I hate...I hate...the idea of crowing about the new job numbers.

[terrya]

Damn. This is horrible. I don't think people the likes of Lawrence Kudlow really understand what this is about...millions of Americans looking for jobs...and only 96,000 new jobs were created last month.

To the right wingers trying to furiously spin this...you don't understand the anxiety, the frustration...yes, the pain a lot of people are going through right now. I genuinely believe that John Kerry and John Edwards understand this. And I hope that Senator Kerry communicates this anguish that a lot of people looking for work right now are going through tonight in the debate.

This country simply can't afford 4 more years of this uncaring, unfeeling administration. It's that simple.

[louisvillelip]

1. POLL

please vote in this poll ... Kerry needs help

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6092749/

[terrya]

4. I voted. Thank you.

[Flubadubya]

20. Poll is badly freeped... Kerry 41%, Bush 59%

Question is "if election held this week who would you vote for?".

This is an MSNBC poll. I think we need to work on it A LOT!!!!

[JuniorPlankton]

2. Most people don't understand how bad it really is

We need about 150K per month to offset the growth of the labor force.
Anything less than 150K means a JOB LOSS!

[HughBeaumont]

8. Can anyone get the numbers

on how many months this shitty Administration has accomplished the necessary 150k + number?

My guess is about 6 or 7 of 46 months.

PAthetic.

[CarolynEC]

10. That's the un-reported story here

I watched an entire "analysis" of the job numbers on some newsmill channel or another, and not a single mention of this.

How do you get that gig, anyway? Sit in front of a camera, basically read the numbers out loud, and bingo -- you're an "expert analyst."

Ugh.

[demnan]

3. I was doing phone bank work last night

the first call I made was an unemployed hispanic gentleman whose son was over in Iraq. This guy was probably in his 50's. He kept saying, "I'm a good man, why can't I find work". I'll never forget that call. I tried to pursuade him to vote for Kerry. I hope I did for his sake.

[terrya]

6. Oh, God.

His son was in Iraq...and he can't find work.

There, my friend, is the human face of the Bush Administration.

That is truly heartbreaking. I think you persuaded him.

[snippy]

13. "I'm a good man, why can't I find work" How sad.

The answer is that you can not have cheap labor in a strong job market, and nothing is more republican than that.

[Dem2theMax]

18. Reading that is like a stab in the heart.

That poor man. And he's only one of millions. God help us - put Kerry in office please.

[unfrigginreal]

5. Here terrya, try to look at it like Atrios is

Given the apparent lack of administration flaks gloating this evening (I believe the executive gets a heads up the evening before, although I may have dreamt that), I'm guessing tomorrow's number won't be all that scrumdillyicious. I hope it's horrible. And, no I'm not actually hoping the economy's horrible and no one's working - what I hope is that one imperfectly measured data point comes in low to rob this administration of a spin point for tomorrow's debate.

http://atrios.blogspot.com/2004/10/all-your-job-are-belong-to-bush-final.html

[blueblitzkrieg]

7. Neil Cavuto on Faux News said....

in regards to the new jobs numbers, Democrats are looking at the glass "half-empty", and Republicans are looking at it "half-full". Unbelievable. Now we're pessimists.

[unfrigginreal]

11. The truth is that Repukes are looking at an empty glass as half-full.

[Maeve]

12. The bottom line is--fewer jobs than when Dubya took office

Not since the Great Depression...that's not pessimism, that's truth.

[liberal_in_GA]

9. I think Kerry will be able to explain what

these numbers mean. He'll make it clear this isn't good.

And kick for the poll. :kick:

[archineas]

14. best way to spin this number back to the truth it represents

just remind people that this averages to 1,920 per state for the month of september (and is likely to be reduced when the revised figures hit next month). if you care to go further, this represents an average of 64 jobs created per state, per day.

doesn't seem like very much, does it?

ohio has lost approximately 270,000 jobs under shrubbie. at a job increase rate of 64 jobs a day, it would take the state of ohio 4218 and 3/4 days to replace those. that amounts to just a little more than 11 and 1/2 years to replace those jobs.

"best economy ever"---my a&s!

j

[kerryin2004]

15. I think they changed how they calculated job numbers

I may be wrong but I believe they made a change to how they evaluated these numbers.. The process was the same for over 50 years, and then last month they decided that they needed to change..I wonder if this is the new system how bad would the old system calculated this?

[CarolynEC]

21. Good point! Maybe the Kerry folks are re-calculating the numbers...

... using the old formula, and will use it in some way today.

[dennis4868]

16. me too....

but we have to to get Bush out of Gore's house! After Kerry is elected than we will have someone in office who really does care and his answer to all problems will not be TAX CUTS FOR THE WEALTHY!

