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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:27 PM
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Kucinich is here to stay. He got delegates last night.
Remember that to get any delegates he had to meet the 15% threshhold and he met that in enough caucusses to get results and delegates.

DENNIS KUCINICH SPOKE TO HIS SUPPORTERS LAST NIGHT

Some would think it's unwise to suggest that when you have 1% of the delegates that somehow you can take that as a springboard to the nomination, but I will say that kind of daring and fearlessness is what this country is actually looking for at this time, because if we have learned anything over the past few weeks, it is that the political condition in this state and for that matter in this country is very volatile, that somebody's up one day and down the next. So this campaign is always going to be committed to consistent principles which I believe at some point the American people will wholeheartedly embrace and I'm going to begin with this: and that is the principle that we must work for a peaceful resolution of the situation in Iraq which means bringing in UN peacekeepers and bringing our troops home. Let me tell you that while this becomes urgent that some of the election results already are being interspersed as being a rejection of the message about getting out of Iraq.

I will make a prediction that the American people, as this campaign season continues to advance, will begin to focus very sharply on this question of Iraq and the connection between the positions of the various candidates and what those positions will mean with respect to that prospective nominee and whether or not we're going to continue to be in Iraq. This campaign, and we are at the beginning of this campaign, will offer the American people a sharp contrast with all the other candidates.

Now there's one candidate, Al Sharpton, who has also agreed that we should get out of Iraq, I want to make that clear. And we ought to be grateful for him taking that position. And we should credit when someone takes that position. But in this race here in Iowa we began the debate, I stood alone in putting that message out to people.

But this is just the beginning and we need to recognize that. And being at the beginning of a debate is an important moment, because we start to lay the basis for a continuing discussion nationally about the wisdom or lack of wisdom about this country's position on continuing the war against Iraq and continuing the occupation. I want to review this tonight, because this is really going to be the basis for so much of our campaign down the road. All of the other democrats in this Iowa debate just kind of swept this position aside, and said we're going to have to stay the course, we're going to be there for a long time, and there's nothing we can do about it. We've got to clean up the President's mess.

Our campaign is the vehicle by which our soldiers are going to have their security protected. We have to. We have to recognize that we're at a dangerous moment with respect to Iraq. Where the Iraqi people, 100,000 Iraqis, marched through the streets of Baghdad in a nonviolent protest demanding that this American government stop this effort to basically rig the elections in Iraq. That our government must take a whole new direction. We must take a Boston where we go to the UN and say look,

We're giving up the ambitions to oil
We're giving up the ambitions to contract
We're giving up the ambitions for privatization
We're giving up the ambitions to contract
We're giving up the ambitions to control the government of Iraq
That we want a new approach and working with the new world community We want to bring in UN peacekeepers
We want to bring our troops home
We want to help rebuild Iraq
We want to provide help to people who lost their lives, the innocent people
We want to help provide for UN peacekeepers
Because that's the right thing to do

We're going to keep this campaign going

We're not going to let this go

We're going to keep this campaign going

We're going to go on to New Hampshire
We're going to go on to South Carolina
We're going to go to New Mexico and Arizona
We're on our way to the west, the north, the south,
We're carrying this campaign all the way to the convention

And we will win at the convention
And we will win because

we stand for social and economic justice
unifying the world bringing peace and stability to Iraq
and the only way we're going to do that is to
Bring in UN peacekeepers and bring our troops home.
Our President said "Bring 'em on" and I say "Bring 'em home". Bring our troops home. And so you know the polls talked about us having 3% support. Every delegate here raise your hand, I want to explain what these delegates represent. This means in these precincts that we got 15% of the vote. All around this state we had people who were able to demonstrate that by rallying together we were able to get 15% of the vote, that's how we get delegates. That's how we have delegates in this room right now, and there are many more outside the city of Des Moines that are celebrating tonight that they're going to be delegates. But we have to recognize something. This election we started off one of 9 candidates considered to be in 9th place, because we came to Iowa, because we campaigned in Iowa, over the period of the last 11 months, we moved up from 9th to 5th.

