Will we invade Iran?

[jfern]

Something seems to be up.
Thoughts?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/23/11422/946

[donheld]

1. Will the next pope be

Catholic?

[chicagojoe]

2. Just a matter of time...

...now that that pesky Powell won't be around to possibly be the voice of reason.

[Dem2theMax]

3. I'll be surprised, no, shocked, if we don't.

:-(

[Brundle_Fly]

4. They'll need another

attack on the country, to get their draft thru, and international opinion etc...I suspect its a 2 year plan...

[Mike Niendorff]

5. Obviously : yes.

All you have to do is turn on any of the corporate news channels for about 15 seconds, and all you hear is set-up-the-pretext propaganda. They're not even bothering to try and make it believable or subtle anymore. All that matters is that the foot-soldiers have their talking points and a few scripted "news" shows to point to if they encounter a doubter. The real predators are dancing in anticipation and preparing for phase 2 of what will probably be another World War. The "religious" loons, meanwhile, are dancing with glee and praying for an all-out apocalypse -- "Dear Jesus, please help Mr. Bush kill lots and lots and lots of people, so that you can come back and take me away to live in fairyland. PS: please kill everyone who doesn't like me. Amen." Next street over, the closet thugs are cracking their knuckles and polishing up their clubs, in search of someone to hate. Yeah, it's all going down. Buckle up, America. The drunks just grabbed the wheel and hit the gas.


MDN

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

9. nicely put , --my sentiments exactly

The older evangelists realize they're gonna die sometime soon and would like to take the rest of us with them.
If they can't have life on the earth then no one can.
And they actually think that if they bring about the "Apocalypse"( which is just a mis-interpretation of some wacky symbolic story),
then they won't have to die,--!!!---they'l just cruise straight up to "fairyland " as you put it.
These guys are in charge of our military arsenal, so it's just a matter of when.

I think they're going to :nuke: Iran---not enough troops to invade and they just love blowing up big shit.

[tavalon]

12. Wouldn't it be hard to get the oil

out if we nuke the country?

[one_true_leroy]

26. I've wondered that, too...

especially since the oil ain't exactly flowing like water in Iraq.

[indigo11153]

6. Yes,

Iran is next. What got Iraq invaded? 1. they have oil. 2. they cut a deal to sell it to other countries (not to the US) after sanctions were lifted. So sanction were not lifted we invaded.

Iran has oil and has just cut a deal to trade with Europe.

BIG mistake. Thou shalt not sell oil to any country but Jesusland. (Page one in your neocon bible.)

[Sufi Marmot]

7. Not unless we find ~500,000 additional troops...

Without a huge number of bodies, all we can do is bomb them (which is just going to provoke them into conducting terrorism by proxy...) We have, what, ~150,000 troops in Iraq, we probably should have had at minimum an additional 50,000 to do the job properly. Iran is ~3.7 times the size of Iraq and has ~3 times the population. I don't see it happening, and if they try to reinstate the draft, it's going to make the late 60's look like the 50's....

-SM, who ranks the Iranian nuclear threat relatively low on the list of things to be freful about...

[Mike Niendorff]

8. re: "...which is just going to provoke them..."

Now you're catching on.


MDN

[Kindigger]

11. Are we sure Powell was a "voice of reason"?

The Bush administration is recycling the lies that it used to invade Iraq: Iran is acquiring nuclear weapons that will be given to terrorists. In a display of loyalty to a ruthless neocon administration calculated to win him appointments to corporate boards, outgoing Secretary of State Colin Powell told reporters that Iran was working on nuclear missiles.

http://www.antiwar.com/roberts/?articleid=4028

Also from:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A57465-2004Nov17?language=printer

Even though:
As was the case with Iraq in the months immediately preceding Bush's invasion, the IAEA has found no evidence that NPT-proscribed materials have been stolen or diverted, nor that Iran is engaged in any NPT-prohibited activity. In particular, there is no evidence that Iran has been enriching uranium in the facilities it has constructed or is constructing.

