New article on Mary Schneider

[k-robjoe]

"The evidence she provides links the marriage scam to Mohamed Atta, named by the government as the ringleader of the 9/11 terrorists. Her evidence further shows that government officials not only knew that Atta resided in Florida as early as 1997, but that officials even assisted him financially in remaining in America illegally.

To add more fuel to the fire, she names "big time names," revealing that former FBI Director Louis Freeh, Attorney General John Ashcroft, FBI Director Robert Mueller and numerous U.S. senators and congressmen knew before the September 11 attacks that U.S. immigration officials were bribed by an illegal Moroccan Muslim linked to Osama bin Laden's half-brother, Khalil."

http://www.arcticbeacon.citymaker.com/articles/article/1518131/26427.htm

[spooked911]

1. Good for her-- I hope she can get her case publicized

How many credible government 9/11 whistleblowers do we have now?

Just a partial list:
Sibel Edmonds-FBI translator
Colleeen Rowley-FBI agent
Robert Wright-FBI agent
Kenneth Williams-FBI agent
Mary Schneider- Immigration officer


she has a website:
http://maryschneider.us/

[ROH]

2. Thanks for the link to the website

Very interesting information.

[philb]

3. Did she offer to testify at 9/11 Commission? Was she allowed to?

Did the Commission make a general appeal for people who knew anything about 9/11 events to come forward and testify?

[DrDebug]

6. No, she was fired

Because she kept on bothering them to investigate her find :shrug: like they had any intention of capturing that Al Qaeda cell.

[DrDebug]

4. The story gets even weirder

The house where Mohamed Atta stayed was rented by Majed Atta a relative of Mohamed Atta. Until the middle of 2001, Majed Atta ran the Rainbow Grocery on Plant Street in Winter Garden. On Aug. 1 2001, he and his family packed their belongings into a U-Haul and left their rental home near Lake Apopka. Majed Atta's former landlady said they moved just one week after Atta said he planned to buy the home from her and open a new grocery store in the Orlando area. (Orlando Sentinel Sep 23, 2001)

However according to the news story below a Majed Atta is back again in 2004, running a grocery store on Congress Street in New Orleans together with Shareef Quattom, but according to the FBI it was a different Majed Atta who happened to be in the grocery business and who also happened to leave Florida just before 9/11 and was busy buying a grocery store for $92,000. How much money did Mohamed Atta receive from Mahmoud Ahmad? $100,000?

Times-Picayune (New Orleans) June 4, 2004 Friday:

Atiya Saleh, Shareef Quattom and Majed Atta have given paperwork to Lincoln County, Miss., officials that indicates that the $27,000 in currency sheriff’s deputies confiscated from the trunk of Mr. Saleh’s Ford sedan March 10 was the down payment for a grocery store Mr. Atta was purchasing.

Still, sheriff’s officials are skeptical and say they want to make sure the three New Orleans men weren’t on a money-laundering trip that took them through Mississippi.

(...)

Among Arab-Americans, Mississippi has a reputation for being a good place to steer clear of, said former Jackson merchant Atta, who is now selling groceries on Congress Street in New Orleans.

It wasn't like that before Sept. 11, 2001, said Atta, a native of Jordan who moved to the United States at 16 and attended college in Hattiesburg. His fond memories of the years he spent in Mississippi brought him back to the state in 2001, when he and his family decided to leave Florida, their home for 10 years.

http://www.sunherald.com/mld/sunherald/news/politics/8900481.htm

See also: http://www.madcowprod.com/102204issue.htm

So not only did they refuse to look into Lyazid Abad who lived there, it also sounds like the Atta relatives were allowed to set up shop somewhere else. What are the odds of the same name, same history?

Story with many more hyperlinks at http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Majed_Atta

So what are the odds of this?


Edit: Spelling and link didn't work anymore

[dbeach]

5. Mo Atta received govt asistance

Golly gee BUT I thought republicans were against welfare cept for defense dept. and all their corporat pals quite natch..


"Atta resided in Florida as early as 1997, but that officials even assisted him financially in remaining in America illegally"

Mo Atta on the govt dole.

Whats next..another Enron funfest??

[JackRiddler]

7. I smell bullshit...

Had never heard of this case before. Some initial thoughts:

There's something here about restrictions being eased to advantage Bin Ladin's brother Khalid and let him out of the country after 9/11. And about marriage scams to get green cards, and (interesting) a report that Khalid wanted to place guys at flight schools.

