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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:23 AM
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Can Bush's earpiece be jammed?
I believe so. Years ago, the Amazing Randi did something similar to the earpiece of a televangelist who used it to con people into believing he had prophetic powers. Of course, whatever technology Bush has got, one suspects its better than anything some two bit TV huckster was using. So it's anyone's guess.

If they're smart, someone in the Kerry campaign will set up some high power radio equiptment and just broadcast high amplitude white noise across all the frequency bands available to the transmitter. That's the most efficient way to degrade a signal you know nothing about.

Now, assuming Bush's receiver exists, and can be jammed, would the Kerry campaign have the balls (ovaries) to do so?
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:26 AM
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1. Even funnier...
Find the frequency and feed him phony talking points, ala Froggy the Gremlin...
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:27 AM
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3. I don't know if they can find the frequency.
Odds are this thing rotates through a set of pre-chosen frequency bands. Frequency hopping like this makes it less likely someone will pick it up by accident. Which is why I favor wide band noise.
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Lord_StarFyre Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:30 AM
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7. hahahhahaha
...I like the idea of feeding bogus info.

It would be even better if we had a "post debate" list of the bogus info so we could spend a few days hammering the smirking chimp with it.

However, since dumbshitya simply repeats what he's told in his earpiece, real fun could be had simply feeding him nonsense lines, like maybe the lyrics to "That's what I like" or maybe Nixon's "I resign" speech.
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BuelahWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:45 AM
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24. Abba Dabba Honeymoon would be good too
"Abba dabba dabba dabba abba dabba dabba said the monkey to the chimp..."
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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:28 AM
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42. Sounds good to me....
Or just chime in at the end of each talking point, "as I said to my good buddy Ken Lay"
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:31 AM
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12. UH UM, LET ME FINISH
The rain in Spain falls mainly on the plain , umm...


It would reason that the signals will be of military frequencies.



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MrBenchley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:30 AM
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44. My opponent has nothing but tower to Whiskey Tango Delta...
Edited on Fri Oct-08-04 10:30 AM by MrBenchley
descend to 24,000 feet and pessimism...whereas I offer America do you wish to declare a mayday?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:27 AM
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2. Bush IS a televangelist
That's exactly what he is.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:28 AM
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4. it was hard work but it was jammed
do you think Karl Rove told him to repeat himself all that time?
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:28 AM
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5. Ya' think?
That'd be something.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:29 AM
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6. No Need for Kerry to Get Involved
There are enough "irresponsible" Democrats around for a completely independent trickster to do this. It would be completely justified and absolutely wonderful if it happened.

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CityHall Donating Member (332 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:30 AM
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8. There are more effective
ways of finding out what size shoes the Secret Service agents wear.
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chum Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:30 AM
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9. For all practical purposes - no
Without knowing the frequency you would have to jam a broad band that would cut off all wireless devices.

But - what would be better than jamming it - tapping it. Love to put that audio on the web!
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:40 AM
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19. An idea...localize the jamming to Bush.
If they use a phased array of antennae they could create a "beam" of coherent disruption that could be focused specifically on Bush and his receiver. Outside of a small cylindrical region between the phased array and Bush the jamming would be nil...

I don't know if such devices exist at the personal scale. I've always wanted to make my own phased array radar...ever since I learned about them in junior year E&M.
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chum Donating Member (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:50 AM
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28. Something like that would not be small
But - I wonder if you had a broadband receiver with a directional antenna from a nearby building if you couldn't pick up and record any transmisstions. Then post it on the web.
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:27 AM
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41. Poster redpeter posted these instructions last week
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/10/298647.shtml

Is Bush using a wireless listening device? If so ... 02.Oct.2004 08:35
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redpeter
Is Bush using a wireless listening device? If so ...he is likely to be using a Completely-In-the-(ear)-Canal (CIC) earpiece, then it is likely to operate using FM technology.

People who or hard-of-hearing use assistive listening devices (ALDs) in conferences, theaters and other large auditoria to get Personal Address System sound delivered direct to their hearing aids or cochlear implants without any background noise which can be highly distracting.

If Bush and his handlers are using such a system, it is likely that it is operating using FM technology that is commonly found in ALDs, in which the latest short-distance transmitters uses a bandwidth between 216-217 mHertz. It is possible that a totally unique bandwidth was chosen, but then it would have to be customized, and not beyond the $$$ reach of the Bush campaign.

However, if we assume that Bush is wirelessly listening to his handlers, there maybe a way to check it out and listen in.

A Device made by Phonak (www.phonak.com) called a Microfield is able to scan the 216-217 mHz frequency range and will pick up any FM transmission in that range. (old technology uses 72-74 mHz, and the microfiled can also scan this bandwidht, but this range was recently sold off by FCC to a cellphone company, hence the newly designated 216-217 mHz bandwidth dedicated for ALDs).
(Unfortunately, Phonak does not list the Microfield, but I have a microfield receiver, and have seen them in operation)
on Police scanners could also work if they scan a wide enough range of frequencies.