So what we need you to do now is to join with us in continuing to organize as we go state to state. So we need your help in continuing to raise money at our website at kucinich.us, we need your help in continuing to assist us in organizing in other states. The ones that are near Iowa, for those of you who are able to drive, you can help us. We need your help in continuing to build this grassroots effort. We recognize that we've taken the first step today. But the first step is the most important when you are taking a journey of a thousand miles. But this step that we took today is a step that demonstrates the courage of this campaign, the commitment of this campaign, the heart of this campaign, the spirit of this campaign, and the spirit of all the people who are in this room and all of the people who all over America are counting on this campaign to really bring the light of peace to this nation and the world.

Now Chet Quinn talked about Dr. Martin Luther King, and he gave a speech at Riverside Church in New York, and I believe it was in 1967, where he talked about the war in Vietnam, as destroying the hopes of peoples of two nations. Of Vietnam and of the United States. This war is already costing the American people, the treasure of so many of our young people, 500 casualties, as well as great financial losses. Now I am letting you know that I am going to be there for you every step of the way. And that we will either bring these other Democratic candidates into an identical position or we are going to sweep them aside as we go to the nomination.

Now tomorrow, at 3:00 this morning, I'll be on my way to New Hampshire to show you that I'm not going to miss a beat, waste any time or get any sleep. And what I will be talking about as I arrive in New Hampshire is an issue that is greatly affecting the people in New England, and that is trade. And how people there are losing so many industries because of these trade agreements that have basically enabled giant corporations to just move jobs out of this country in quest of lower wages. Every working person in this country realizes that corporations are trying to drive down wages. So what we need to do is to raise this issue. I talked about here it in this state and I'm going to talk about it in New Hampshire as well. How urgent it is that the United States totally change the direction it is going on trade. And that it is urgent that we repeal NAFTA and the WTO and go back to bilateral trade conditioned on workers rights, human rights, and environmental quality principles. And I will continue our campaign for universal single payer not for profit health care.

So once again let's talk about you, let's talk about what you've done to help us win delegates. I cannot thank you enough. I'm ever so grateful for the demonstration that you have made of your commitment. Remember that it was 15% that enabled you to be able to stand here as a delegate or to recognize the work to gain a delegate in your precinct. That's an enormous statement of the work that was done in a campaign that most people said there wouldn't be any chance we could get numbers like that.

You accomplished something. Now think of what that means, as we keep that spirit going, as we communicate that courage and that love. I am so grateful for your support, I am so grateful for the contributions that you've made, and I will carry this goodwill and these wishes and this energy with me to New Hampshire to begin our campaign to take the message to New Hampshire and to get some more delegates! Thank you very much!"

WHAT YOU CAN DO TODAY

Call your local television stations and ask them to air Dennis' State of the Nation address, which is available to them via satellite live at 1:15 Eastern.
Give them this link:
http://www.kucinich.us/pressreleases/pr_011904a.php

Keep an eye on the media!


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HFishbine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:30 PM
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1. Doesn't Kucinich know it's immature to focus on the war?
Or so it's said on DU.
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robsul82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:31 PM
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2. Holy geez is that long.
I hope DK gets some more if he intends to get to the convention.

Later.

RJS
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:31 PM
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He came in 4th, didn't he? Right next to my guy.
We better be praying the anti-war candidates do better than this in NH. I believe they will.
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:31 PM
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3. Thanks for posting this
Of course, anyone in DK's camp knew he wasn't going anywhere anyway. The man has determination to see the campaign through. So do the vast majority of his supporters.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:37 PM
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4. I'm here to stay. I believe in voting my conscience and I'll vote for
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 09:01 PM by genius
Kucinich no matter what happens in any other state.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:01 AM
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31. Our goals as DK supporters
Hang tough with DK..Take the pressure off no one will counter Dubya on the success of 'private medicine." No other Democratic has a plan other than some patchwork bs,already...Liked way Braun pointed out success of their medical plan in New Zealand where she was the ambassador...
Goal of DK..Have enough delegates to demand a minority resolution on trade and Medical care. No one else will....Iowa effected me not at all...My check book is still open to DK.
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knight_of_the_star Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:47 PM
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5. He may still be here
But I think he will be hrere more as the conscience of the party rather than the candidate.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:49 PM
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6. In the primaries, he won't have the 15% requirement and he'll
get better known as he runs. The better known he is the more likely he is to win. I wouldn't be surprised if the Convention goes to a fourth vote before selecting a candidate and what better candidate than America's conscience.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:34 PM
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22. Yes he will have to get 15% or so
In most states there it is in the party rules to get national delegates a candidate must get at least 15% in a congressional district. It could be low at 10%, high as 20% but he won't get national delegates at 1%, 2% or 5%.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:51 PM
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7. DK should consider not taking any more donations
He is not running a serious campaign, and so, in a way, he may be taking donations under false pretenses. Anyone who drives with a reporter in a campaign van to a campaign function located at a facility run by a yogi who teaches people to perform some kind of "yogic flying," is not running a serious campaign. And if he thinks he is, then he is either being disingenuous, obtuse, or is deluding himself.
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Virgil Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:57 PM
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8. You are sadly mistaken
DK carries a strong message. It does not resemble anything you said.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:16 PM
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16. Where did I mention his message? It is his campaign that sucks
His message is fine, for the most part. But his campaign is bogus and verges on the self-absorbed.