In the same article...again:
This week retiring Secretary of State Colin Powell appeared to be developing a rationale for launching – or condoning – a Bush preemptive attack against Iran, just as he did just before Bush launched his preemptive attack against Iraq.

http://www.antiwar.com/prather/?articleid=4023

:wtf:

[NIGHT TRIPPER]

10. no, they'll re-instate the draft with little opposition

One "event" is all it takes now...even a mini 911-
red alert-
then it's military law,
(under the guise of "temporary" security)
then,
patriot act rounds up all opposition(political and otherwise),
and protests become illegal.

no 60's hippie peace shit this time--

And the best part = Permanent pResident--
he's never leaving and there will never be another election

and people will look back and say "no one saw it coming"--
All we have to do is open our eyes--it doesn't take much to notice the chess pieces falling into place for a checkmate on our "democracy".

[tavalon]

13. sigh

and people will look back and say "no one saw it coming"--


Now, we've been reduced to no ones. I hate having a Cassandra Complex.

[nickinSTL]

19. all we can do is bomb them...

(which is just going to provoke them into conducting terrorism by proxy...)

Exactly.

What better way to sell the draft and an invasion of Iran than by provoking terrorist attacks on US soil?

:scared:

[Hog lover]

28. Lack of troops not a problem - the draft is coming

Give 'em basic training and send 'em over. Hey, more of those younguns killed will cut unemployment rate here, right?

[BonjourUSA]

14. Did you look at a world map ?

A last definitive step toward the WWIII

[quaoar]

15. Here's how the scenario might unfold

1. Bush declares that Iran is not complying with agreements to stop enriching uranium. Noises about making sure U.N. resolutions are respected get louder.

2. Bush orders cruise missile strike at Iran's nuclear facilities. Radiation contaminates 300-mile radius. Bush declares the world is now safe.

3. Iran sends troops across the border of Iraq to retaliate against American troops.

4. An outraged Bush goes to Congress to demand a declaration of war. Congress complies and orders a draft.

5. Neo-cons point out how Syria has been in league with Iran all along, decide to make it a two-fer.

[arwalden]

16. YES!!! (If Not Invade... We'll Have Air Strikes)

[peekaloo]

17. YeeHaw...gots to get a direct route to the Caspian sea.....O-I-L in dem

dar waters. Caviar for everybody.

:-(

[bemildred]

18. I dunno about Iran, but something is up.

I sense a shift in the force. There are many possible new
agendas, some more "rational" than others, and it is obvious
that the status quo is a losing proposition.

The same rhetoric was trotted out in VietNam at times, as part
of the "Vietnamization efforts", so don't put any of this in the
bank just yet. It could be a rhetorical ploy to support getting
the elections done, to reduce international pressure, to do many
things.

Watch what is done, and where, that will tell you what is up much
better than any amount of public blather. Public blather is never
intended to inform you.

[lthuedk]

20. Where have you been? Haven't you noticed...

...the propaganda, the fear, the talk of needing more troops & the troop reduction in Iraq?

http://www.light-to-dark.com/chicken.html

Stephen Pitt

[RuleofLaw]

21. Something is up.

Yesterday there was a post about 100 tanks being redeployed from South Korea to Iraq. Now, I don't know what good a tank would do in Iraq today, since it is urban war fare. But Tanks are useful for invasions in desert terrain. (Like Gulf War I)

[Zynx]

22. No invasion

It's not just a matter of us needing another half-million troops, which we do, and would need to draft.

Training and equipping these would take at a bare minimum two years.

Further, combat in Iraq ran over a billion a day. War with Iran would be about four times that at least and would go on for god knows how long.

The US simply CANNOT afford to do this.

[zulchzulu]

23. Armageddon demands we invade Iran to get to the End Times

So yes, it is needed to make the Lord come back and save the Believers in the White House and the Red States and get rid of the evil unmoral Democrats and their paganistic followers in the Blue States.

/sarcasm

[Tyler Durden]

24. Wrong word: not "will" but "WHEN."

rePukes have wanted to piss on Iran since the Shah got the boot.

[Aristus]

25. Shit. We couldn't invade Costa Rica right now.

We just don't have the military strength. All our armed might is going down in the tar pit of Iraq. And a draft won't help. If they send this ex-M1A1 Abrams tanker one of those cockamamie letters, I'm sending it back with a great big "GO FUCK YOURSELF" written on the back.

[UpsideDownFlag]

27. not an 'invasion'...'strategic air strikes'. nt

[lthuedk]

29. The ripening of the fraud suit should get the distractors busy.

Its at least time for a major battle.