The central question of 9-11 (once the various factions pause in their name-calling for a moment)

[leftofthedial]

is not *whether* there was a conspiracy behind the events of 9-11. No rational explanation of four simultaneous hijackings could exclude a conspiracy. The question is, "Who was involved in that conspiracy?"

Personally, I think this entire forum is a covert op and we're all being sucked into a horrible conspiracy just by posting here...

bwahahahaha! :evilgrin:


So, forget about steel buildings and holograms and demolitions and such for two minutes and tell me what you think. WHODUNNIT?

[seemslikeadream]

1. WHODUNNIT?

WHOBENIFITS?

:hi:

[leftofthedial]

3. so often true...

:hi:

[Theobald]

2. Whodunit? That's easy....

The overall planner was Khalid Sheik Mohammed and he planned it with the tacit approval of Osama Bin Laden.

Hijackers:

American Airlines Flight 11 - Mohamed Atta al Sayed (Egyptian), Waleed al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Wail al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Abdulaziz al-Omari (Saudi Arabian), Satam al-Suqami (Saudi Arabian)

United Airlines Flight 175 - Marwan al-Shehhi (from the United Arab Emirates), Fayez Banihammad (from the United Arab Emirates), Mohand al-Shehri (Saudi Arabian), Hamza al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian)

American Airlines Flight 77 Hani Hanjour (Saudi Arabian), Khalid al-Mihdhar (Saudi Arabian), Majed Moqed (Saudi Arabian), Nawaf al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian), Salem al-Hazmi (Saudi Arabian)

United Airlines Flight 93 Ziad Jarrah (Lebanese), Ahmed al-Haznawi (Saudi Arabian), Ahmed al-Nami (Saudi Arabian), Saeed al-Ghamdi (Saudi Arabian).

[leftofthedial]

4. Except for the questions raised about the exact identities of a couple of them,

it seems clear these conspirators were involved.

Does "tacit" mean that OBL was not really culpable?

Oh, and how do we know (absent a confession elicited under torture and bush cabal propaganda) that Khalid Sheik Mohammed was the mastermind. I'm not saying he wasn't; I just wonder how you know.

[seemslikeadream]

5. Tell me again how many times was he tortured

183? When did he confess, the 19th time? the 50th time? Do we get to use a confession derived from torture?

[SDuderstadt]

7. as i have stated numerous times before...

ksm should not have been tortured even once. having said that, how do you know that a confession to an event which had already occurred was what his ''interrogators'' were after? i think it's far more likely they were after intelligence on current or future planned attacks, which would have been of far greater value. despite that higher value, ksm should not have been tortured even once.

[seemslikeadream]

6. Robert Baer Hardball 4/22/09

I will get the transcript when it is available

[seemslikeadream]

10. vid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ep6hvIi-LDw

[seemslikeadream]

8. they were being asked to provide WMD in order for coalition forces to find them.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5513740&mesg_id=5513928

Recommended and bookmarked. Cambone is a war criminal.
Posted by robertpaulsen on Wed Apr-22-09 04:46 PM

And here's why:


From the second edition of American Judas

But the real dark actors lie within the extra-legal and unapproved task force missions deployed in obscurity by OSP through the approval of Feith, Cambone and Stephen Hadley. Of most concern is an alleged off-book 4-5 man team that operated in the summer and through the fall of 2003. Most sources pointed to TF20 as the most likely to have spawned this clandestine force. This force interviewed many Iraqi intelligence and former intelligence officers in hopes of securing help with a “political WMD” problem, telling them that ‘Our President is in trouble. He went to war saying there are WMD and there are no WMD. What can we do? Can you help us?’ A source close to the UN Security Council said intelligence officers understood quickly what they were being asked to do and that the assumption was they were being asked to provide WMD in order for coalition forces to find them. http://rawstory.com/news/2005/Secretive_military_unit_sought_to_solve_0105.html

The possible involvement of TF20 in activity of questionable legality doesn’t end with the request for planted WMD. It continues after the creation of Task Force 121 from TF20. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Task_Force_20 TF121 was aggressively trained by Israelis at Fort Bragg, North Carolina as an assassination squad. One of the planners behind this offensive was Lt. Gen. William “Jerry” Boykin. http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1102940,00.html Boykin is infamous for saying in reference to the War on Terror that “the enemy is a guy named Satan” and regarding an Islamic Somalian warlord, “I knew my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol”. http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1016-01.htm After such dubious training, what is TF121 known for accomplishing in Iraq? Abusing detainees throughout Iraq in secret interrogation facilities like Abu Ghraib with beatings that, according to an investigation by retired Col. Stuart A. Herrington, could “technically” be illegal. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A23372-2004Nov30.html And while we’re talking about torture, Feith seems to have something to do with the Iraqi prison abuses of Abu Ghraib. A part from being behind the phony “intelligence” gathered on the alleged WMD of Saddam, and behind the supporting of Ahmad Chalabi, it was Feith’s office who “housed the future undersecretary for intelligence, Stephen Cambone, who facilitated the transfer of Maj Gen Geoffrey Miller, the commander of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp that houses suspected al-Qaeda and Taliban prisoners, to Abu Ghraib prison in the interests of extracting more intelligence from detainees. http://www.tribune-libanaise.com/tribune/article.php3?id_article=9

http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/2007/03/american-judas-2nd-edition-investigate.html

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[leftofthedial]

11. what was in the deleted subthread?

I wonder.

:shrug:

[SDuderstadt]

12. I think it was the jokes we were making about name-calling...

either a poster or a moderator didn't look at the sequence and didn't realize it was tongue-in-cheek, in other words, name-calling in response to a post lamenting name-calling.

[leftofthedial]

13. That's what I thought.

Oh well.

Humor is on the ropes in this country. If it doesn't involve serious physical injury, getting hit in the nuts, or bodily functions, it just doesn't count anymore.