Neocon plans for draft and "transformation" of America? Here's how

[Muddy Waters Guitar]

The neocon formula for shoving a draft on the sheeple, with only minor exaggerations:

1. Outsource so many good jobs to other countries that there are no longer enough well-paying positions to be gotten in the US --> more ready-made draft fodder.

2. "Fail" to stop a second 9/11 attack on US soil in, say, July 2005, or early 2006. When brave and competent CIA and FBI agents in May uncover a new al-Qaeda plot to simultaneously hit many "soft targets" like US malls, or blow up Grauman's Chinese theater during the Academy Awards (take out all those lefty Hollywood types that the Rethugs hate anyway), immediately fire those agents for "stirring up the pot" or "spreading falsehoods and relaying inaccurate intelligence."

3. When al-Qaeda attack comes, conveniently claim that there was no warning of the attack; order aforementioned prescient FBI/CIA agents in #2, and Richard Clarke, shipped off to Guantanamo for allegedly acting as "double agents." Implant enough Gannon-ish prostitutes in the White House Press Corps to unquestioningly support the Administration line.

4. Conveniently blame Iran and Syria (even though all 30 terrorists responsible for the attack were al-Qaeda types recruited by bin Laden from our "allies" Saudi Arabia and Yemen).

5. When a few courageous members of the press and bloggers point out that Iran and Syria were totally uninvolved, that the terrorists were mostly Saudi, and that bin Laden (still at large) was behind the attack, then just shout down the truthtellers Orwellian-style, assail them as unpatriotic, "encourage" a few death threats to their offices with plausible deniability-- Thomas a Becket-style-- and make sure a couple are beaten up on the way home from work for good measure. Bin Laden gets away again and laughs at the neocons force the US right into his new trap.

6. Call up a draft to the now-dumbed down, utterly deceived and credulous sheeple. See military ranks swell by the millions, while the kids of rich Rethugs are effectively kept out of the front lines since their, ahem, "special skills" are needed elsewhere.

7. Proceed to start WWIII against Syria and Iran, who prove to be much tougher than sanctions-laden Iraq and pummel our invasion force, slaughtering tens of thousands of US soldiers in the first few months.

8. Get people genocidally mad at those "terrorists" so as to allow moral sanctioning for massive civilian terror bombing of Syria and Iran.

9. Syria and Iran refuse to cry uncle; US forces locked in a stalemate; Iraq in flames as Shiites rise up against US occupation troops; US trapped in endless ME war as call-ups continue in state of "crisis"; dollar tanks and US economy collapses into Depression; massive race and ethnic riots break out throughout the country as blacks, Latinos, Asians, and poor whites express rage at their disproportionate call-up rates; declare martial law "for the good of the people" and suspend elections because of "the crisis"; call up more draftees (or volunteers among the Freepers) to run checkpoints in selected parts of the US (once known as "blue states"), with inevitable "inadvertent shootings"; push US in inexorable direction of fascist state.

Voila, Mission Accomplished!

Before succumbing to any "It can't happen here"-type comforting thoughts, check out Richard Perle's book "An End of Evil" to see the sort of madness the neocons have in mind.

[earth mom]

1. Excellent Post and I'm pretty sure you're right...except...

I think it will happen in April or May. On another thread in GD, there was a post about April 23rd being an Airline/Crash testing day, which reminds me eerily of 9/11.... :scared:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3307683&mesg_id=3307683

[Selatius]

2. It's too obvious for the simple reason that you cited the date

It'd probably be a date that wasn't so obvious to anyone.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

3. You know what's most frightning about Neo-Con's....

is that they are Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Tojo, Suharto, Pol-Pot, Nazis, Facists, Autocrats, and Machavellians all ROLLED INTO ONE NEAT LITTLE PACKAGE.

:scared:

:puke:

[formernaderite]

4. Not going to happen....

the repubs know they'd lose every election for the next 20 years if they reinstated the draft. This has become a pipe dream for the left, precisely because they believe this is the only way we can beat the right wing. The repubs know this too.

