WHERE did all these new Republican voters come from in Florida?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

I'm comparing the 2000 numbers in Florida to 2004 and the numbers are way up for the Dems but also even higher up for the Repubs. The question is: I understand where the new Dem numbers are from (they got the black vote, college students, etc. out) but where did all these new Repubs come from?

My friend was saying it was the churches who organized all of these voters. Could this be true? I thought all those people already normally voted....

[City Lights]

1. kkkarl's plan was to energize the Bible thumpers.

I was skeptical about it working because so many of these voters are already concentrated in red states.

The number I heard being thrown around was 4 million across the country. Don't know specifics about FL.

edited for clarification

[OneMoreDemocrat]

4. I think that 4 million number was a fiction..........

created in advance to be able to point to a segment of the population to explain why Bush did so much better this time around.

Or to explain it another way, all of these 4 million people have the same last name: Diebold.

[RememberTheCoup]

9. right on

[gauguin57]

13. Politicking from the pulpit is grounds for revocation of a church's

tax-exempt status.

I wish we could have gotten to a lot of churches where people were being encouraged to vote a certain way (BUSH'S WAY) and fucking ratted them out to the IRS!!!

[ComerPerro]

2. If it is the churches, they should lose their tax exempt status

Because that is just fucking bullshit.

There are some legitiamte places for Christians to worship in this country (I would like to believe) but I am sick and tired of these fundie assholes pushing for Republicans under the protections of Religious Freedom.

[RinaJ]

3. Look at the large number of red counties in Florida from 2000

It's not that surprising, sadly. And at least here in Jax there was a lot of negative mailings and such about Kerry.

[SoCalDemocrat]

7. look at voter turnout numbers by precinct

Compare voter turnout by precinct.

Contrast against Evoting precincts.

I predict turnout is lower, and/or Bush results are higher, for precincts using EVoting in Florida.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

11. Do we have a list of counties in Florida that had e-voting?

I know Collier did...

[CHIMO]

15. Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results

Found this from a thread in Editorials.

http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

[m berst]

19. do my eyes deceive me there?

Am I seeing what I think I am seeing there? How are you reading those numbers?

Thanks for posting this.

on edit - kick

Maybe I am reading this wrong or something, but these results look impossible to me. In a county where Dems outnumber Republican registrations 7-2, for instance, and where turnout was 77% (!!!) Bush won the county 7-2?

Someone either has to tell me what I am missing, or we are looking at massive fraud right here clear as can be.

Can others look at this and tell me if I am seeing it correctly? (the link in the post above)

[CHIMO]

21. Have Not Analyzed

The data, but the way it looks to me at first glance is that the optical scanned readings are showing quite a few negatives for the Dems in the % change column.

A gut question that I have right off the bat is this: Were the ballots given to registered Dems different than those given to registed Rep. ie were there two or more stacks? Or were some of the scanners not working properly? Makes me wonder?
I would want to have a manual check of some of the counties if that were possible.

[m berst]

23. what I see

Those results are not credible. Scroll down to the optiscan totals. The Diebold totals at the top of the page look OK, but on the optiscan results in county after county Republicans supposedly showed up in numbers that are 2, 3, 4 times the number of registered Republicans living in the county (predominantly Dem counties) while Dem turnout was down. How could you expect a 77% turnout in a predominantly Dem county (7-1 Dem over Rep) and yet have Bush win that county by 8-1?

FDR didn't trounce Hoover that badly. Reagan didn't flip counties that much against Mondale. LBJ didn't against Goldwater. That kind of mirror flip flop of results is just not possible.

I have never heard of a Democratic county getting 70-80% turnout and going Republican at all, let alone 5-1, 7-1, 8-1 Republican.

[CHIMO]

26. I Don't Know

But when god is involved, then who can tell. Maybe it was something like multiplying the loaves? Or maybe something else...?
Don't have a logical answer.

