Kerry uses Zell miller as an endorsement?

[Egnever]

Just heard him on CNN saying Zell miller says I gave the best speech he ever heard.

This guy Just doesnt even come close to getting it.

[David Dunham]

1. What Zell Speech? In 1990s, Zell was a real Dem

[Egnever]

3. not a zell speach

He was defending his ability to win in the south by saying Zell miller thinks he would be great in the south.

As if we give a rats ass what Zell Miller has to say at this point.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

2. Not to be rude...

You may wish to edit your post. "saysd" kinda throws me off, as I think it does others.

[Egnever]

6. done

no worries I am a typo fool!

[Monte Carlo]

4. And what is 'it', exactly?

I've been dying to know what Kerry's been missing.

[Egnever]

8. that we are sick of republican light

Or maybe you prefer it?

[wyldwolf]

5. "It?" IT? it?

Something I kept hearing from people going after Clark (and now Kerry)

____________ just doesn't get it.
fill in name

Get what? What is this "it" that only a few people obviously get?

[meegbear]

YYYYEEAAAAGGGGHHHH!

What do you mean 'This guy Just doesnt even come close to getting it.'? Please give the full context by which you heard him say that on CNN.

[Egnever]

9. Judy was asking him how he intends to win the south

After explaining that Edwards said he would do better than Kerry in the south.

Kerry went on to say that Zell Miller thinks he would do great in the south and that he had given the best speech Zell had ever heard.

[meegbear]

19. And how does that tie into

'This guy Just doesnt even come close to getting it.'?

[Egnever]

28. So you think its a good thing for him to prop up Zell?

Personally I think Zell is scum. If kerry wants to use him as a way to try and make himself look better thats his buisness but it makes me want to puke. Your reaction aparently is different. By all means feel free to revel in Kerry pushing his compliments from Zell if you want. It just reafirm my feelings that this guy will say anything to try and get elected.

[Uzybone]

7. LOL

Nit, meet your picker.

[Egnever]

10. So I take that to mean

You think Zell miller is a great endorsement?

[sangh0]

13. It was a compliment from Miller, not an endorsement

Try again

[Catholic Sensation]

15. So... He believes Zell Miller thinks Kerry could do well in the south

and that's an endorsement? Zell Miller already endorsed Bush.

[Walt Starr]

11. Oh boy, Zell miller REALLY convinces me!

:eyes:

[KoKo]

14. Maybe we have a new name: The Zell Miller Wing of the Democratic Party!

:D Sort of takes the heat off Liberman. Actually Lieberman is more a Democrat than Zell at this point. sheesh!

[blm]

18. Look at Dean's actual record. Further right than Lieberman

especially on deregulating businesses and his civil liberties statements over the years sound like Bush. Appalling.

The way Dean scorned the liberals throughout his career while aligning with the Republicans is EXACTLY what Zell Miller does now.

[QC]

63. Shhhhh! We're not supposed to talk about that!

[overground1]

44. LOL

[dreissig]

52. Don't Knock Zell Miller

If the Democrats nominate Kerry, I'll be looking for a write-in candidate. Zell Miller's name is a good one - it's easy to print, easy to remember, easy to spell. Z-E-L-L M-I-L-L-E-R

There are advantages to a write-in campaign for Zell Miller. The name is unique! Every vote for Zell Miller is a vote that would have gone to John Kerry.

[sangh0]

12. Very dishonest

to imply that a "compliment" is an "endorsement". I guess tha't why there's no link

[sallyseven]

16. Zell ZMiller endorsed bush

Kerry must have been facetious.

[Egnever]

17. It was just on CNN how am I suposed to link that?

And kerry was the one implying it was an endorsement not me.
Take it up with your guy.

[Catholic Sensation]

22. did he use the word endorsement?

[Karmadillo]

23. Now it's an "implied" endorsement?

n/t

[sangh0]

31. Who can tell?

The initial post wasn't very accurate, and I haven't seen anything to correct it from the initiator.

[Egnever]

32. Correct what?

Kerry implied Zell thinks hes great.

Like thats a good thing. You dont like it take it up with kerry. Personally I think its just more evidence he will say anything to try to get elected.

The title doesnt say kerry ws endorsed by kerry. It is a question Kerry uses Zell as an endorsement?

Thats what he did take it up with him. I couldnt believe when I heard it I can understand why you dont want to believe it either.

[sangh0]

36. There was no endorsement

You said there was an endorsement. There wasn't.

[Egnever]

47. you keep repeating that

but I never said ther was. He used Zell as an endorsement is what I said.