Again...there will be NO draft.

[DenverDem]

6. There will be no elections.

Martial law will suspend the democratic process (that was effectively ended in 2000, anyway).

If they don't have to win an election (as they haven't had to since 1996, before they perfected election fraud), then what do they care about fall out from reinstating forced conscription.

Again, there WILL be a draft, and soon.

[vs the introvore]

19. unless there's another pearl harbor

the target will be probably be a US military installation that is isolated. i predict NTC, Fort Irwin, California. that is where all guard and reserve units go to train for desert warfare and is is isolated enough (30 miles N of barstow) that 'they' could stage and control everything 'they' wanted to portray.

'we' would accept a draft if we took significant direct casualties to the troops.

otherwise we will get more soldiers by opening the gates of citizenship to volunteers and threatening more kids with incarceration for drug-related crimes and 'offering' them a chance for redemption in the military.

[Al-CIAda]

5. You forgot to add in a few more Anthrax attacks

for diversion and intimidation...and of course they want to take out Chavez in the confusion.

[Chicago1]

7. THIS IS POLITICAL SUICIDE AND THE GOP KNOWS IT!!!

I CAN'T STAND people like you who post this RIDICULOUS stuff.

IF THEY START A DRAFT THEY WILL LOSE EVERY ELECTION FOREVER!!!! The RepubliCANTS WON'T let them and THEY will start the impeachment trials themselves. Everyone will be in the street and the Congress and Senate DO NOT want to lose their jobs and Bushie knows it!!

Votergate is on the way. THIS IS NO SMALL SCANDAL AND THE WHITE HOUSE KNOWS THAT ALSO!!!

Kerry and Edwards WILL NOT allow them to get away with what happened in Nov 2004. You also have Gay Hooker/Fake Journalist Gate on the way as well.


WAKE UP AND JOIN REALITY!!!

Waiting for the IMPEACHMENT WHILE THE SCANDALS KEEP UNFOLDING
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[Muddy Waters Guitar]

10. I'd agree with this, except that

people's collective mindset can change radically if they feel they're under attack and terrified. I do concur that the Rethugs would never, ever ponder the draft under the current conditions and amid the current mindset, to gain more troops for Iraq, or wage a new war against Iran-- a draft would never occur *if the homefront is (relatively) peaceful*. Yes, that would be political suicide.

But if there's another massive attack on US soil, then all bets are off. We've seen how easy it's been for the Rethugs to deceive over half the population that most of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi, even today. And in the state of fear and chaos that would ensue following a terrorist attack, people can be very suggestible and prone to yelling at their neighbors to "fall into line" against a perceived outside enemy. In those circumstances, *not supporting a draft* (or some cleverly worded program that's effectively the same thing) might be seen as unpatriotic and lead to electoral defeat.

I was obviously being facetious in sections of the original post, and I don't think that Rove's minions would consciously allow an a priori discovered terrorist attack to transpire on US soil (let alone foment one), or send Richard Clarke to Guantanamo Bay (however much some of the Bushies might fantasize about that). However, the neocons know full and well that their machinations in Iraq and elsewhere in the ME are dramatically ratcheting up the probability of an attack on US soil in revenge for e.g. Abu Ghraib or the destruction of Fallujah, and that's the key point-- they don't care, and were that to occur, they'd shamelessly use it as a reason to promote a draft and war against Iran and Syria, on the pretext that our safety would be otherwise threatened. Richard Perle, as he shows in his book, is obsessed with a "revolutionary uprooting" of the current world order, and with the level of hatred in the ME right now due to Abu Ghraib and the blood spilled in Iraq, the neocons know that another massive attack on US soil is almost inevitable.