[Milo_Bloom]

24. One thing I am a bit confused about.

From what I am reading on that chart, it looks more like the problem was in the optical scan areas than in the DIEbold areas? or am I reading something wrong.

[CHIMO]

25. That Is What I See

At first glance. That should allow for a manual check from the input cards. There may be other abnormalities embedded somewhere that would appear from some statistical analysis. But just standing back and eye balling it the negative % change hit me in the face. Which is the same as what you are seeing.

[m berst]

29. not a problem, a plan?

Sleight of hand. Misdirection. We focus on the touchscreen results. Changes are made to the optiscans. We focus on Ohio. The "problem" is in Florida.

[Roland99]

28. According to that...100% of Republicans were voting in many counties!!

That just does NOT seem right!

The only thing I can think of is that people who are registered as Democrat aren't really Democrats or at least don't vote for Democrats. It's like that here in KY. Many register Democrat to vote in primaries for a weak Dem candidate and then vote Republican in the fall election.

[m berst]

30. more

In counties like Calhoun 5 times as many Republicans showed up to vote as were registered, yes? 3,780 votes for Bush, some 700 registered Repubicans. That is some massive turnout! Everyone showed up 5 times.

[batchdem04]

5. according to CNN Exit's poll

Kerry won first time voters by 13%

[leftofthedial]

6. Diebold County

that new county in south northern central Florida.

[jackstraw45]

8. DAMN RIGHT

and sometime in December, 2005, we'll learn about the MASSIVE fraud. But America won't be paying attention AGAIN because of the war in Iran.

Or the North Korean nuclear crisis.

So comforting that Dim-Son will be there to make ALL THE WRONG MOVES again and again and again.

[phish420]

10. THEYRE FROM TEXAS!!! I tried and tried to tell you all...but NOOOOOO

I have been reporting in this forum and my forum on my site for MONTHS about the texas take over of FL, but NO ONE listened...everyone thought I was a crazy nut case. I knew they were invading (probably ohio too)...
It makes sense if you think about it...
ALL OVER Florida you have little places like Campus Crusade for Christ, which is just a front for a recruiting organization for college republicans. Go to CCC's parking lot in Narcoossee, FL (I have many times, as I have to work on their evil ass computers all the time)...now count the TX plates...its unfuckingbelievable. There are about 10 times as many texas plates on the roads in FL as there are GA plates, and GA is ADJACENT, Texas is NOT.
I can PROMISE you, they set up temporary residence, shipped over from STRONG red states, to get more votes in the battlegrounds.

But of course, Im just crazy. wtf do I know?

[glitch]

22. Let us know when they all mysteriously disappear from where they came

if they haven't already. And no, I don't think you're crazy.

[Milo_Bloom]

27. Are voter rolls public?

Phish:

Excuse an ignorant questions, but are voter rolls public information? Not how someone voted, but the actual roll itself?

For example, can we get all the names of the registred voters in, say, Liberty Country. It's fairly small so it should be somewhat easy.

It may be possible to then cross-check those names against actual residents of the area and residents of Texas and Georgia. If we can find a pattern in a small county, we then can look at the larger ones.

This would also explain something to me. I couldn't figure out why the GOP was so hyper about having challengers set up to challenge new voters and prove they had ID. Seem fruitless since most people carry their ID with them and/or can easily get proof of address. HOWEVER, when you are running your own scam, you become hypersensitive in thinking that other people are doing the same.

Is there any way we can look into this?

[Crunchy Frog]

12. Jeb's secret cloning laboratories.

Sorry, just being silly.:silly:

[Tweed]

14. Church

[JI7]

16. yes, churches

[Eye and Monkey]

17. they are "virtual voters"

And they'll be with us as long as BBV.

[nomatrix]

18. Gotcha I was going through the numbers

this is based on 2001 registered voters.

Granted some had listed none as party. But the shift in some counties was from heavy democrat to GOP. I don't know because I don't live there.

[m berst]

20. n/t

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