The most important criteria is to be within 100-300 feet of these extremely short-distance transmitters.

If an audience member wearing a microfield can detect such a transmission, it would be interesting to observe hopw the bush campaign respond to such evidence.

FYI, if you are interested in how high quality "pirated copy" or bootleg recordings of concerts are achived, it is simply by using an available ALD plugged directly into a recorder. If the listener could also record Bush Handlers talking to Bush, this would be excellent evidence.

Perhaps some-one can test this hypothesis at the next debate doing this. Please forward this suggestion to interested persons going to the Ohio, St. Louis and Pheonix debates.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:29 AM
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43. Likely encrypted
any intercepted communications would be useless
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:30 AM
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10. if i was kerry i would call him out on it
"ive seen speculation that you are wearing a reciever. Id like to know what that hump is under your coat there? are you cheating mr president?"

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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:37 AM
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18. No way! A good attorney NEVER asks a question unless
he KNOWS the answer already. Unless Kerry has ABSOLUTE PROOF that Bush* is wired, he should NEVER do what you suggest.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:55 AM
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31. I'd slap him on the back
at the initial handshake.
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Homerr Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:31 AM
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11. The earpiece may be a good thing though...
It makes * look like a chimp in the headlights while he has Rove echoing in his skull, he can't multi-task and talk while recieving, he comes off totally inconsistent, and it furthers his own personal lack of critical thinking - basically you can watch the IQ points drifting out the other ear without the mic.

I agree this is a good story for the media to pick up on and make a bunch of noise about, just to make those chimpy even less trustworthy to the general electorate.
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life_long_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:32 AM
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13. Where exactly would you like to see it jammed?
I can think of only one place....
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:33 AM
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14. It's also illegal
If Peter Popoff -- the televangelist who was jammed by Randi -- had been legit, Randi would have spent considerable time in court.

The best way to interfere with these broadcasts is at the biocomputer stage. It appears to take very little to "jam" Bush's brain, and if Kerry can pick up on a rhythm established between operator and agent (Bush), he can easily disrupt it with vocal timing.

But personally, I doubt Bush is getting coaching through his earpiece.

--bkl
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:35 AM
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17. actually
Edited on Fri Oct-08-04 09:36 AM by lazarus
I thought he tapped it, not jammed it.

And if Popoff had been legitimate, he wouldn't have needed an earpiece. :evilgrin:
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 11:19 AM
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47. That's right ...
I remembered the name ("Popoff") correctly, but not JR's "counter-scam".

Intercepting radio communication is explicitly allowed by the Communication Act of 1936. (Or was it 1938?) Exceptions are made for things like war communications, but if you can pick it up and decode it, it's legal.

Of course, the Digital Millenium Communication Act cut into that just a wee bit ... but I don't think it would cover scams.

--bkl
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Homerr Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:33 AM
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15. How about just a high pitch every once in a while to make * spaz out?
Edited on Fri Oct-08-04 09:33 AM by Homerr
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:35 AM
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16. If you could find the frequency, it would be so much sweeter to simply
record what his handlers say, and then make a commerical showing what a puppet this twit is.

Other than than, broadcasting high pitched squeals across the range of frequencies so that he is constantly wincing and digging in his ear would make another great commercial, when juxtaposed with an audio overlay of the squeal.
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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:42 AM
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20. I may get in trouble for telling you this but...there is no ear piece
It is a conduction device similar to what was known as a bone phone.
For those of you who know what this is, one could not broadcast a wincing squeal of feedback... but you could induce a wicked tickle of low frequency. One could even broadcast some biologic signal frequencies that could induce strong psycho-physical emotions.
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:44 AM
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22. With whom would you get in trouble...
If I can safely ask?

Bone-phones don't operate on any weird ass frequency bands, like microwave or anything, do they?
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:06 AM
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35. It wouldn't make a difference what the conversion device is
whether it be a bone phone or an ear piece, some device is receiving frequencies off the airwaves and converting that to a signal for transmission to the the dimwit.

If you pollute the source frequencies being transmitted, the conversion device will respond to your pollution. It may filter the input to avoid physical discomfort, but you could certainly make it confusing for numbnuts.
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amber dog democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:43 AM
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21. It would be something pretty high tech
given that he has access to the best that the NSA, CIA and Pentagon have to offer.
The problem is that if this becomes wide spread knowledge within any of these agencies, there will be a few small plane crashes or whilsle blowing.

That does not mean someone could not identify the device and employ countermeasures. OMG ! The Dems need someone skilled in ECM to address this.

i would love to see a Milli Vanilli moment ! Let him whine and squeak his way out of it. But serioulsy, if the Chimp is so hampered that he can not even debate effectively on his own un aided, HOW MUCH HELP is it to have a little voice in your head commanding what you say?

We need to tap, or jam this device.

