OKC Bombing Help wanted

[mikelewis]

This is a Pic of the bombing of the Khobar Towers. Notice the large crater created by the explosion.


Can anyone point me to a pic or the description of the crater left by the truck bomb used at OKC? Your help will be much appreciated. Thanks.

[mikelewis]

1. Also is there a detailed description of the extent of structural damage...

available in the Khobar Bombing?

[k-robjoe]

2. Press conference

"Thanks to our colleagues - Victor Thorn and Lisa Guliani at WINGTV.net - you will be able to watch the Oklahoma City Bombing Case / R.E.A.C.H. - press conference that was videotaped in downtown Oklahoma City, 11:30 AM yesterday - 4/5/05 and lasted approximately 20 mins.

Video of the Press Conference can be viewed at : http://69.28.73.17/realmedia/okc2.ram "

(Survivor describes how the building was shaking for seconds before the bomb went off. Another survivor I have seen interviewed said that the really big explosion came, not from out on the street, but from inside the building. Whisch makes sense, since all experts agree that the truckbomb could never have done that kind of damage.)

( Crater :

[spooked911]

3. Is there a crater where the Ryder truck was parked?

I don't see one.

[k-robjoe]

4. The crater

The crater does look very tiny.
That´s probably why it is impossible(?) to find a good photo of it.

The other day I came across this quote. It is from a man who says he was an OKC firefighter. He tells about something I hadn´t heard of before, a crater INSIDE the building. Says they called it the pit.

"(...) I was a OKC firefighter at that time and spent many days on site. I have a lot of sad memories, but raised serious concerns with what I observed in the building as well.

Upon my arrival to the scene, just two hours after the explosion, I walked past a mangled axle about 1-and-one-half blocks west of the Murrah building. The federal officer in charge of protecting this axle stated when asked that this was the rear axle of the Ryder truck that blew up the building. If the Ryder truck theory was true, how could they have possibly identified this axle, among all the debris, from serial numbers in two hours? Preposterous.

I spent a great deal of time in what was commonly called the pit. It is funny that the pit was a giant crater in the center of the building. How the pit was formed by the Ryder truck theory is even goofier than the axle I explained.

I talked with many firefighters who had searched the building earlier in the morning. Many confirmed seeing federal agents in odd places, explosive devices, and many other peculiar events that will never line up with the Fed's story.

As a firefighter, we usually had carte blanche to go where we pleased, under our commanding officer's direction. But at the Murrah building, every time we tried to cut through an area to save time, or to look for victims in a new area or tried to walk through the parking garage, we were stopped in our tracks by federal agents.

There are many other things I observed and discovered that eliminate any possibility of the Ryder truck theory being true. Thank you for your stand for truth in an evil world."

So I had a look if anyone else has talked about the pit. I found this :

" There is a crater there what was dubbed "the pit". I saw this "pit" when I stood in front of that building May 18 & 19, 1995, one week before they imploded the building and then buried the evidence. The pit was in the area where Ben Partin says the charges were placed on the support columns of the building."

http://www.okcbombing.org/News%20Articles/ashcroft_devvykid_article.htm (1/2 way down )

Has anyone else any more about this?

[k-robjoe]

12. Audio

The "pit" is also mentioned in this radio interview with Tonia Yeakey.
A researcher says that he spoke with people who saw it and described it as a crater inside the building, larger than the one out on the street.

> Interview with Tonia Yeakey -
1 http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey1.rm
2 http://www.apfn.org/audio/tyeakey2.rm

( Tonia Yeakey tells about what happened to Terrance Yeakey, Oklahoma City police sergeant , who was one of the first to get there after the bombing.
Terrance told her :
"It's not true. It's not what they are saying. It didn't happen that way."
And she tells about the "suicide" of Terrance Yeakey.
"According to the report, Terry slashed himself eleven times on both forearms before cutting his own throat twice near the jugular vein. Then, apparently seeking even a more private place to die, he crawled another mile of rough terrain away from his car (...)" )

[Name removed]

5. Deleted message

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[k-robjoe]

7. Thanks!

That is really telling.

[k-robjoe]

8. Something

I had never seen before was this theory about McVeighs confession:

"I have written to Tim McVeigh with the request to let me interview him and that he not
let the truthdie with him. McVeigh's execution is set for May 16th. The prison in Terra Haute signed for the certified mail, but I have had no response from McVeigh. The only reason I can think of why he would willingly go to the needle is to protect his mother and sister. For those who have forgotten, the FBI kidnaped his mother and held them in a separate hotel rooms and brow-beat the hell out of both of these poor women. The son and brother will die to protect the mother and sister."

http://www.okcbombing.org/News%20Articles/ashcroft_devvykid_article.htm

[mikelewis]

9. Is that Bush in the second pic?

When was this picture taken?

Was he at a memorial or was this taken circa 1995?

[mikelewis]

11. It was 2001 - maybe I should google before I ask huh?

[spooked911]

6. Why are you asking this any way?

Are you just curious about OK City or is there some other reason?

[mikelewis]

10. Just research

I was looking for descriptions of explosives and images on thier effect. I came across the crater pic of the Khobar towers. After seeing this, I thought I'd try to find a pic of the crater in OKC.

The damage at Khobar towers was roughly half what was evident at OKC. The estimated amount of TNT at Khobar was between 20,000 to 30,000 lbs equivalent of TNT while the estimated amount at OKC was 4,000 lbs. This is based on crater size. So how could a bomb 1/5 the size create damage 2 to 3 times greater? Answer: magic. Terrorists who attack the United States are actually 15th level Magic-Users or the story is absolute bullshit. Take your pick.

I know OKC was a demolition and I know about Terrance Yeaky and the whole sordid little deal. I was simply looking for pics on the blast site and maybe get some detailed damage assesment on the Khobar Towers.

[k-robjoe]

13. Post # 5

It had the title "What crater?", and had some photos of the lack of crater.

I went back looking for it, to use one of the pics in a mail, and it´s deleted.

( Why? It was just the pics, nothing offensive. )

If the guy that posted them is reading, could you repost them. ( Or are they not allowed? )

[k-robjoe]

14. One pic

I found one good pic. ( But still would like the URLs to the ones deleted...)

On edit :

( It will not come up. Copy and paste + add "http:" at front)

//autarchic.tripod.com/graphics/graham-photo5a_sm.jpg

[yodermon]

15. That was my post.

I am mystified.
And sorry I did not keep a local copy of that post.
I wish I had.

[Frederik]

16. I can only guess

Asking questions about the OKC is considered "right-wing conspiracy theory". And quite often, they are. After all, Clinton was president and McVeigh was a right-winger.

But I agree that OKC smells very fishy. Some see connections between WTC '93, OKC, and 9/11. I think it's definitely an angle that is worth pursuing, which after all is possible to do without implicating Clinton. The fact that he was president in 1993 and 1995 doesn't mean that that he was in control of every rogue element within the government.