How many OTHER high-profile bombings, fires, school shootings, etc. have been covert ops?

[bottomtheweaver]

I looked into the Our Lady of the Angels fire, a notorious elementary school fire in Chicago that killed 92 students and three teachers on December 1, 1958, and what do you know:

1) the school had been recently inspected, and while overcrowded, was perfectly safe, with at least five exits on the second floor;

2) the fire spread with frightening speed, completely unnoticed, until students in second floor classrooms were suddenly trapped;

3) the roof collapsed at 2:55, 13 minutes after the first call had come in to the Chicago FD, from the rectory housekeeper, at 2:42;

4) the official cause remains "undetermined" although fingers have been pointed at the janitor (who had four kids of his own in the school) and a 10-year old fifth-grader (who couldn't possibly have done it); and the piece-de-resistance,

5) the asbestos industry was facing extinction that year due to a study underway linking asbestos exposure to mesothelioma. Surprise, they wound up mining more of the stuff AFTER the mesothelioma report became public in 1960 as a result of the huge press attention the OLA fire received:

In the early twentieth century, asbestos had a reputation as a lifesaver. In 1960, however, it became known that even relatively brief exposure to asbestos can cause mesothelioma, a virulent and lethal cancer. Yet the bulk of the world's asbestos was mined after 1960. Asbestos usage in many countries continued unabated. . . . the asbestos industry and its allies in government, insurance, and medicine defended the product throughout the twentieth century. . . . despite overwhelming medical evidence as to the risks. . . . asbestos has proved so enduring because the industry was able to mount a successful defense strategy for the mineral--a strategy that still operates in some parts of the world. This defence involved the shaping of the public debate by censoring, and sometimes corrupting, scientific research, nurturing scientific uncertainty, and using allies in government, insurance, and medicine.

http://books.google.com/books?id=CWTeH9GJsfgC&dq=The+Global+Asbestos+Industry&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0

So how many other big wedding "tragedies" have been hit jobs? Columbine? V-Tech? Maybe ALL of them?

[hack89]

1. We look forward to you actually providing some proof. nt

[bottomtheweaver]

2. What would you like me to prove?

That the officials charged with investigating this fire chose not to reach an official conclusion as to the cause? You can read the 1959 NFPA fire report yourself right here:

http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files//PDF/Lady_of_Angels_report.pdf

[hack89]

4. No .. it is the leap to covert op I am interested in

the report makes no suggestion of foul play - it simply says that there is no physical evidence that proves what the cause of the fire was. Perhaps they didn't reach an official conclusion because it would simply be conjecture without supporting evidence?

[bottomtheweaver]

5. The book pushing the boy arson theory was co-authored by, surprise, a firefighter-arsonist

one convicted of torching a Chicago church no less:

"Firefighter-author sentenced for church arson," Mon Dec-19-05:

David Cowan . . . pleaded guilty to one count of arson. . . . Cowan was arrested in June and charged with setting fire to a storage building adjacent to St. Benedict Church, 2215 W. Irving Park Rd. . . .

The defendant was co-author of "To Sleep With the Angels: The Story of a Fire," considered the authoritative work on the Our Lady of the Angels blaze that killed 92 children and three nuns.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-051219arson,1,7582561.story?coll=chi-news-hed

Getting the picture now?

[hack89]

8. So?

Who is pushing the covert op theory and where is their evidence? Perhaps Cowen's fascination with fires is why he wrote about the fire in the first place? Occam's Razor and all that.

[bottomtheweaver]

9. There's an arsenal of smoking guns for anyone who cares to look

but what they boil down to is this:

(a) none of the other suspects -- the janitor, the fifth-grader, or some unidentified student "sneaking a smoke" -- could have started the fire in any of the scenarios officially or semi-officially floated since the day the school burned;

(b) the fire seems clearly to have been arson and to have been professionally set, probably with a military incendiary device or accelerant; and

(c) the biggest beneficiary of the replacement building boom sparked by the publicity surrounding the OLA fire was the global asbestos mining industry, which roared back from the grave to peddle its carcinogenic wares to manufacturers of every conceivable product, including floor, wall, ceiling, and decorative exterior finishes; insulation in walls, around pipes, in ducts, heating and light fixtures; curtains, furniture, and on and on, thanks to the national wave of fear inspired by the terrifying school fire no one has been allowed to forget.

