Born Agains are"forgiven" everything, why did * execute Carla Faye Tucker?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

:shrug:

[The Chronicler]

1. Because he is a master Satanist (nm)

[JuniorPlankton]

2. Out of all *'s "consistency problems"

this is not the biggest.

Fucking asshole!

[Kagemusha]

3. Old anime saying: God may forgive you, but I won't. Same for Bush

nt

[NewYorkerfromMass]

4. No compassion to go with the conservatism. eom

[forgethell]

5. "Forgiven"

doesn't mean you don't have to pay the price if you committed a crime. Besides, just because God has forgiven you, doesn't mean that the people you wronged, the state, or whoever has.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

7. So you feel that she needed to die?

[sangh0]

9. Did forgethell say that?

Why personalize the issue? forgethell was just trying to explain how the religious right feels about this. Why attack him/her for trying to help by putting words in his/her mouth?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

12. I asked a question - I did NOT attack! Lighten up

I wanted a clarification - geez

[sangh0]

15. You should know better

You didn't ask for a clarification. When you ask a question like that, there are obvious implications. You've been on DU long enough to know that.

IOW, there's a big difference between "What did you mean by that?" and "So you think ....?"

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

16. Fair enough - I'll concede that - however, I WAS looking for clarification

I will try to be more concise next time

- peace

[sangh0]

18. I believe you

From what I've seen, you've made a commendable effort at not being hostile. You get the benefit of the doubt from me.

However, good intent doesn't come through when you ask those types of questions. That's all.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

19. I appreciate it

:thumbsup:

[forgethell]

25. See my above post

for clarification.

[Bridget Burke]

20. Quite a few of the religious right wanted her to live.

She'd been "saved".

[forgethell]

24. thank you for your help,

I am, by the way, a "he".

But I don't mind answering the question. "Needed to die"? No. But no injustice was done to her. She had a fair trial, and she knew wha the penalty could be before she did the crime. The point, though, is: should a religious conversion affect a sentence of death, or even a term in prison. I think not. One, only God can truly see into a person's heart and knows if they repented. Two, justice is not just for the perpetrator, but for the victim. None of us can forgive for somebody else. Say a murder victim is my brother. I can forgive the murderer for taking my brother from me, but I have absolutely no right to pretend that I can forgive him on my brother's behalf for taking his life. It is offensive to think otherwiswe.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

32. Ok - I find it offensive to kill anyone

Life inprisonment is more humane

[spanone]

38. If you believe in God and his commandments you have to be

against the death penalty. Thou shalt not kill. It doesn't say except for state executions or wars or any other trivial man bullshit. Thou SHALT NOT KILL period.

[indigobusiness]

6. Killin'...

is hard work.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

13. I know it's hard work

[indigobusiness]

14. I should've put that in quotes

tweren't my words

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

17. I know - I was giving you the second part of the quote

:)

[indigobusiness]

28. doh...duh

dang

[madrchsod]

8. power

and sexual perversion..sade wrote some very interesting things about how they are intertwined.

[sadiesworld]

10. Only the wealthy and powerful are forgiven here on earth.

The poor and powerless must wait until the hereafter for absolution.

Dominionist Theory 101.

[harrison]

11. Just because God forgives you doesn't mean that Ceasar

does.

[The Magistrate]

21. Unfortunately, Mr. Truth

She was killed because the creature then Governor of Texas is a genuine sadist, who derives sexual enjoyment from the suffering of people. His jocular comments in the matter leave no room whatever for doubt about this.

"The bleating o' the kid excites the Tiger."

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASATARDS!"

[PerfectSage]

22. Dubya on Carla Faye Tucker:

Dubya: "Uh, gosh, I said I was a porn again christian, I don't think I ever said I was a born again christian, that's kinda one of those uh, eggs-aggerayshuns."

B/C No Mo’ Years :party::toast:

[momisold]

23. Being forgiven ....

doesn't mean the consequences go away. And when I say forgiven, it could mean forgiveness from different sources....God, mankind, your spouse or family, friends, yourself.

Having unprotected sex may mean STD's, AIDS or pregnancy. Drinking and driving can be fatal. Using your tongue as a weapon to wound others can cause irreparable harm. Misusing company funds can destroy a company and cause people to lose their jobs. Etc Etc Etc..

Being forgiven doesn't take away those consequences. You can be forgiven but carry the aftermath of the bad choice forever. Being sorry, repenting doesn't take away the consequence. Being forgiven doesn't mean you are exempt from the responsibility of what you did.

[jmowreader]

26. I would have executed her because of the heinousness of her crime

Karla Faye Tucker killed two people with a pick axe. She deserved the sentence she got.

What I don't forgive is Bush sitting on television, curling up his lip and mewling "Mr. Governor, don't kill me" when he was asked what he thought she'd say to him if they were ever to meet.

Folks, the only things Bush has ever pardoned in his life are the three live National Thanksgiving Turkeys they presented to him. And I'm fairly confident that Karl Rove has to sit there every year going "no, George, you can't execute the turkey even though one did bite you in the nuts. Yes, George, we know you're tough on crime. We know you've never pardoned a man in your life, but this is tradition. If you start screaming "off with his head" and wave around the .38 you stole from the National Guard arms room, my whole next press conference is gonna be about fucking turkeys. And then I'll have to come in here and beat your ass. So make nice, pretend you're happy to be in front of the peons for twenty minutes, pardon the turkey like a good boy and we'll be sure to have the White House chef leave the cocaine shaker on the table at dinner tonight."

[TexasSissy]

29. Me, too. I have no problem w/her execution.

[PurityOfEssence]

27. He was just helping her on her way

All that can be perceived doesn't really matter; the joyous afterlife is all that matters. Although it may seem cruel and capricious for Junior to scoff at a penitent's pleas, he was really much more in sync with the Alfrighty's heart, and knew that it was time to send her to her reward.

After all, why should she languish in Texas prisons when she could be free of these mortal shackles and soar to her indescribably perfect reward right now?

[orpupilofnature57]

30. Like most of America * doesn't ,represent born again Christians

Porgie wouldn't make a pimple on a born again ass.

[mvd]

31. Simple..

In reality, he only respects life before birth! He is a big hypocrite.

[PurityOfEssence]

33. Junior was just doing the lord's work, sending her to her reward

It wasn't punishment, it was a blessing so she wouldn't have to endure this mortal folly any longer.

The George moves in mysterious ways; blessed be the name of the George.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

34. There Were Lots Of Mitigating Factors In Carla Faye Tucker's Case...

Certainly enough to commute her sentence...


And the Christian concept of forgiveness doesn't include not being responsible for the consequences of your actions...

[ikojo]

35. Carla Faye Tucker happened to have been a woman

who murdered men.

She was also not from the top tier of American society. If you notice, the professional fundies dont' often hang around with working class people. Working class and poor people are only used as props during the holiday season so that the fundies can put on a show of compassion.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. In Fairness Pat Robertson Pleaded For Her Life As Did The Pope...

nt

[IronLionZion]

36. So he could mock her and laugh about it

why do "pro-lifers" love to kill human life?