Airplane 'Photo Op' Angers 9/11 Witnesses

[seemslikeadream]

http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20090427-719030.html

(Updates with sources saying White House plans for a second photo shoot in Washington, D.C. being reconsidered)

A Boeing airplane escorted by a military jet flew low over Lower Manhattan on Monday, frightening office workers and spurring evacuations in what turned out to be a U.S. government-approved publicity operation.

The maneuvering of the 747, which circled around some skyscrapers, recalled memories of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, which resulted in the deaths of thousands after two hijacked commercial airplanes rammed into the World Trade Center. Onlookers and evacuated workers said they were incredulous that government agencies didn't issue an ...


http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jQCKDUYswf9K9lMjX4oxtDxHVqXQD97R45D80


Jet flyover in lower Manhattan sets off panic
By ULA ILNYTZKY and SARA KUGLER – 23 minutes ago

NEW YORK (AP) — An airliner and supersonic fighter jet zoomed past the lower Manhattan skyline in a flash just as the work day was beginning Monday. Within minutes, startled financial workers streamed out of their offices, fearing a nightmarish replay of Sept. 11.

For a half-hour, the Boeing 747 and F-16 jet circled the Statue of Liberty and the lower Manhattan skyline near the World Trade Center site. Offices evacuated. Dispatchers were inundated with calls. Witnesses thought the planes were flying dangerously low.

But the flyover was nothing but a photo op, apparently one of a series of flights to get pictures of the plane in front of national landmarks.

It was carried out by the Defense Department with little warning, infuriating New York officials and putting the White House on the defense. Even Mayor Michael Bloomberg didn't know about it, and he later called it "insensitive" to fly so near the site of the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The director of the White House military office, Louis Caldera, took the blame a few hours later. One of the planes was a 747 that is called Air Force One when used by the president.

"Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision," Caldera said. "While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it's clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."

[LARED]

1. Why do you have Photo Op is quotes? - nt

[seemslikeadream]

2. ......!

ask the fucking Wall Street Journal

[LARED]

3. Yep it helps to click on the link - nt

[seemslikeadream]

4. which you rarely do before replying to me

more proof of the fact you don't care what I am posting just gut reaction that's all

[LARED]

5. You thinking you can read minds creates it's

own set of problems

[seemslikeadream]

6. you just proved you did not open the link before responding to me no mind reading involved

[LARED]

7. The mind reading part is where you think you know

what I do with your links before I post

[Bryan Sacks]

8. What you should do is apologize n/t

[AZCat]

9. Why? This is teh internet.

You don't want to cause a singularity or something. Might wipe out all of northeastern Manchester.

[LARED]

10. Ok, Mom you're right. Sorry SLAD for commenting on your post

before reading it.

I feel much better.

[seemslikeadream]

11. Feel the love

:hug:

[NowHearThis]

12. Untruthers don't do that kind of thing.

They have a different code of conduct, in case you haven't noticed.

[Bolo Boffin]

13. And since LARED did apologize 6 hours before you posted this

he's clearly not the smear label you've implied that he is.

What you should do is apologize to him.

[NowHearThis]

14. And since you clearly have comprehension challenges, YOU...

are the last person who should ask for anyone to apologize. Lared didn't apologize. He made a sarcastic remark to SLD and an apology to the Untruther. What you should do is get some reading comprehension skills and apologize to everyone here that you offend on a regular basis. That would be a good start and might even cause a few people to conclude that you're a
"compassionate Untruther" and that you really do believe the BS you post in support of the Bush lies about 9/11.

[SDuderstadt]

15. Please point to anything that anyone...

has posted in support of "Bush lies" about 9/11. Your continual dishonesty about this is despicable.

[Bolo Boffin]

17. So LARED apologized and you refuse to do so.

And yet you slam him for not being able to apologize.

How interesting.

[LARED]

19. Wow you blattering on about poor reading comprehesion

all the while not being able to discern the words "Sorry SLAD for commenting on your post before reading it", may be a contender for the ironic truther post of the year.

Congratulations.

[NowHearThis]

20. " Ok, Mom you're right."

That's not an apology. It's a sarcastic, offensive way of begrudgingly admitting you were wrong.

[SDuderstadt]

21. Your reading comprehension is even poorer than I imagined...

that part is addresses to Bryan Sacks, not SLAD...it's tongue in cheek.

[LARED]

23. See post 21. nt

[Bryan Sacks]

24. all of you go to your rooms n/t

[seemslikeadream]

34. Can I come out now?

:rofl:

I'm out of munchies

[Bryan Sacks]

35. I would never send you to your room :)

I'd have far fewer interesting and important articles to read each day

[seemslikeadream]

39. Yea but would you send me to your room?

;)

[Bolo Boffin]

53. hhkkhhhhkkh

:puke:

[JuniperLea]

40. Why does it matter what is in quotes?

I mean, she wasn't calling anyone a name, like "asshole" or "truther" or anything like that.