In other words, only the asbestos mining industry had the motive, and through our intelligence community, means and opportunity to use state-sponsored terra -- a must in any GOP administration -- to drum up business.

[Realityhack]

10. Fallacy - Post hoc ergo propter hoc n/t

[bottomtheweaver]

11. Wrong because causality is not what's in dispute.

The asbestos industry prospered because the OLA school burned. That relationship is as much a fact as that California building codes were stiffened because of the San Francisco earthquake. What I'm claiming is that the relationship is not coincidental.

[hack89]

12. You are claiming - OK. Now prove it

please don't be offended if we simply don't take it purely on your word. Even you must agree that there is little hard evidence behind your claim.

[Realityhack]

15. You are saying...

that they benefited and therefore they are responsible.

That is post hoc ergo proter hoc

I am not convinced that before the fire the results for the asbestos industry were entirely definite, and even if they were you then have to overcome the fact that this does not equal causation.

[wildbilln864]

43. occam's razor should only be used in scientific research...

not where human behavior is involved! :eyes:

[DinahMoeHum]

3. Your tinfoil hat is on too tight, bub.

sometimes shit just happens, and a cigar is just a cigar.

[bottomtheweaver]

6. When it just happens to have saved the bacon of the asbestos industry

who also just happened to have had their bacon saved by 911, it didn't just happen. No doubt some kickback-hungry politician (Nixon would be my guess) signed the authorization for a top secret covert op in the interest of "national security," and some sadistic bureaucratic beavers, probably the same ones who tried to get Kennedy to authorize Northwoods two years later, got busy.

[LARED]

14. Mind explaining exactly how 9/11 saved the bacon of the

asbestos industry, seeing as asbestos was banned by law in 1989, and was falling out of use long before that.

[Realityhack]

16. I do not think that was what he was trying to say.

I think he was saying it saved *.

[bottomtheweaver]

19. My understanding is that Cheney was the guy with the asbestos connection.

Apparently he'd acquired one of the big mining firms while heading Halliburton, WR Grace or Johns Mansville or maybe they'd merged. I'll provide some links a little later. Where 911 comes in is that asbestos had apparently been banned in NYC in the middle of WTC construction, and so the supplier (JM I believe) switched to vermiculite, which in fact was asbestos that had simply been relabeled.

Thus they were on the hook big time for potentially huge asbestosis and mesothelioma awards, and the individual suits had already started coming in. What 911 did was a) stop the clock before a class action could be initiated which could easily have resulted in awards in the hundreds of billions, and b) effectively prevent future WTC-related asbestos litigation through various legal instruments addressing terrorism and 911 victim compensation.

[SDuderstadt]

20. If your claim were remotely true...

Sy Hersh would be writing about it. Please provide whatever proof you have of this claim.

[LARED]

22. Vermiculite is not just relabled asbestos

It can have very small quantities of asbestos and is legally sold all over the world.

And this is total BS as far as I can tell.

Thus they were on the hook big time for potentially huge asbestosis and mesothelioma awards, and the individual suits had already started coming in. What 911 did was a) stop the clock before a class action could be initiated which could easily have resulted in awards in the hundreds of billions, and b) effectively prevent future WTC-related asbestos litigation through various legal instruments addressing terrorism and 911 victim compensation.

If you have any evidence please provide.

[bottomtheweaver]

25. Except when it is.

As far as I know the only mineral with the fire resistive properties of asbestos is asbestos, and if you're in the middle of a hugely expensive and conspicuous construction stunt that depends on asbestos to get finished -- and face it, the entire WTC was designed around the concept of sprayed-on asbestos fireproofing -- what are you gonna do? The show must go on and it did.

[LARED]

26. Please explain how if the WTC construction depended on

asbestos to be completed, how the WTC was built after it was banned halfway through the project.

Perhaps they used other materials?

[bottomtheweaver]

27. The changed the labels to say vermiculite instead of asbestos,

but it was basically asbestos. That's the point I'm getting at. It was a fraud. Later when they were caught they claimed the vermiculite was oops, "contaminated" with asbestos, but it was basically the same stuff relabeled. Whether vermiculite COULD have been used, and wasn't, or COULDN'T have been applied in the same way and to the same effect as asbestos, I don't know, but it wasn't, which means the suppliers were on the hook for fraud in addition to liability the cancers. That's how I understand it anyway.

[LARED]

28. "It was a fraud"

Any evidence?

