveya: :hi:
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-14-09 07:33 PM
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59. Never a dull moment
flies and nats everywhere, BEWARE!
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