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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:27 AM
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Is NCLB Making History of Social Studies?
I subscribe to EDWeek because I think it's good to know what the educators are doing about educating our kids. LOL! Needless to say not enough...


Is NCLB Making History of Social Studies?
29 March 2005

There is currently an interesting debate on EdWeek.org about NCLB and the decline in teaching Social Studies in the schools.

Here in CA, the current requirements to graduate high school only call for 3 years of Social Studies. And, good luck trying to get your kid an extra year of Social Studies if they want to take it as an elective, especially in the Los Angeles area. Many high schools within L.A.U.S.D. simply do not offer them. Why? Well, so I have been told two years in a row, now… It’s not in the budget! No classroom space, no teachers, no books…

Experts are seeing an increasing trend to devote more class time and instruction to reading and math, as well as other core subjects deemed crucial by state and federal mandates. As a result, subjects such as social studies and civic education are experiencing a decrease in curriculum resources.

MORE & Links - http://www.lightupthedarkness.org/blog/default.asp?view=plink&id=643
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:51 AM
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1.  So History AKA Social Studies is an artifical subject now?
Well that is nice to know. I mean hell I guess it wouldn't do for kids to understand their past so they don't do it again or heaven forbid actually know how the government is supposed to work.
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kerrygoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 10:14 AM
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3. LOL!
No kidding huh!

There's some interesting comments in the discussion thread EdWeek.org about this.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 10:21 PM
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16. The easiest way to change history is to erase it...n/t
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tech3149 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 02:56 AM
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2. How can classroom space, teachers, and books be divorced
from budget? If you have a sufficient budget and demographics you can account and pay for future needs. We've been starving our education system for 30 years and it gets worse every year. If I ruled the world (or the country), my highest priority would be the education of our children. Having been associated with educational facilities professionally for the last 15 years, and my experience in the public education system, I know that the greatest asset we have are the devoted teachers. The greatest hurdle we have are the self-serving institutions that control the system.
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YvonneCa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:22 AM
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4. In California...
...where I teach (elementary level)in order to reach NCLB standards, the focus has had to be on math, reading and writing. Other subjects have nearly disappeared. This is especially true of Title I Schools with large numbers of English Language Learners. Please understand, most teachers I know do everything they can to include history, science, P.E. and art (in that order), but it is frowned upon. I've heard colleagues say "I was teaching illicit social studies today...". It concerns me, because our children need public schools to instill a common understanding of our history and civic responsibility. I "get" the push for reading and math...NCLB has strong, punitive sanctions for schools, administrators and districts which fail to meet the NCLB standards...but I don't think this is any way to teach our kids.:scared:
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:41 AM
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5. Thanks for posting, kg -- nt
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:59 AM
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6. gee, imagine that!-the Feds do not want your kid to know how gov. is
really suspose to work!!
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ulysses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 12:58 PM
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7. NCLB is *not* the fault of educators. n/t
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:36 PM
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9. I agree.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 12:03 AM
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13. No it is not
And we need to help our fellow DUers understand how little control we in the classrooms have over what is taught and how much time is spent teaching it.

We need support on this website, not criticism.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:32 PM
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8. the push for high stakes tests is not about making our kids globally
Edited on Wed Mar-30-05 01:32 PM by KaliTracy
competitive -- it's about creating more sheeple. Really. If they do not know what is happening in the world -- what our (their) past is -- what our government is doing now -- they don't as readily question. Critical thinking is taught on "worksheets" and talking points. That's why so many high school children thought it was ok for the government to limit what news organizations report.

From: Voice of America
Young Americans' Views on Press Freedom Worry Journalists
<snip>
The Knight Foundation survey -- and Channel One's interviews -- also revealed considerable fuzziness about the First Amendment itself. Asked by a Channel One reporter what the First Amendement is, one girl replied, "I have no idea." A boy responded, "I don't know what the First Amendment is."