[bottomtheweaver]

29. I imagine it's lodged firmly in your lungs

and in the lungs and internal organs of everybody else who made the mistake of breathing in the days and weeks after 911.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but where do you think all that brown dust went? :shrug:

[LARED]

30. I'm sure on your planet your response

bears some relation to the question as to how you know vermiculite that contained asbestos was fraudulently used to finish the WTC construction.

ON my planet you are making no sense.

[bottomtheweaver]

31. The point is that scrubbing the evidence was the whole idea.

For whatever reasons, the asbestos industry has a lot of clout and they've basically been dodging the cancer bullet for over fifty years, and taking increasingly dramatic steps as the stakes got higher. Well, they might have been high enough in 1958 to make torching an elementary school seem like a good idea, but by 2001, they were high enough to make 911 seem smart. And by their lights, it was. A win-win you might say for all interested parties.

[LARED]

32. Sorry this discussion has gotten way too stupid to continue nt

[bottomtheweaver]

33. It's a lot to take in, I know.

And I'm not trying to ruin your evening, but that's how things are in this country -- yes, they'd torch a school and poison an entire tri-state area including Manhattan to save the butts of a few mining outfits in Montana and a certain logistics outfit in Texas.

If they'd happily spend decades incinerating, torturing, mass-murdering and poisoning entire nations in Asia and the Middle East for a few lousy bucks, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same thing to you and your family?

Forget it, Jake. It's Chinatown.

[LARED]

34. It was not ruinous in the least, it is rather

amusing to a point, then it just got stupid.

[bottomtheweaver]

36. Unfortunately, it's a fact. Roughly 100 tons of asbestos

were released into the air on 911, whether by act of providence, nukes, or Mr Osama acting from an undisclosed cave in Afghanistan, and whether or not the vermiculite was 100% vermiculite:

"WR Grace et al. provided at least about 200,000 pounds of asbestos (~100 tons) for use in the WTC."

http://nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=9880&group=webcast

So where did it all go? Well, where any dust goes: here there and everywhere, including your lungs.

[LARED]

37. Did someone dispute that? nt

[defendandprotect]

64. It is strongly rumored that the ASBESTOS in the WTC was going to

cause the demise of the WTC towers -- and that demolition would not be permitted!!!

Scaffolding was going to have to be built and the towers "dismantled" at great costs!!

IMO, we do have MIHOP re 9/11 . . . and that there many interests coming together --
many who wanted to destroy evidence of SEC investigations, for instance --
but mainly to create a "terrorist" threat and to move on to two wars!!

[LARED]

38. Who is "they'd"??

they'd torch a school and poison an entire tri-state area including Manhattan to save the butts of a few mining outfits in Montana and a certain logistics outfit in Texas.

If they'd happily spend decades incinerating, torturing, mass-murdering and poisoning entire nations in Asia and the Middle East for a few lousy bucks, what makes you think they wouldn't do the same thing to you and your family?


You seem to believe most of the bad stuff that happened in the world is caused by a discrete group of people. Who are they?

[bottomtheweaver]

39. Here's how that nutty conspiracy theorist Dwight Eisenhower

politely described "them" in his farewell address to the nation on January 17, 1961:

"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every State house, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."

link: http://coursesa.matrix.msu.edu/~hst306/documents/indust.html

"We should take nothing for granted" -- exactly my point. Ike was righter than he knew, and about all we've managed to accomplish in the 48 years since he gave that speech is to let "them" push us ever further into debt and get us entangled in ever more shameful foreign adventures.

[LARED]

40. Are those goal post heavy?

Unless you are arguing the Military industry complex is responsible for torching school children and planning 9/11 you have moved the goalposts. If true please explain how by any measure a loose association of industries, governments, and corporations are responsible for these acts. Is there a committee of the MIC that decides how the world works? Do they vote on killing children in schoolrooms to protect segments of industry.


I agree with Ike's sentiments, but that is vastly different than what you are arguing.

[bottomtheweaver]

41. hint: Capitalism's Invisible Army?

Established 1947? Formerly the OSS? Tasked with protecting US "interests" which mainly means the MIC but also banana industry and any other corporate adventure? Totally unaccountable, unconstitutional, and in most of its operations, unknown?

Do you need any more hints?

