One of the pretty good guys on CNN....

[snowbear]

Jeff Greenfield (lately anyway - IMHO) has done an incredibly good job with the majority of the analysis he's been giving.. :thumbsup:

This guy ---> http://www.cnn.com/CNN/anchors_reporters/greenfield.jeff.html

For example... Wolf asked him yesterday if he could try and decipher why some polls show Bush tied or slightly ahead in a few of the battleground states.

Greenfield =barked= at Wolf saying something to the effect of ..."Are the networks - us included - suffering from such short-term memory syndrome that we've all completely forget that in 2000, ALL of us had it wrong?"

"We sat here like fools updating every poll that rolled down the pike and what was our end result?" "The end result was that ALL of us were DEAD WRONG... pure bunk"

He added- "I don't care what your polls report today or how they change tomorrow. I look it at kind of like the Boston Red Sox when everyone wrote them off... when they were down by 3-0 and the Yankees had three runs to knock them out of the series. Yet look what happened"

"So what do we do? - We sit here day in and day out announcing ever-changing polls, and none of us really have a clue if they'll even be close as the polls finally close the night of November 2nd"

Jeff actually looks disgusted x( everytime someone asks him about the latest polls - because he said he thinks the media are obsessed with them.

If he had his way, there would probably be one monthly poll announced, but it was be a mathematical calculation of all of the polls combined. I doubt he'd bother with individual polls because the discrepancies in them IRK him! Not from the way he's sounded lately anyway.

I dunno... He seems to have such a different personality than Bill Schneider.

After he went on about how far off they were during the past presidential election, Wolf was like... "uh.. ok then.. uh... let's move on to something else"

Also, after the debates, Jeff was in complete disgust when he talked about the "spin room" and what happens in there as soon as the debates are over.

He thinks they're nothing more than a place to congregate and try to get on the national media to spout off hot-air and LIES like there's no tomorrow! He claims they're catering to the gullible.. but that if it were up to him, it would be one of the first things he'd get rid of.

Anyhoo.. ;) It's tough watching most of that crew (Aaron Brown is ok ;) ) .. But Jeff Greenfield sure seems to be one of the honest few there these days! :hug:

[Cobalt Violet]

1. The Media definitely do think their polls mean something.

But as we know they are so flawed as to be a useless predictor of anything.

[bullimiami]

4. hmmm. i have not, in the past, been impressed by greenfield but

this is refreshingly honest for a change.

maybe his koolaid is wearing off.

[snowbear]

2. Jeff....

And bascially... what it all boiled down to when Jeff was harping on how crappy polls were.. was that in 2000, most polls showed Bush over Gore by an average 13 points in most the polls....

Jeff says Bush won by 300-something votes.... (after the thosands of ballots were tossed... after all of the problems...) but he still insist that he (Bush) was NEVER 13 points over Gore as their polls suggested.

I wonder if CNN plans to announce their flippin' poll numbers every single day?> :crazy:

[wishlist]

3. CNN Headline news running Jeff's analysis all night-don't count out Kerry

Headline news at least is featuring the AP poll that puts both candidates at dead heat and reveals voters seem open to change.

They are repeatedly running Jeff Greenfields piece debunking premature predictions about the outcome. Glad this is running to counteract some of the pundits who are trying to convince viewers that Kerry can't win since Bush leads in some polls.

[Bluebear]

5. I still won't watch CNN anymore but that exchange as reported was great!

Maybe he can quit CNN and get a job at a more reliable media outlet. Oh, wait, journalism is dead. My bad. :)

[NightOwwl]

6. He's much thinner than he used to be. I'm probably way off base...

Losing weight too quickly + a change in attitude (in Jeff's case, from somewhat constrained to openly stating unpopular views without fear of reprisal) may = someone who is very ill.

Listening to so-called pundits criticize and belittle your opinions is a minuscule blip on the radar.

[annabanana]

7. Perhaps Jon Stewart's appearance on Crossfire

inspired him.......

[PCIntern]

8. Jeff Greenfield

When he was on CBS many years ago on the Sunday AM show with Kuralt, he was in the tradition of CBS newsmen, intellectual, incisive, and honest. His media discussions were erudite, making that moran Kurtz and his minions sound like the Marx Brothers. He was consistent with CNN for a while and then he started shillling somewhat but never entirely sold his soul to the Devil.

I think he's right here - I think that these bastards are lying about this race in order to generate excitement, ratings and to ultimately get their boy back in the WH. What no one on these networks ever mentions is that a return of * virtually guarantees the regression of 50 years of progress including Roe V. Wade, and it mystifies me how all these people who are, even if you hate their guts, rather 'worldly' in an 'in crowd' sense, could possibly be for such repression of the souls of so many people. I'm not naive, I'm not stupid, but is it really the Zeitgeist that fascism is all right here in the USA?

Lasst night on Hardball, Tweety was making the case the * never said he would outlaw abortion. Well that's true - he can't all by himself, but we know what the judicial and legislative agendas are. Tweety was once again being intellectually dishonest. And I hate it when he talks about growing up in Philly. He's a real Delco asshole - if he were a real Philadelphian, he wouldn't be so transparent.