And frankly I find some of the comments of his supporters here disturbingly out of touch with what is happening out there. Iowa and NH are really the only chances DK has (had, really; his chance is gone now) at getting support. After that, it's all about the TV and radio spots and money.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:58 PM
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9. He is serious about becoming President and I plan to attend his
inauguration.
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:02 PM
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11. me too
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 08:59 PM
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10. C'mon cryofan
Fess up. You are not a DK supporter. Your posts make that painfully obvious.
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:11 PM
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13. I like his message/issues/platform, but no longer support his campaign
It's just too bogus a campaign. It would be a waste of time and money for me to support him any longer. I will likely cover over his bumpersticker on my car with one or more stickers from other democratic candidates. The T shirt I will keep.
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:12 PM
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14. Your choice
Just don't feel too bad when DK comes out on top. :)
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:19 PM
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18. living in a dream world, now, aren;t we? -eom
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AnAmerican Donating Member (769 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:23 PM
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20. Better than living without hope and promise
n/t
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:20 PM
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19. Check out his results when there is not minimum and when he's better known
As the campaign continues, he'll do better and better. Iowa doesn't have that many delegates. The significance of Iowa is that all the publicity Dean got and the fortune Dean spent didn't help him.
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:52 PM
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23. You forgot to add the part where you say you're a Kucinich supporter
You're slipping tonight.

On your behalf, I just convinced my sister to send him $500.

I'm already maxed out thanks to "supporters" like you.

Thanks. You're a real trooper!
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cryofan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 10:17 PM
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24. At this point, DK's only real role will be in the debates
Edited on Tue Jan-20-04 10:18 PM by cryofan
Where he can get out a progressive message to America. I just hope he can do a better job of that than he has so far. He has done well in the debates, but only in the sense of being competitive with the others in a tit for tat way. He should really concentrate on message, and forget about trying to get votes. That is over for him. But he should really go for selling the progressive platform.

On the other hand, part of me thinks he should just get out. CorpGovMedia has really been able to color DK's issues with his own personal eccentricities. Thus, he may be damaging the progressive agenda. In a way, he is a dream come true for the corporate capitalists that infest politics, business and pop culture. What better way to marginalize progressive issues than to have Dennis represent them: small and somewhat strange looking; surrounded by New Age concepts and supporters....a dream come true for them....

Yeah, maybe Dennis should just get out. He should stay in politics, of course, and run for the Senate. We could use him there. But he should be low profile.
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tinanator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:53 AM
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27. aint he sweet?
lol friends like that, nobody needs. Mole man.
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cyclezealot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:03 AM
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32. Might as well.
Edited on Wed Jan-21-04 08:04 AM by cyclezealot
No one else out there I will open my check book to.Unless their issues get better..My vote is all they will probably secure.After DK my check book is open to Sen. Barbara Boxer and a couple others.
Besides likes of Kerry don't need my money, they gets lots of big donors going their way.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:38 AM
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36. DK went to a function at the Maharishi University of Management?
In Fairfield Iowa? Or was it some other yogic flying place?
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corporatewhore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:09 PM
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12. he will get the tickte and chomsky will endorse him!!!!
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:15 PM
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15. DK got zero national delegates
These were delegates elected to county conventions. He would need at least 15% of the delegates in a congressional district to even hope to get delegates when it comes time to elect them for the national convention.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:18 PM
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17. No one got national delegates last night. The process isn't finished
yet. It takes a little over two months.
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ISUGRADIA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 09:30 PM
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21. I'm aware of that
but when it comes time in April and June to elect delegates DK is starting with an equivalent of 30 of 3000 delegates that will vote for the national delegates. He did not elect people who elect national delgates. In fact 1/3 of his statewide vote came out of Jefferson County (DK- 29%), where Maharishi University is.