[LARED]

42. So let me see if I understand

The CIA approved the death of around 100 people in a school building in 1958 by fire so the asbestos industry would be protected in the future when there started to be evidence in 1960 that asbestos might be cancer causing. In fact the CIA was so effective in its manipulation that asbestos was not banned from use until well into the 1980.

As well, after asbestos was banned from the WTC construction and vermiculite was substituted, the CIA cleared the way for bags of asbestos to be "mislabeled" as vermiculite, so the asbestos industry would again be protected in the future when the CIA demolished the WTC in 2001.

Did I miss anything? My only comment is you are wasting your talents on DU. The writers for the show 24 needs innovative thinking like yours.

[bottomtheweaver]

45. Yes, that's what covert operations do: protect corporate "interests."

Let's take operation Ajax in Iran, 1953, about which there is no dispute: what the heck do you that was all about? Oil, natch. The CIA took it upon itself at the behest of MI5 to take out Mossadeq after he made the grave mistake of nationalizing Iran's oil operations and cutting Anglo-Iranian Oil, now BP, out of the loop. Presto, the Shah is installed on the Peacock throne and BP gets its oil. And that's what that 007 stuff is all about.

As for the vermiculite stunt, the suppliers didn't need the CIA's help for that, but they did need the CIA to get rid of the evidence, namely the Twin Towers. Kaboom, problem solved, except now it's your and my problem to pay for "terrorism" cleanup and survivors benefits out of US Treasury funds, and it will be our problem again when the cancers start showing up in our lungs.

But at least the mining corporations and their insurers are off the hook, except for a few billion paid out to Larry and friends, which is small potatoes compared to what they would have had to cough up, pardon the expression, in a mesothelioma class action.

And that's why capitalism makes this country the greatest nation on earth. Inspiring, isn't it?

[LARED]

46. Exactly how did the CIA get rid of the evidence of

asbestos in the WTC? Since there are a number of reports that clearly indicate asbestos was in the dust, you seem to have a problem.




http://www.ehponline.org/members/2002/110p703-714lioy/lioy-full.html

http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/chem1/index.html

[bottomtheweaver]

47. Right, the asbestos was in the dust, not on the steel.

So I guess we'll never know how much asbestos was actually in the non-asbestos insulation, will we? Real shame.

[LARED]

48. That doesn't answer the question - nt

[bottomtheweaver]

49. If the question is, "How did the CIA get rid of the evidence?,"

there are several answers:

1) they got rid of evidence of the vermiculite fraud by making it impossible to test the composition of any particular fireproofing application;

2) they made it impossible for any individual claimant to know the composition of the fireproofing on the floor s/he may have worked on;

3) they made it impossible to come to any clear idea of how much asbestos was in the building altogether, how much was entrained, how much actually entered the HVAC system in any particular part of the building, etc;

4) by making survivors who wished to collect benefits from the survivor's fund sign indemnification releases, they prevented or severely curtailed the possibility of a future class action;

5) and to top it all off, they got rid of most of the pool of potential claimants by incinerating them.

[LARED]

51. This has once again

gotten far too ridiculous to continue.

[Bolo Boffin]

35. Did somebody call my name? n/t

[pauldp]

7. That kind of stuff only happens in Russia.

;-)

http://www.amazon.com/Blowing-Up-Russia-Secret-Terror/dp/1594032017

[LARED]

13. I burned my bagel the other morning

I think that was an instance of covert ops. I sure of it as I know the toaster was working fine the previous day.

[bottomtheweaver]

18. quick note to say

I think you better let Mrs LARED handle the toaster or you may soon be homeless.

[LARED]

21. IS it possible Mrs LARED is

part of the covert operation to burn my toast. Could be!!

[SDuderstadt]

23. i thought you knew the rules for us covert...

forum operatives. no wives or girlfriends, period. i am hereby revoking your 00 status. from here on out, you are no longer licensed to kill, only to wound. the very next infraction will result in you being cashiered out of the corps. the good news is. if you have less than 10 infractions, you use the express lane.

[bottomtheweaver]

24. Now really.

If she is she's probably reading this -- RIGHT NOW!

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[Name removed]

17. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bottomtheweaver]

44. Partial list: 1991 Oklahoma City bombing; 1993 WTC bombing; 1998 Omaugh car bombing (Ireland);

1999 Columbine shooting; 2007 V-Tech shooting; 2004 Madrid metro bombing; 2005 London metro bombing; 2005 Bali nightclub bombing; 1989 Deal music school bombing (Ireland); 2008 Mumbai hotel attack (India); 1927 Bath, Michigan school bombing; 2007 Benazir Bhutto assassination (Pakistan); 1998 Pan Am 103 crash in Lockerbie (Scotland) . . .