Try to imagine what would happen if, e.g., a group of bin Laden acolytes detonated caches of C-4 all throughout the Mall of the Americas, or blew up subways all throughout the country. For weeks the media shows pictures of blood and body parts all throughout the mall or train stations, regular folks on their way to work. People would be mad as hell (understandably), obsessed with striking back, and their normal aversion to a military draft would disappear, seeing that this would be the second major attack on US civilians since 9/11. And I would bet you that the draft in some form would pass Congress, since the complexities of the situation (the ongoing occupation of a foreign country spurring hatred, the delocalized organization of al-Qaeda) would be swept under the rug, in favor of a bogeyman to hit back at-- i.e., Iran. Anyone opposed to the draft would be shouted down as a coward or unpatriotic under those circumstances.

Would this actually threaten US democracy? I would hope not, but I'm not so sure. I've never been prone to conspiracy theories before, but frankly we're in uncharted territory right now. The US is a very young country, and we haven't been faced with the sorts of tests that have hit most others-- esp. the prospect of an external attack on our homeland, not since the War of 1812 when we were first jelling as a nation to begin with. I tend to think that the US republic is robust in the midst of a strong economy, but more fragile than most people appreciate otherwise. We already know that from history, since the US republic collapsed catastrophically during the US Civil War of 1861-65-- the world's first total war-- and collapsed again in the midst of WWI in 1917, when labor leaders, war critics, socialists, German-Americans, Irish-Americans, Hungarian-Americans, and many others were summarily beaten, locked up, silenced, and censored so that Woodrow Wilson could draft US cannon fodder to protect the profits of US arms merchants. News outlets like Faux News in 2005 are a whole lot like US news outlets in 1917-- full of jingoistic claptrap that they were able to snow people, and full of bile against anyone who raised legitimate questions about the war. Our republic also frayed severely in the midst of the Vietnam War and the bitter riots of the 1960s. And in each of these cases, we weren't being attacked by a foreign enemy on US soil.

[Donailin]

12. I think this may be an invalid reading

of the mindset of America<

>people's collective mindset can change radically if they feel they're under attack and terrified.<

I think people are cynical and jaded and I think people are beginning to see the light, except of course the radical religious right which may account for 20-25 percent of the population in America. This Shiavo thing has reinforced the reality that this administration is not about the good of the country but about pure politics. What people are afraid of is that the radical right has lost it's collective mind. Recruitment is down, implementing a draft would backfire bigtime and I think PTB know it. Remember, they're political, so they're not going to shoot themselves in the foot if they can help it.

[PATRICK]

14. Focus on events or the reactions?

It might be better to look at the utter predictability of Bush gang operations preceding and following terrorist attacks. Lamentably it might be even wiser to focus on the steadily predictable behavior of the rest of America. Right now we are ratcheting up for a war against Iran. Everyone knows it but stubbornly NO national debate on the inevitable comes front and center merely because the WH denies it officially and focuses on more WMD arguments- again.

The same weakness of getting the inevitable to the fore-brain of America is evident in the party- or else its further reduction causes its suppressed squeak to slide right off the radar as well. No one will note or long remember 'we told you so". No one did after 9/11 except for the choir(DU included) smarter wiser, a bit more active but still marginalized.

Bush has not been met head on much less stopped. Everything slides to the side like the wake of a sullen notion split by a pleasure craft. The national news forum is more in disrepute but still functioning. Everything, no matter how discredited, exposed or even ineffective is still functioning more unimpeded by anything real than ever.

Until someone in the majority of America that is still America comes to head on grips with this crisis fiasco we still look like we are along for the ride conducting something of an amateur Intel pool on how its going to come down this time. No matter what, the opinion of the nation will not matter or be allowed to matter. That pattern remains staunchly unchanged with people barely able to find or propagate words for sanity against the absurd attacks on Social Security.

We know what Bush is doing in this. They are preparing for the consequences and gaming them to roll through their unbelievable agenda, just like all the other times. They only have to concentrate on that no matter how or who is going to provide the fuse this time. It is so utterly simple when good people do nothing.