[sangha]

57. And I bet you can't explain what that means

What does it mean to "use it AS an endorsement"? How does one use an endorsement? In my experience, most politicians use their endorsement by saying "I have received So-and-So's endorsement"

Did Kerry say that? Or did Kerry use Miller's compliment as a compliment?

[drfemoe]

64. dictionary.com

indicates they mean the same thing ..

Entry: compliment
Function: noun
Definition: praise
Synonyms: acclaim, acclamation, admiration, adulation, applause, appreciation, approval, blessing, bouquet, buttering up, cajolery, commendation, comp, confirmation, congratulations, courtesy, encomium, endorsement, eulogy, favor, felicitation, flattery, good word, homage, honor, kudos, laud, laudation, notice, orchid, ovation, panegyric, posy, regard, respects, sanction, sentiment, tribute, veneration


Synonym: A word having the same or nearly the same meaning as another word or other words in a language.

Is dictionary.com "dishonest" too?

[sangh0]

65. learn how to use a dictionary!

The word "endorsement", when used in a political context, has a more specific meaning than "compliment". Also, synonyms are known for often having different connotations than the original word. That's why we have different words for similar, yet differing, subjects. That's why you should have looked up "endorsement" in the dictionary, and not "compliment". If you had done that, you would see:

1) The act of endorsing: The athlete was highly paid to do endorsements of products.
2) Something, such as a signature or voucher, that endorses or validates.
3) Approbation; sanction; support: The candidates competed for the union's endorsement.
4) An amendment to a contract, such as an insurance policy, by which the original terms are changed.

None of these apply to Miller's complimenting Kerry's speech or Kerry's odds for success in the South. Miller did NOT endorse Kerry. Miller complimented the speech, not the man.

[mitchum]

48. He allegedly said that the speech was great...

not that Kerry was great. This was not an endorsement. But you already know that.

[Egnever]

33. It was a question to begin with

whats your problem with that?

You think its great that he uses Zells compliment to prove how he will win the south?

[sangh0]

37. "Innocent" questions are against the rules.

If you wanted a real answer, then you should do as the admin suggests -- Google it.

Meanwhile, you said that Kerry claimed he had an endorsement from Miller. I don't expect you to admit your mistake, even though you have now changed your language in recognition that you did make a mistake.

[Egnever]

39. so alert it

Get it Deleted or locked.

Nothing dishonest at all Kerry used Zell millers compliments to suggest thats why he would win the south sugesting that Zell thought he was the best candidate for the south. Kerry is willing to say anything to become president aparently.

ASgain you proud of him waltzing out sell as his proof?

Transcripts will be available tomorrow I will be happy to posts his comments then.

See you tomorrow

[sangh0]

41. I notice you stopped using the word "endorsement"

but still, you won't admit that using in the intial post was inappropriate.

[Egnever]

46. Kerry USED Zell Miller as an endorsement of why he will win the south!

There I used it again call it what you will Kerry tried to imply That zell thought he was the best Dem to win the south.

Again You think kerry using Zell as his Defense in the south is a good thing?

[sangh0]

66. And that's not even a compliment

Saying who has the best chance is not a compliment. I think Bush* has the best chance of winning the Republican nomination, but that is not a compliment or an endorsement of Bush*

[sandnsea]

27. In reference to the south

They elect him so I don't see why a Presidential candidate would want to alienate his supporters.

[dreissig]

53. Alienating Supporters

Kerry's unwillingness to alienate centrists is the reason he voted for the war. He wrote off the antiwar Left because he thought we'd forget about it by the time of the election. The strategy seems to be paying off for him! He just won the Iowa caucus, and his legions are scolding the antiwar Left for scuttling the boat.

However, there's still a problem . . . we're still here, and we're not going away. In a pluralistic society, groups have to enforce solidarity. The antiwar cause is too important to let Kerry get away with warmongering. Maybe there aren't enough of us to make a difference, but we'll find out. Hubert Humphrey wrote us off, too.

[ACPS65]

20. School's out

.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

21. Ouch

Someone please tell Kerry that Zell's compliments are not exactly things to brag about these days.

No big deal, though.

DTH

[IndianaGreen]

34. Zell Miller is supporting Bush

Why not? When it comes to the war and the PATRIOT Act, Kerry is a Bush clone.

[David Zephyr]

61. Ouch! Ouch! Ouch!

Now, that's something, isnt' it: Kerry and Bush fighting over Zell.

I hope Zell will show up and campaign with his buddy, Kerry.