Am I leaving out any obvious ones?

[TheUnspeakable]

52. D.C. Sniper

D.C. Sniper: Cover for FBI Agent's Murder?

(snip)"THE FBI AGENT that was a victim****. This is the thing that haunted me most. Who was this woman and FBI agent? The oldest trick in the book (of assassins) is to hide TRUE INTENDED VICTIM by making it look like a RANDOM killing, by shooting additional innocent victims to cover the truth!! I believe my hunch was right! READ THIS STORY BELOW.....SEE WHO THIS WOMAN WAS....SHE WAS AN FBI AGENT THAT WAS ON "THE KNOW" AND AN INSIDER WHO MAY HAVE FOUND OUT TOO MUCH ABOUT SEPT. 11TH!
And guess where she worked? In FBI counter-terrorism operations! "



As far as the "Our Lady" fire.... this is very close to my heart-I lived in the neighborhood and was three years old at the time-it's always been sort of my first memory-being at my aunt's house (my father had died a month earlier, but I have no memory of that) and watching on tv as they carried the stretchers out -it was horrifying! not too sure what I think yet about the asbestos theory-have to read a bit more-thanks for posting this!

[bottomtheweaver]

54. Oh yes, no doubt about that one.

I think more than one federal employee got "randomly" eliminated and the whole deal got lots of scary media attention to add to the anthrax, 911, and the plane that went down in Queens on November 12, 2001, killing 265 MORE people.

About OLA -- I first heard about it when I was in second grade, and I've been hearing about it ever since, but it was only a couple of weeks ago when the fireman in a famous photo, Richard Scheidt, passed away and it was in the news again that I looked into it a little, thanks to someone here who posted a link to a website with tons of information on it --

http://www.olafire.com

What hit me was that a) the cause remains officially undetermined, but is unofficially given out as arson; b) there's been a publicity campaign in recent years to blame a fifth-grade OLA student for setting the fire; and c) according to the information on the site including the recollections of many survivors, the fifth-grader couldn't possibly have done it. The more I looked into the circumstances, including the original 1959 NFPA fire report posted here --

http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files//PDF/Lady_of_Angels_report.pdf

the more I realized this was another rabbit-hole covert op pinned on another patsy. It's a theory, but I'm about 99.9% sure the kid didn't do it, and the janitor sure didn't do it, and the archdiocese (under heavy suspicion for "covering it up") obviously didn't do it. Since the asbestos industry was far and away the biggest winner, it's hard not to put two and two together.

[defendandprotect]

63. Agree . . .

[defendandprotect]

65. Anthrax attack on liberals - shutting down Congress for months . . .

disrupting mail and communications with public right after 9/11 --

[Felix_M]

50. Asbestos is only dangerous

when it is broken apart and can easily be contained while working or removing it . It seemed to me like the removal was more hype than there was to keep it around because left undisturbed, from my understanding, is no danger at all except when it has to be broken into very small pieces.

Hardly worth getting into the politics of removal because first post is illogical.

[bottomtheweaver]

53. It's been public knowledge since at least 1960 that this isn't true.

Even brief exposure to asbestos can lead to mesothelioma and other cancers, as noted in the original post, but like the tobacco industry, asbestos suppliers chose to aggressively deny the lethal dangers of their product rather than deal with it in a responsible way.

[LARED]

55. So let me ask you a question

My previous home had asbestos shingles. Was I endangering my family and neighbors by not removing it even though it was intact?

[bottomtheweaver]

56. Probably not, if the roof was in good condition.

This is from asbestos.com, which is sponsored by a law firm in Florida, so take it for what it's worth, but it sounds reasonable:

While friable asbestos presents a very real health hazard to those who are exposed to it, according to most reliable sources asbestos containing roof shingles that are in good condition are not dangerous. It is when they become deteriorated or when a building made with asbestos roof shingles is demolished that there is a danger from the breakage of the asbestos shingles.