[snippy]

17. Republican presidents are always bad for job creation.

Since the 1920's, the annual rate of job creation under republican presidents has always been lower than under democratic presidents. But Bush is bad even for a republican.

You can not have cheap labor in a strong job market. Nothing is more republican than that.

Since the depression, not a single republican president has had a better rate of job creation than any democratic president. The highest rate of job growth under a republican was 2.2% per year during Nixon's time in office. The lowest rate of job growth under a democrat was 2.3% per year during Kennedy's time in office. Bush has had the first negative number since the depression.

You can not have cheap labor in a strong job market. Nothing is more republican than that.

Since WWII ended, a total of 57.51 million jobs were created during the terms of democratic presidents which is an average of 2.054 million jobs per year. During the terms of republican presidents a total of 31.11 million jobs were created which is an average of 1.003 million jobs per year.

You can not have cheap labor in a strong job market. Nothing is more republican than that.

The following chart is from July 2003, so Bush's current number of jobs lost should be around 600,000 instead of 2.37 million.



You can not have cheap labor in a strong job market. Nothing is more republican than that.

[KharmaTrain]

19. Dare To Bet These Numbers Will Be "Revised"

Probably next week after the debates are over, the Labor Dept. will "correct" this figure. We'll probably find out there weren't that many new job afterall, and of those new jobs, how many were temporary, or created government and other jobs geared to make this regime look good.

Kudlow is one of the most unabashed assholes I've seen in the assholiness of cable TV. He's a silver-spooner who probably never had to sweat a day in his Brahmin life and wouldn't know what it means to face another day not knowing how you're gonna pay the electric bill or which bill to pay first.

This scum probably is a shitty money manager as well...he was one of the worst whores during the dot com boom that defrauded billions from naive investors who were some of the first fleeced by this regime when the big boys decided to "correct" the market in 2001 making billions in profits on falling stocks while the little guys, the pensions funds and others took the hits.

If this is the best this regime can send forward, that's fine...it's like putting Thurston Howell III out there. Yeah, he'll reassure all those looking for a job their financial future looks good.

[polmaven]

22. The number of NEW unemployment claims

for the W/E 10/2 was 335,000....one week, folks....96,000 "new" jobs for the MONTH of September? Not a lot to crow about, Mr. (p)resident.

[papau]

23. GOP's favorite jobs report, the Household survey, shows 585000 jobs lost

Household Jobs show disaster-labor force drops 1 million, job loss of 585K

The GOP's favorite DOL jobs number, the Household survey number, shows bigger Job disaster than shown in the anemic 96,000 jobs gain in the payroll survey jobs number. The Household Survey reports 201,000 lost jobs in September since 139,681,000 were "seasonal adjusted" employed in Aug less 139,480,000 of Seasonal adjusted folks Employed in Sept., and that is a drop of 201,000 jobs. If you prefer numbers that are not seasonally adjusted, then 140,226,000 less 139,641,000, or 585,000 jobs were lost in Sept.

And that Steady 5.4% Unemployment rate is based on folks no longer being in the labor pool and therefore not counted as unemployed. The seasonal adjusted change is from 147,704,000 looking for work or employed in August to 147,483,000 looking for work or employed in Sept, or 221,000 folks dropped out. If you like non-seasonally adjusted numbers, then 148,166,000 less 147,186,000, or a huge 980,000 folks stopped looking for work or being employed in Sept.

NEARLY ONE MILLION FOLKS STOPPED LOOKING FOR WORK OR BEING EMPLOYED IN SEPTEMBER!!!!





http://www.bls.gov/cps/cpsatabs.htm

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Series Id: LNS12000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Employment LevelLabor force status: EmployedType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 138566 138301 138298 138576 138772 139031 139660 139681 139480



Series Id: LNU02000000Not Seasonally AdjustedSeries title: (Unadj) Employment LevelLabor force status: EmployedType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 136924 137384 137691 138423 138867 139861 140700 140226 139641



Series Id: LNS11000000Seasonal AdjustedSeries title: (Seas) Civilian Labor Force LevelLabor force status: Civilian labor forceType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 146863 146471 146650 146741 146974 147279 147856 147704 147483


Series Id: LNU01000000Not Seasonally AdjustedSeries title: (Unadj) Civilian Labor Force LevelLabor force status: Civilian labor forceType of data: Number in thousandsAge: 16 years and over

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 146068 146154 146525 146260 146659 148478 149217 148166 147186


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PAYROLL SURVEY 96,000 NEW JOBS IN SEPTEMBER

Series Id: CES0000000001Seasonally AdjustedSuper Sector: Total nonfarmIndustry: Total nonfarmNAICS Code: N/AData Type: ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS

Year Jan Feb Mar Apr May Jun Jul Aug Sep Oct Nov Dec Annual

2004 130194 130277 130630 130954 131162 131258 131343 131471(p) 131567(p)