Why do you feel it matters?

[NowHearThis]

16. Why were threats made to NYPD & Mayor Bloomberg...

to not reveal that this "flyover" was going to take place. If it was so innocent and benign what was the need to threaten NYPD & Bloomberg?

Did this "flyover" have something to do with a possible new false flag operation or was it some kind of "fear factor" psy op to gauge public reaction for who knows what might be coming down the road? NYC IS a socialist megalopolis, in the eyes of many right-wingers so anything is possible, but one thing's for sure - it's hard to fathom why it was felt necessary to intentionally scare the beeJesus out of all those people in Personhattan.

[SDuderstadt]

18. You have ZERO evidence that...

either Bloomberg or NYPD threatened in this matter. Can you read? Bloomberg states that he was unaware that the flyover was going to take place. Why do you just make shit up?

[Name removed]

22. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[NowHearThis]

25. Nice try, but as usual, you're wrong, and wrong isn't a fair reason

to try and get a post removed. Is there ANY goofy excuse you won't use to get a post deleted?


FAA Memo: Feds Knew NYC Flyover Would Cause Panic
Threatened Federal Sanctions Against NYPD, Secret Service, FBI & Mayor's Office If Secret Ever Got Out

FROM: http://wcbstv.com/topstories/air.force.one.2.996457.html

[JuniperLea]

41. "Is there ANY goofy excuse you won't use to get a post deleted?"

That seems to be the name of the game, right? And as long as you put "truther" in quotes, you aren't calling names. But just try to call someone "asshole" and it is removed about as quickly as you can post. Curiouser and curiouser.

[SDuderstadt]

42. so, you don't see referring to someone as a ''truther' (those are called...

''irony quotation marks'') differently than calling someone an ''asshole''??? really?

[JuniperLea]

44. Nope

Define truther.

[SDuderstadt]

46. Go to "truther.org"...

it's a self-defined term.

[JuniperLea]

47. I'm asking for your defintion...

Whatever. If you don't want to answer, fine.

[SDuderstadt]

48. After your post in another thread....

you expect me to be civil to you? I don't think so.

[JuniperLea]

49. Hahahahaha! Civil? You?

Come on. You can't be civil as long as someone disagrees with you, that fact has long been proven.

All I'm asking for is your definition of what I feel is a derogatory term you use freely and apparently with the blessings of those who matter. Simple really. That you can't wrap your mind around a personal definition and choose rather to deflect the attention from said question is rather telling.

[SDuderstadt]

50. Jesus...

what do adherents of the "9/11 truth movement" call themselves? They call themselves "truthers". How you think that is "derogatory" is beyond me. The "irony quotation marks" are used to highlight the irony of people who profess to seek the truth, but willfully ignore facts which contradict their pre-conceived notions.

So, let me make sure I get this straight. You're now claiming that referring to someone as a "truther" is namecalling? If you called me a "debunker" (a name I wear proudly), would you call that "name-calling"?

[JuniperLea]

51. Buddah...

What's with the straw man? I hardly think picking a name that you wear proudly could be construed as derogatory, and I have never, ever, referred to myself as a truther... with or without quotations. I find it condescending, rude, derogatory, and misleading to lump everyone under that name. I am outraged and offended by the act, and the fact that it is somehow ok to do that here.

Why can't someone believe that what we were told by our government about 9/11 was a lie without being lumped in with everyone who has a theory? Why can't someone simply be looking to read and discuss what others think without being lumped in with everyone else under the derogatory umbrella? Why can't you stand to see people discuss their beliefs without crapping on them? What is it to you? Why can't you let people do what they want to do without being such an asshole to them just because you don't share their beliefs? Even if some people are way off base and their theories fully ridiculous, it's their right to talk about it. Just like it's their right to discuss imaginary deities. You wouldn't be allowed to shit in the Wheaties of a religious discussion where beliefs are the order of the day. I just find it disgusting that you are allowed to fuck with people just because you don't believe the same things they do.

[Bolo Boffin]

52. "I just find it disgusting that you are allowed to fuck with people"

This is an issue to take up with moderators. If you don't like their answer, you are free to leave. But this is not the "question why a group of people are here and rant about what they can get away with" forum. I don't understand why you and others here can't grasp that.

[JuniperLea]

58. Tag team!

How cute.

[SDuderstadt]

59. "Truther Logic"...

only one person should be allowed to respond to a post.

[JuniperLea]

62. did you read my post at all?

i said he/she could comment... jesus you are fucking dense as mud.

[SDuderstadt]

64. It's called satire/parody...

perhaps you've heard of it.

[JuniperLea]

67. You really are grasping at straws now...

And thankfully, I'm heading for a meeting...

[SDuderstadt]

69. Thankfully...n/t

[greyl]

54. "Truther" is an insult like "religious fundamentalist", "astrologist", "creationist" & "nihilist" nt

[JuniperLea]

63. Only if you are calling someone by that name...

With the intent of it being a derogatory term, and when said person is NOT part of that group. Grouping people together under one derogatory umbrella is rude.