There is reason for concern though. Roof shingles are seldom the only source of asbestos in a house that is tiled with them. Asbestos was widely used in building construction in everything from flooring adhesives to ceiling insulation. If you learn that your home has roofing tiles made of asbestos containing material, it is likely that there are other sources of asbestos in your home.

more: http://www.asbestos.com/products/construction/roofing-shingles.php

[LARED]

57. But you stated in post 53

"Even brief exposure to asbestos can lead to mesothelioma and other cancers, as noted in the original post

When it was stated that non-friable asbestos poses little hazard.

BTW, when I wrote shingles I was meant to write siding. I had asbestos siding, a very common siding material.

[bottomtheweaver]

58. Hey I didn't say you were out of the woods.

Basically my position on asbestos is, yes, we should have known then what we know now, but you can't unring the bell, so there's no reason for undue alarm. Get checkups, be aware of your environment, hope for the best.

But as far as the asbestos industry and activities the CIA, these are huge crimes, and the perps need to be brought to justice. That won't save your lungs, but it might prevent innocent Americans from getting incinerated, shot, or poisoned in the future.

[LARED]

59. Dude you are a riot

There is "so there's no reason for undue alarm", yet you think the CIA murdered school children in an effort protect the asbestos industry a few years before the hazards for asbestos were even beginning to be understood.

[bottomtheweaver]

60. I think you need to take a look at the book I linked to in my OP.

Don't worry, it's free and you don't have to read much:

Defending the Indefensible: The Global Asbestos Industry and Its Fight for Survival
By Jock McCulloch and Geoffrey Tweedale
Published by Oxford University Press US, 2008

http://books.google.com/books?pg=PA8&lpg=PP1&dq=The+Global+Asbestos+Industry&id=CWTeH9GJsfgC

Click the link, go to page 8, and review the short and sweet Table 1.1, "Asbestos Related Disease Chronology, 1909-1964," which Google books won't allow me to cut and paste.

p.s. I think your medical concerns are perfectly valid, but that's not what this thread is about, and I'm not trying to get anyone who might reading it unnecessarily worried about their health. Also, I'm not a doctor, and you're not supposed to seek medical advice on DU anyway.

[defendandprotect]

68. Btw, some of those cigarettes had ASBESTOS filters --- !!!!

And, I believe that the Germans proved the asbestos/cancer/illness links long long

ago. Industry always knew it!

[achtung_circus]

61. By definition

bombings, (some- the arson ones) fires, school shootings, etc. are all covert ops.

Criminals tend not to advertise.

[defendandprotect]

62. A new book on COLUMBINE, I hear . . . reverses a lot of stuff we've heard . . .

I think it suspicious . . .

Also, seem to remember that the Germans knew way back that asbestos had a cancer link.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church was long lobbying our Congress to get us to pay for

asbestos removal in their schools!!!

[bottomtheweaver]

66. Columbine, oh hell yes.

Tons of suspicious anomalies. Multiple shooters identified by students don't make it into the official report; Harris and Klebold "suicide" dubious; official report delayed and delayed -- until after 911 finally knocked Columbine off the charts; kids on drugs not intended for depression; parents associated with psy-op military bases, etc etc.

I think you will really like this interesting and well-done video on some of the Columbine anomalies. Some of the Masonic-Satanic stuff at the end kind of made we wonder if it's part of the psy-op, but other than that it's very good:

http://evanlong.buzznet.com/user/video/3746811/the-columbine-cause/

The Columbine Cause

"The Columbine Cause" by Evan Long raises questions about the April 20, 1999 attack on Columbine High School which have gone unaddressed or unanswered by corporate and state media, including: Why do counts of the ballistics evidence charts yield totals far greater than the three hundred-odd shots officially stated by law enforcement officials to have been fired? Why did students and teachers inside the school during the attack describe up to a dozen distinct shooters, some of whom some of them were able to identify by name as neither Eric Harris nor Dylan Klebold? Why were the people of the world told that the attack was a "wake-up call" when some Columbine students knew it to have been "the big rumor" for up to two years in advance? There is much more to the story of the attack on Columbine than has been widely made known. http://www.xmail.net/evanlong/tcc/

[defendandprotect]

67. Thanks for the info . . .

lots to look at and I'm way behind with links loaded onto my favs, but I did

quickly scan some of the info.

If you get to the new book before me, let me know what you think-!

Without doubt they have been trying to create a violent America over decades --

also part of the bonus of the Drug War myth.

If it wasn't happening just as they'd like it to, I've no doubt they'd create it

from whole cloth!