Oh, I know we are not doing nothing, but effectively more powerless in media and governmental checks than ever, I don't see how we are prepared for anything to the degree Bush is prepared already. It is a crime against humanity. It is a betrayal of America. It is a threat against the human race. And we argue that people will not stand for it?
It looks to me de facto we are standing for it well enough for Bush not to lose much sleep. These battles over Social Security are only important for diminishing the hordes of the deluded. Wearing Bush down? The turning point? Too little, too late when they count on something that will make 9/11 look like a fender bender. Then it will be pure 100% fear, naked and with nary a flag to wave.

How feeble it is to talk of elections when the god-awful belated stands of the diminished Dems will guarantee not one single vote to be safeguarded. Instead Gov. Whazzizname is crumpling up and discarding California's paper. Inevitably.

We know the intentions of Bin Laden and Bush. We know what our wishful thinking is. We know what the public will and won't do to act for its true basic rights and decency.

Incredibly, all these flesh and blood components in the "Fate" equation
are very mutable and mortal humans. It CAN be changed, but not by acting out our parts in the PNAC scripted tragedy by being a chorus.

I think organized protests and actions(sponsors, boycotts, alternate propagation of real news, hammering individual Congressmen more than ever conceived of before, drawing up real war crimes "J'Accuse" and "Not in my name" petitions to target those responsible for active and passive crimes against the US and call for investigation and grand juries) have to be aimed in conjunction with a challenge that cannot be swept aside by a terrorist attack- or that attack will both occur and enable more war and death and nightmare, because this time there will be a nuclear component somewhere. No one must set aside differences to empower the monsters responsible for the success of terrorism in the first place.

Our our Dem leaders there yet in any shape or form? I don't think they are as far as us, which means it is very late and Rove has a comfortable lead and no need even to change one preplanned speech script.

Up to the Iraq war we differed and made mistakes about details shrouded in lies, secrecies, denials and half truths but the results were pretty
close to the main predictions. I think Bush will get boosted and then drop faster but nothing near enough to create a groundswell to stop him or hold him accountable in any real life way. I think this time the world will do more than protest and hobble our efforts. I think that anyway the Bush blitz will escalate terror bombing to a "small demo" of nuke power that the press will be careful to explain as more "smart and humane" restraint.

They had to win the elections because oil is running out. Period. I think they(goon pols) have to take it all, not just get the US companies more leverage and control. The means will be planned accordingly. Our concerns(or hopes for some mystical public resistance)have no weight.

As always these are are the venues for stopping the neocons. Some internal or powerful group(the Messiah perplex is always misplaced among institutional icons) will somehow put the brakes on or raise a hue and cry(better than the smarmy weak stuff we have seen to date from some of the feared and revered). Some huge active public groundswell from below that can't be touched by the neocons. Some massive conquest of the closed and poisoned national forums to simply open the windows in this betrayed society.

It would be most ideal for the second to happen and finish the American Revolution that has turned into such a monstrous joke.

They are going to get us all killed, indiscriminately in the end and by many means. And look what we argue about as the graves even now are being dug for the preventable dead.

[Al-CIAda]

15. Excellent post.

[KayLaw]

8. I think May

I've heard May mentioned a number of times when talking about certain events. Also, it works for the June 15th draft date.

[Disturbed]

9. Israel will bomb Iran's nuke sites.

Iran will send missles onto Israel and Iraqi U.S. bases then Iran's troops will move into Iraq. Syria will send troops into Iraq. Iran will attack U.S. ships. The U.S. will send missles onto Iran and Syria . The Draft will be instituted.

[PATRICK]

16. And what will we do? Predictions?

n/t

[Wilms]

11. .

[Clark2008]

13. This already happened, didn't it?

The names have changed, but it was called post-9/11 the first time.

[Wilms]

17. kick n/t

[radar]

18. Wondering...

...How people supposedly able to fix presidential elections for Bush won't be able to do it again when the winds start blowing.