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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:24 PM
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Bush was WIRED in first debate!
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 07:36 PM by newsguyatl
geez when is mainstream tv media going to pick up on this?!?

i've viewed the shots from the first debate again both in slow motion and freezing the video and he is MOST DEFINITELY wired. i'm absolutely convinced of it. not a shred of doubt in my mind. the wire going up the right side towards his shoulder is as clear as day.

if he wasn't, then why won't his campaign just say what it was??? instead, they're all dancing around it, or otherwise dismissing it as looney.

now note that in this last debate with kerry on friday, there was something else back there, much bigger, perhaps a back brace. no doubt this was worn to throw-off the allegations from the first debate.

i'm not a conspiracy theorist, but i'm no idiot either.

i know what i saw with my own eyes. and i know his campaign won't respond.

certainly there's a reason for that.
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:24 PM
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1. Is CNN "mainstrean"?
they picked it up tonight
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:26 PM
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3. yeah?
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 07:27 PM by newsguyatl
what time? i haven't watched tv all day.
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NightOwwl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:32 PM
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8. I stopped watching CNN after the DNC...
but I'd tune in to see this. What did they say about it?
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:40 PM
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10. What program? n/t
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flowomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:24 PM
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22. It was part of their regular news package....
they played it straight.... he said/she said..... came across very well and left the impression Bush might have cheated!
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mzmolly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:24 PM
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21. What was said?
:shrug:
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meisje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:25 PM
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2. The thing is....
if he was wired, it failed!
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:28 PM
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4. I agree
with this post

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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:30 PM
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5. no, see in that picture
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 07:32 PM by newsguyatl
that's perhaps a jacket or back brace.

that's not the same thing that was underneath his jacket on the first debate.

here's the wired pic
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:38 PM
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9. But where is the wire going?
And could the fact that he hunches all the time be related to the wire somehow?

I thought he hunched (often thrusting one arm/shoulder forward) to appear macho. Could the wire be involved?
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:55 PM
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17. The "wire" is actually an antennae.
http://www.spyworld.com/Surveil5_LawEnforcement.htm

That is the closest think I've seen to the exact shape of it..
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:23 PM
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20. Looks like Bush is checking Kerry to see if he has one too.
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:31 PM
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6. Geez
if that is his performance WIRED, I don't even want to see what he's like without any help, shit.

That guy doesn't just suck, he suckity-suck-sucks.
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:31 PM
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7. If shrub was wired...
then there's some moran in the shrub administration stupider than shrub, cause the help he was giving sure didn't sound like good advice. Is it possible that someone is stupider than shrub? Yikes!
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the_outsider Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:41 PM
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11. maybe there was a technical glitch and that thing did not work
remember in the first debate he was pausing a lot before starting his mumbles. Maybe he was not getting any feed and that completely flustered him..
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:50 PM
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13. If he was wired, I'm wondering also if it failed to work the first debate
which is why he gave such a disastrous performance, even by his very low standards, and seemed so upset.
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oldtime dfl_er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:42 PM
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25. a lot of people ask that
why, if he was wired, did he do so badly? I don't think that whoever was behind the curtain was feeding him complete sentences that he then parrotted verbatim, it would be more like they were prompting him with phrases and buzzwords, that he would then put in "his own words". He is perfectly capable of giving a disastrous performance (as he did) if Rove is prompting in small bits("wrong war wrong time") rather than Cyrano de Bergerac-ing with full sentences.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:43 PM
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12. Prompting someone in real time
Is harder in reality than it would seem to be. Bush seemed to be getting the hang of it by the second debate. He should be even better by the third. What we need is someone on the inside who is finally disgusted by how low they have sunken.
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:51 PM
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15. Or somebody to jam the signal
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Edwardsgroupie Donating Member (101 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:50 PM
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14. Well then he must have been wired to Rev. Jim Ignatowski
I hope they keep wiring him if his first debate performance was indicative
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charlyvi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:58 PM
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18. Yes...
Let's write letters to B/C04 to keep shrub wired for the last debate! I didn't think it possible, but this is actually something shrub's worse at than being president.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:54 PM
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16. what does the video show that is so conclusive?
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:15 PM
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19. Just maybe someone jammed his
wire in the first debate and only bits and pieces came through for him, is why he was so terrible. :evilgrin:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:27 PM
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23. His answer on the environment in debate #2 seemed wired to me
Have a look at this paragraph:

Off-road diesel engines -- we have reached an agreement to reduce pollution from off-road diesel engines by 90 percent. I've got a plan to increase the wetlands by 3 million. We've got an aggressive brown field program to refurbish inner-city {long pause} sore spots to useful pieces of property. I proposed to the United States Congress a Clear Skies Initiative to reduce sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury by 70 percent. I have -- was fought for a very strong title in the farm bill for the conservation reserve program to set aside millions of acres of land to help improve wildlife and the habitat.

Even as I was watching, it seemed weird to me that Bush could rapidly reel off phrases like "an aggressive brown field program" or "a Clear Skies Initiative to reduce sulfur dioxide, nitrogen oxide and mercury by 70 percent." His memory for details just isn't that good. And it was even weirder because those accurate details were mixed with classic Bushisms like "increase the wetlands by 3 million," "inner city sore spots," "was fought for a very strong title," and "to help improve wildlife and the habitat."

Something just a bit different seems to be going on a few moments later when he says:

Now, I'm going to tell you what I really think is going to happen over time is technology is going to change the way we live for the good for the environment. That's why I proposed a hydrogen automobile -- hydrogen-generated automobile. We're spending $1 billion to come up with the technologies to do that. That's why I'm a big proponent of clean coal technology, to make sure we can use coal but in a clean way.

There it sounds as though he's being fed phrases and repeating them once verbatim and then rephrasing them more stupidly:

hydrogen automobile --> hydrogen-generated automobile
clean coal technology --> use coal but in a clean way

Is there any way he could switch in and out of gear like that unless he was being prompted? I can't imagine how.
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janx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 09:21 PM
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24. Yep. That doesn't sound like Chimpy verbiage at all. n/t
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