[killbotfactory]

24. Nothing says "Southern Democratic Landslide" like Zell Miller

Who praises Bush.

[sandnsea]

25. Southerners elect him, that's the point

He gets it. I can't understand why people think alienating 3/4 of the population is a good thing.

[killbotfactory]

26. Kerry should go campaign for Bush like Zell.

Then he'll be REALLY popular in the south!

[dreissig]

51. Alienating Voters

Good point! Don't alienate voters. Don't nominate John Kerry.

[DJcairo]

29. Kerry also mentioned Max Cleland

I'd remind you that Dean said he wanted confederate flag sporting types to support him. Of the two, I'd prefer the Zell Miller supporters. Wouldn't you?

[Egnever]

35. They are different?

[sangh0]

38. Yes

they are different.

[Egnever]

40. How?

[sangh0]

42. Cooperation is a two way street

When you supply facts to back your assertion that there was an "endorsement", I will supply facts about the differences.

[sandnsea]

43. Zell Miller fought to remove the flag

Guess that kind of gets forgotten in all of this.

"Black legislators have been trying to remove Confederate imagery from the state flag for more than a dozen years. The effort gained steam in 1993, when then-Gov. Zell Miller, now a U.S. senator, pushed the Legislature to remove the Confederate battle emblem. Lawmakers rejected the idea, and Miller nearly lost his re-election bid the next year for having proposed the change."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/04/25/georgia.flag.flap/

[JI7]

59. he deserves credit for that

i find it interesting how kerry and him talked to each other after zell miller's attacks on kerry which are in the book. this is another example of kerry not taking things so personally. i think max cleland might have something to do with it.

[flaminbats]

30. my hero!!!

:loveya:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

45. Birds of a feather...

Why am I not surprised?

[mitchum]

49. *Disingenuous post there

[Egnever]

54. How so?

[mitchum]

58. You KNOW how so...

unless you're a savant

[George_Bonanza]

50. Do not throw "endorsement" around in a political race

Miller has endorsed Bush. Maybe Kerry was trying to get the point across that even Republicans think he can do well in the South. This thread should be closed.

[HazMat]

55. Zell Miller is a popular southerner,

arguably the most popular politician in Georgia.

I'm sure if a conservative Democrat endorsed Dean or commended somethign he did, and Dean found that it could help him in a conservative primary state (like South Carolina), he would be happy about such an endorsement. Anyone would. Kerry is not compromising his beliefs by saying that Zell Miller liked one of his speeches. People from opposing ideological camps can sometimes see something good about one another, only if it is one thing.

If Kerry's going to win the SC he's going to have to reach out to some of those Zell Miller Democrats who may disagree with us on most issues, but would still see Kerry as a great American for having served his country so honorably in the military and in government. (Let's not forget that Miller is a conservative but he is strong on civil rights -- he opposed the Confederate Flag-- the African American community in the South loves him, to my knowledge.) Kerry comes across as tough, calm and strong .. especially on national defense -- a huge issue in the South. Southerners tend to be very patriotic, and Kerry having been on both sides of war debates (e.g. Vietnam vet and anti-war protester) is the one Northeast liberal with the credibility to convince moderate Southerners that patriotism also means the right to dissent.

[drfemoe]

62. Southerners

especially love someone who can take both sides of an issue.

Southerners tend to be very patriotic, and Kerry having been on both sides of war debates (e.g. Vietnam vet and anti-war protester)

Wait, no they don't. Yes they DO. No, not really. We're all schizophrenic you know.

[Loren645]

56. No! I don't believe that. I mean, I really don't believe Kerry said that

No way. Miller is a pariah. Deservedly so.

[hellhathnofury]

60. Here we go, transcript:

WOODRUFF: Two other quick things. One other thing John Edwards was saying today, he's saying, "If you're campaigning in Georgia and you want to win back the Congress, you want John Kerry at your side, or do you want someone like me?" He means himself, from the South.

KERRY: Well, Max Cleland is at my side. He's the Senator from Georgia, former Senator. And Max Cleland, I think, will testify, as Zell Miller did -- Zell Miller said that I gave one of the best speeches he's ever heard in American politics. And he said it would sell anywhere in Georgia.

So I look forward to campaigning in Georgia or in South Carolina. And I think that the team I have down South there is terrific. And that would be a witness to my effectiveness.

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0401/21/ip.00.html

So yes, Kerry uses Zell Miller. Go Kerry!

[in_cog_ni_to]

67. That doesn't look good.

Zell Miller is supporting BUSH in this election. Not someone I would want my candidate aligned with. JMCPO