From Salon http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/08/bulge/index.html

< snypp> Jacob McKenna, a spyware expert and the owner of the Spy Store, a high-tech surveillance shop in Spokane, Wash., looked at the Bush image on his computer monitor. "There's certainly something on his back, and it appears to be electronic," he said. McKenna said that, given its shape, the bulge could be the inductor portion of a two-way push-to-talk system. McKenna noted that such a system makes use of a tiny microchip-based earplug radio that is pushed way down into the ear canal, where it is virtually invisible. He also said a weak signal could be scrambled and be undetected by another broadcaster. < Un snypp >
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elehhhhna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:47 AM
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26. Let's hook him up to BigDog's phone. Let BC help.
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Inland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:45 AM
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23. It could be jammed up Bush's ass with prejudice, see if he can still hear
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Homerr Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:46 AM
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25. He could hear fine, it's closer to his brain then.
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Not Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:49 AM
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27. Why bother?
Kerry mopped the floor with him last time. With his earpiece in place.
Let him have his toy. It'll get taken away January 19th.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:50 AM
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29. Maybe they should ask Bush to empty his ears before he steps on stage.
Whoops. Too late.
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MsMagnificent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:52 AM
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30. Spread spectrum
According to my engineer husband Spread spectrum cannot be jammed; or easily jammed he now qualifies :)

I have no idea what that is. But, as much as I hate to say it, he's usually always right. I owe him thousands in lost bets now :D
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:55 AM
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32. You can't jam with spread spectrum noise...
or you can't jam a spread spectrum signal? I assume he means the latter.
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Heath.Hunnicutt Donating Member (454 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:17 AM
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37. It's not spread spectrum
One of the CNN cameras or remotes accidentally picked it up. I wonder if it is AM radio.

If anyone in a position to place me reads this -- I'd love to help with this.

Heath
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hippiechick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:56 AM
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33. Send him 'The Macarena'
:evilgrin:


:hippie:
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 09:56 AM
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34. Only a small problem
with the Secret Service ear pieces and other national security equipment.
You would have to know exactly what Bush is using or you would be assaulting national security. So it sounds like a fun way to get Bush worried, but it is less simple than it sounds. Even a harmless dog whistle with only annoyance value would also reach people's hearing aids?

No, this may be fun to tweak Rove's paranoia but Bush has performed so abysmally with the device(if such is the case) that it would be like removing a handicap. It would do great harm but probably is not necessary.

Who on earth on the spur of the moment would be able to feed Bush anything except safely prepared script which is insufficient for extemporaneous trouble? Can't even do that and Bush's divided concentration is as fatal as a gaffe at this point.

Exorcising Bush of his voices can be done by knocking him off script as Kerry has done very well.

Still, if there is a way....
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kcwayne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:09 AM
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36. You are right about the logistics of transforming his message in real time
They should forget all the sci-fi stuff and just use hand signals.

He only has three talking points anyway, and his handlers could just hold up 1 finger for Sadam Hussein, 2 fingers for tax cuts, and 3 fingers for 9/11. That ought to about cover it.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:18 AM
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38. Brilliant. Now scan the audience for ventriloquists.
Bush on rope a dope will be much much worse than Cheney. I suspect they must do something emotive and outreaching to the audience.

Put Bush off his game before then and pre-empt if possible, destroy when employed(except for that cute final script such as he smirked with last time). They are aiming to create the plausible sound bite NOT win any substantial debate. I think too they may well risk Bush playing to the crowd to show a better side or making a wild jab at Kerry.

That "global test" life preserver is something they need much more of and will single out predictable Kerry statements to twist, not wait for any opportune gifts. I might add Bush has been given a free pass on things that would have destroyed even other GOP candidates of the past, but the chickens are literally coming home to roost. They will risk all those to carry some positive illusions into November and hope for a relative victory in bettering last week's meltdown.

After this week there will nothing left except money, dirt and fraud. The creeps doing that facing direct Democratic opposition may start jumping ship too.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:23 AM
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39. Considering how badly he lost the last debate
I say let him keep his earpiece. He's so drugged up and delusional that he can't seem to form coherent sentences with what they're feeding him anyway. AND the weird pauses and the accidental responses ("let me finish!") make him look even crazier and more confused.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:25 AM
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40. Didn't they do something like that in Fletch Lives? n/t
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henslee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:35 AM
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45. mid debate, Bush will go "So that's two cheeseburgers, one french fry...
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-08-04 10:56 AM
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46. How about finding the source of the voice?
Who would be the Voice, Karen Hughs? Was she at the last debate?

So if I understand this correctly,

Question gets televised.
Voice watches question on TV
Voice speaks into microphone
Microphone hooked up to something we will call @#$
@#$ transmits to box on Bush's Back.
Box on Bush's Back transmits to device in Bush's ear.


A seven second delay would help a lot.

If Voice is not getting the question on TV, but is in the building, a sweep by Kerry's secret service detail might be good.
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