What's the connection to Atta?

Here's Flocco's "groundbreaking" article on the Schneider case:
http://www.tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=63

Flocco & Szym provide a lot of "reportedly" this and that. The ONLY source is Schneider, there is no evidence they talked to any of her alleged sources. Schneider's source is a Christine Sharrit who was "the victim of a marriage scam" (how? didn't she know what she was doing?) to get a green card for a fellow named Abad.

Sharrit claims Atta was living with Abad for years prior to 9/11.

Real reporters would track down Sharrit and get statements from her directly, or else tell us that she refuses to talk to them. Instead, we just have a direct reproduction of Schneider's claims.

I find the following difficult to ignore:

Flocco & Szymanski, classic purveyors of hysterical stories with vague but dramatic sounding allegations, constant talk of "illegal Muslims."

Always breaking ALL the most amazing stories, like last week it was the Schwarz bull-dada about A3's and probably non-existent grand juries in Albany. You'd think these guys wanted to just give the CT market what it wants to hear.

Flocco especially: VERY poor writer, never states his point clearly, works with innuendo, very circuitous in finally getting to whatever conclusion he was intending. (True also of Szym).

And so much pseudo-patriotic bombast from both.

Schneider's site at http://maryschneider.us/ is a nest of anti-Muslim propaganda ("not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims") and anti-immigrant propaganda (the Minutemen opposing an invasion of foreigners), Christian professions of faith, etc. etc., and precious little on her actual allegations except in .DOC files. (WHen she puts all that stuff in .htm or .pdf, I'll feel more comfortable about downloading it.)

The 9/11 truth movement came into mass consciousness last year. Since then we have seen a sudden march of new and suspicious whistleblowers who all seem to want to pitch to the right-wing CT market. Hmmm...

[Old and In the Way]

8. What if.........

Mohammed Atta and his band of well known hijackers (some who even studied at the Foreign Language Institute)....were part of the Live-fly hijacking simulation exercises on 9/11? Maybe they were acting as hi-jackers to add realism to the event....but became victims with everyone else on board?

Why don't we know whether 77, 93, 175, and 11 were part of the military exercise that day? Seems to me that would be quite a simple question that the Whitewash Commission coulda/shoulda asked...but didn't.

Of course, if they were, then that'd change the whole perspective of what really happened on 9/11/01.

[DrDebug]

9. Somehow the drugs thing makes more sense for Atta

About the airplane being part of the exercise: Definitely. It is the only explanation why no jets were scrambled and nobody cared. But that means that it is MIHOP. A small group knows what is going on, but you can't tell everybody, but the rest is told that it is an exercise like many times before. So they ignore flights 11,77,93,175. And most on the exercise don't know it either if you include even more "fake aircrafts" like they did, so even most doing the exercise can be involved without even knowing that their "fake" aircraft was a real aircraft.

Atta:
Feb. 15, 2001 in Germany he was turned down by Lufthansa because he had a record of drug crimes. They couldn't proof anything, but it was enough not to let him into the Lufthansa organization and then he returned from Germany back to the U.S.

It was stated by everybody that he was perfectly dressed - even on the photographs in the airport, but he didn't appear to be a real muslim either (smoking, partying, drinking etc.) Many have described him as a drug mobster. And that story makes much more sense. So did he take the flying school to become a pilot for a small plane. The kind of plane used in smuggling operations.

So let's say that you want to launch an attack and you need a patsy. And here is a guy who which could be useful. Finally after some investigation (contact was already made with him according to the official report) you manage to get some evidence for drugs smuggling. And then you make a deal: Forget about the drug stuff, we'll give you some money ($100,000) to start a life elsewhere and a new identity and you'll be the patsy. And he takes the deal.

According to the Sun Sentinel story they left August 1st. One week after he told his landlord that he had some money and was thinking of buying the place.

Makes much more sense. Mohamed gets caught mid July. He moves in August. On Sept 11th he arrives at the airport/takes the flight like they agreed, so there was some evidence. And then he disappears into the unknown together with his relative and their two children.

[demodewd]

11. Right on!

Gosh.Why didn't I think of all of this!! It makes perfect sense. Thanks Dr.

[Old and In the Way]

12. "he arrives at the airport/takes the flight like they agreed"

You mean Portland, right? He's all over Portland on the 10th.