This doesn't mean he won't have supporters who are are alternates who may become delegates to the congressional conventions (April) and state convention (June). But I can't see him get to 15% at either of those

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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-20-04 10:24 PM
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25. Yes, he is.
He has said it over and over again. All those predicting about "who will be next" need to leave him off their list to keep it viable.

He's answering questions in NH, live, right now. Specific, detailed discussions of audience questions. Showing as always, that he owns the issues.

http://www.kucinich.us


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Loren645 Donating Member (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 12:03 AM
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26. Thank you genius. This country needs more Kucinich.
More like him; more of him.
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hedgetrimmer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 01:23 AM
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28. the power of the light...
is with the people...
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ThirdWheelLegend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 02:12 AM
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30. the voice of the people... Kucinich
Go Dennis!


TWL
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Desertrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 02:04 AM
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29. Kucinich has his own strategy in this campaign....
and Iowa is only the beginning. Great post!

I would not be too hasty to count him out, thats for sure. He has the tenacity of Seabiscuit!.....a "small dark come from behind horse" kinda candidate.

Go DENNIS!
:yourock:

Peace
DR
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iowapeacechief Donating Member (331 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 08:41 AM
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33. Nick Johnson's upbeat Iowa evaluation
Nicholas Johnson is a law school professor in Iowa City and a former FCC commissioner. Here is a bit of his optimistic post on the Kucinich4President list last night. See the full text at http://www.nicholasjohnson.org/politics/kucinich/IAcaucus.html .


In Kucinich4President@yahoogroups.com, "Nicholas Johnson" <njohnson@inav.net> wrote:
<...>
Let me give you the perspective of an old Iowa graybeard with Iowa caucus experience over decades.

I see nothing in the caucus numbers that give me anything other than continued enthusiasm for Dennis Kucinich and his continued efforts.
<...>
Given the way the caucus system is structured (rigged?), the resources of the other candidates, and what we were able to do, I think this is an enormous accomplishment on Dennis' part.

Clearly he did many multiples better, measured by number of caucus_attendees_ (rather than committed county convention delegates), than the poll projections of 1-3% support.
<...>
We are all in the debt of Dennis Kucinich for making the greatest sacrifices of all with his leadership and exhausting undertaking. Nothing any of us do can come close to what he has done. He is on his way and so are we. Let us be about it, each in our own way.
<...>


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rhite5 Donating Member (510 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 09:33 AM
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34. We accomplished what had to be accomplished last night!
I am thrilled.

I have not maxed out yet on contributions so I can give $100 a month between now and July.

As the situation in Iraq continues to deteriorate, I absolutely believe more people will turn to Dennis for clear, sensible answers and plans. It will force the other candidates to get beyond the "soundbites" about the Iraq War and start developing real plans themselves. -- something that will carry some meaning for families with kids over there that makes sense and looks doable.

So far, the others have not gone one step beyond saying they oppose the war. Once they do that, some meaningful discussion/debate can take place and the public will pay attention and demand more of the same.

The same thing will start happening with trade and banking and jobs issues -- all wrapped up in the Free Trade topic.

Yes, Dennis is the catalyst that will force this primary season to start getting serious. By convention time, his issues will heavily influence the platform. No question in my mind about that.

Democrats who want to ridicule Dennis and continue to advise him to get out --- well, they just do not get the seriousness of what has to be done.

It is all about the issues. Not how tall or short someone is!
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-04 10:35 AM
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35. Stay, Dennis, Stay!
DK gets my sentimental vote.
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