[NowHearThis]

55. Maybe he's embarrassed to admit the truth, or the cat got his tongue.

nt

[SDuderstadt]

56. Or, maybe I already answered...

duh. Unlike you who just ignores questions that destroy your goofy claims. Again, perhaps you can offer some remotely plausible explanation as to how so many eyewitnesses could have directly witnessed the second plane fly into the WTC if it was only a "cartoon". Of course, by that time you answer that,

[JuniperLea]

57. He clearly cannot admit he is using it in a derogatory fashion...

I've never called myself a truther and I am disgusted, revolted, and insulted by being called that name. That is clearly his intent. No question. And the avoidance shown here, piling up as it is, clearly supports my theory.

[SDuderstadt]

60. That's interesting....

so you now deny that you're a "truther"? Or, do you just not like being called one? You're convinced the entire "government story is a lie", right? Wouldn't that make you an adherent of the "truth movement"?

[JuniperLea]

61. I do not believe ALL of what they stand for...

Jesus... you really do need things broken down into itty bitty pieces, don't you? You lump everyone who disagrees with you into that group, and that is wrong. I do not adhere to all that those groups do, clearly. Are you saying the government told us the whole truth in this matter?

[SDuderstadt]

65. No...

but that hardly proves it was MIHOP or even LIHOP.

[JuniperLea]

66. Show me where I ever said

It proves either of those things. All it proves is that they are liars, and there is far more to this story than meets the press.

[SDuderstadt]

68. Like what....

why don't you provide us with infomation on anything you can't readily find other than things which can't be known in a large scale, catastrophic event.

[NowHearThis]

43. ""Is there ANY goofy excuse you won't use to get a post deleted?"

No. Yes, it is very curious. Mighty curious.

So is that photo! Tells me you have an interesting, curious mind.

[JuniperLea]

45. Thank you

I consider myself to be very curious. Interesting is in the eye or mind of the beholder:)

[NowHearThis]

26. See how easy it is to make a faked video of events in NYC

http://heh.pl/&3io

But of course, we all know that there's faked videos and there's cartoons. Sometimes both in one.

[SDuderstadt]

27. "Truther Logic"

Because it's possible to fake a video, that proves the video of the jet striking the tower was faked.

[cherokeeprogressive]

70. That's great except for the fact that your link shows no VIDEOS, only STILL PICS. n/t

[jakeXT]

28. people still know how to run

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU&feature=player_embedded

[seemslikeadream]

29. Thanks for posting, this was NOT just a silly mistake ,NO way

[LARED]

30. So if this wasn't a mistake, what purpose

did it serve?

[jakeXT]

32. Why keep it secret ?

The FAA notified the New York Police Department of the flyover, telling them photos of the Air Force One jet would be taken about 1,500 feet above the Statue of Liberty around 10 a.m. Monday. It had a classified footnote that said, "Information in this document shall not be released to the public or the media."

...

NYPD spokesman Paul Browne said typically a flight like this would be publicized to avoid causing a panic, but they were under orders not to in this case. They regularly get requests for flyovers, but without secrecy restrictions.

...
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/8486044

[seemslikeadream]

33. Didn't I read that they KNEW it would create panic?

And did it anyway, keeping it secret? WHY?

[LARED]

36. Well as a guess, I would assume the flight paths of Air Force 1

is normally kept a secret for pretty obvious reasons. As I said this seems like a mistake to have not realized people would react panicky to a low flying aircraft in Manhattan. In hindsight it seems panic that would be pretty easy to forecast, but hey this is the government we are talking about here, getting something even marginally right is a good day.

[jakeXT]

37. It was just a plane, not Air Force 1, Obama wasn't on it.

[LARED]

38. It was not just a plane,

it was one of the Presidential Aircraft.

[cherokeeprogressive]

71. That's easy. Images to be used in the 2012 presidential campaign.

Obama has either caught Usama bin Hidin', or knows without a doubt where he is. These images of AF-1 flying over NYC will be part and parcel of the 2012 presidential campaign, which will start sometime next year. Originally there were to be photos from the DC area as well. Undoubtedly they would have been photos of the Pentagon with AF-1 flying overhead in a reassuring fashion.

"Obama is Your Protector."

"Obama Brings You Justice."

"Where was AF-1 on 9/11/2001? Not Here. Or Here. Obama Will Not Desert You."

It could happen...

:silly:

[SDuderstadt]

72. What??

We don't get any dessert? I had my heart set on some strawberry shortcake.

[dflprincess]

73. When Obama's DOJ goes after Bush officials for war crimes

then I'll believe "Obama brings us justice". Until then, "Obama protects the status quo." would be more accurate.

[LARED]

31. Not being there, it's hard to understand why they are

running and where they are going if they are already outside.

Seems to be a bit of an over reaction to me. But again I wasn't there.