But the problem here is him ever showing his face again. Somehow, I doubt he'd ever be allowed to just walk away. If your idea is true, Atta is still not amongst the living...

[ROH]

10. If you are right...

You wrote:
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What if Mohammed Atta and his band of well known hijackers (some who even studied at the Foreign Language Institute)....were part of the Live-fly hijacking simulation exercises on 9/11? Maybe they were acting as hi-jackers to add realism to the event....but became victims with everyone else on board?
--------------------

If you are right, what would be the most likely explanation for how the planes were flown into the WTC and Pentagon; would there have to be some kind of remote control?

[Old and In the Way]

13. That's always been my suspicion.

* All the Ratheon engineers/program managers for their RC systems business who died, coincidentally, on 9/11....I wonder if they may have had knowledge of the retrofitting of some commercial aircraft during the summer of 2001?

* Hanjour's flying feats over Washington on 9/11. How many washout Cessna pilots can manuever a 757 from cruising speed, execute a 270 degree turn while dropping 7000 ft and put it precisely in a part of the Pentagon where it'll do the least amount of damage.


* That C-130 aircraft who happened to be on the spot both for 77 and 93 crashes.

While I've seen no real conclusive evidence that 77 went into the Pentagon, I think they're probably holding back the tapes so they can do a major discredit on the whole 9/11 CT movement. The theories of switched planes, etc. just don't make much sense to me. I wonder if they purposely put those security frames out as a false flag, giving a deliberately vague impression that it wasn't a 757 (Because it sure dosen't look like one to me)? If the tapes ever are released and it clearly shows 77 going into the Pentagon, it will pretty much gut the whole 911 movement....while keeping the real conspiracy well hidden.

[ROH]

14. Interesting points

* All the Ratheon engineers/program managers for their RC systems business who died, coincidentally, on 9/11....I wonder if they may have had knowledge of the retrofitting of some commercial aircraft during the summer of 2001?

The various Ratheon employees on the flights seems to be at least another one of the apparent coincidences in the 9/11 events. For sure coincidences do sometimes occur, but at what point does a series of coincidences start to actually signal something more than mere coincidence?

* Hanjour's flying feats over Washington on 9/11. How many washout Cessna pilots can manuever a 757 from cruising speed, execute a 270 degree turn while dropping 7000 ft and put it precisely in a part of the Pentagon where it'll do the least amount of damage.

What is the probability that a relatively inexperienced amateur pilot, particularly one who was considered to be incompetent, could have executed those maneuvers at such speed and ending so low above the ground?

* That C-130 aircraft who happened to be on the spot both for 77 and 93 crashes.

Yes, that is acknowledged in the CR. Do you have any ideas about RC logistics with regard to the other two flights?

While I've seen no real conclusive evidence that 77 went into the Pentagon, I think they're probably holding back the tapes so they can do a major discredit on the whole 9/11 CT movement. The theories of switched planes, etc. just don't make much sense to me. I wonder if they purposely put those security frames out as a false flag, giving a deliberately vague impression that it wasn't a 757 (Because it sure dosen't look like one to me)?

Maybe so.

[Old and In the Way]

15. ideas about RC logistics with regard to the other two flights

Not really.....but given the targets, it would have been relatively easy to have a stationary ops center close by. Perhaps some kind of transponder beacon in the WTC's that could guide the aircraft in. Wouldn't necessarily have to have a C130 control platform to do that. Maybe the purpose of the C130 wasn't even RC...might have been there to provide control management of the potential intercepts; vectoring fighters away from intercept courses.

Some of the 1st AFBs calling in to respond to the hijackings requested scrambling with cannon ammo only....they were told to load everything (ATA missles). Why would they need more than cannon to intercept a commercial airliner? Those orders only delayed their response. I also wonder why they didn't send unarmed planes up to see what was going on in the cockpits? Wasn't anyone interested in seeing what was happening up there, given the communication shutdown with ATC?

[DrDebug]

16. As far as WTC goes, the antennas have been discovered

They were on the roof of the AT&T Telephone building next to WTC 7. The only pictures showing the antennas are during the WTC crash. Pictures taken after the crash don't show the antennas and pictures taken before neither. Notice that the crane are still there as well making it look like they've just erected them. And nobody is going to think twice about antennas on a telephone building, right?


http://911review.org/flight175photo.html

I love it that we've got mentioned at the site for our work as well LOL