Andrew Muha, a 17-year-old junior at Lake Central High School in Saint John, Indiana, hopes to study architecture in college. He told VOA he knows "a little bit" about the First Amendment and "thinks its freedoms may go too far."
<snip>
more: http://www.voanews.com/english/AmericanLife/2005-03-17-voa60.cfm


Books to read:
Education Inc.: Turning Learning into a Business (edited by Alfie Kohn and Patrick Shannon)

Why is Corporate America Bashing our Public Schools (By Susan Ohanian and Kathy Emery)

Go to Susan Ohanian's Website for the latest in education atrocities (updated almost daily)
http://www.susanohanian.org/


This is an information site about Ohio -- a lot of things have happened recently so the front page isn't updated (Susan's site would have all the most current stuff) -- but I have a lot of history surrounding the movement (prior to NCLB and including NCLB) -- including websites of the Business Roundtable, The Ohio Business Roundtable and Achieve, Inc. (among others) all who have played a huge part in the push for high stakes tests. Also -- on the 1st page is a list of over 50 organizations that are against highstakes tests.

http://stophighstakestests.org


edit: Typo


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cestpaspossible Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 01:43 PM
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10. Social Studies not a 'core' subject?
:wtf:
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:29 PM
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11. I'm sure there's still room for the football team to have shiny new
equipment every season. :eyes:


Very frightening to hear, as I'm about to start a career as a social studies teacher.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-05 11:49 PM
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12. This is VERY GOOD NEWS ......
.... for the Reich Wing. Raise a generation of civic illiterates and they can do whatever the fuck they want to finalize their stealing of our democracy.

Uninformed by the media, our children will now be uniformed by their educational institutions too.

This is part of the Great Talibornagain Plan.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 09:20 PM
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14. They are ensuring that the masses do not question... that they do not
dig deep for answers -- or look beyond last week's news for information.

Our education system is being hijacked -- both in elementary and high school -- but also in colleges.

http://prorev.com/2005/02/ohio-bill-would-suppress-professors.htm

Ohio Bill Would Suppress Professors' Speech in Classroom

MARK FISHER, DAYTON DAILY NEWS - Concerned that Ohio college students' young minds are being indoctrinated by left-leaning college faculty, four Republican state senators have introduced an "academic bill of rights for higher education" that would limit what professors could say in their classrooms. It also would give students and faculty a formal grievance procedure if they feel they've been discriminated against. . . The bill - spearheaded by state Sen. Larry Mumper, R-Marion, and co-sponsored by Jordan, Cates and State Sen. Lynn Wachtmann, R-Napoleon - would require every state-supported college and university in Ohio to:

- Prohibit faculty members and instructors from "persistently introducing controversial matter into the classroom or course work that has no relation to their subject of study" and that serves no educational purpose related to the academic subject;

- Hire, fire and promote faculty based on their "competence and appropriate knowledge in their field of expertise" rather than on their "political, ideological or religious beliefs;" and

- Adopt a grievance procedure by which students or faculty could "seek redress" if they feel they've been discriminated against based on their beliefs and to disclose the grievance procedure in course catalogs, student handbooks and Web sites.



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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-05 10:14 PM
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15. NCLB changes the primary purpose of public schools.
From teaching children fundamental thinking skills to teaching them to be automatons.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-05-05 01:19 PM
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17. yes, it does -- yet many (not all) people don't question the reasons why
Edited on Tue Apr-05-05 01:26 PM by KaliTracy
Corporations want our children not to think critically -- oh, I know what you are thinking, "Wait a minute, did she say corporations? " Yep -- get to know the friendly people behind the push for testing and making decisions about your children's education. It's not teachers. Not by a long shot.

From Reading Between the Lines by Stephen Metcalf in Education, Inc.: Turning Learning into a Business edited by Alfie Kohn and Patrick Shannon

<snip>

"The Bush revolution in education is the culmination of a decade of educational reform spearheaded by conservatives and business leaders. To gauge the significance of this trend, consider the original aspirations for an American public school system: As Horace Mann, and later John Dewey, saw it, public schools were necessary to fashion a common national culture out of a far-flung and often immigrant population, and to prepare young people to be reflective and critical citizens in a democratic society. The emphasis was on self-governance through self-respect; a sense of cultural ownership through participation; and ultimately, freedom from tyranny through rational deliberation. {emphasis mine}

"Fast forward to 2002: The new Bush testing regime emphasizes minimal competence along a narrow range of skills, with an eye toward satisfying the low end of the labor market. All this sits well with a business community whose first preoccupation is "global competitiveness": a community most comfortable thinking in terms of inputs (dollars spent on public schools) in relation to outputs (test scores). No one disputes that schools much inculcate the skills necessary for economic survival. But does it follow that the theory behind public schooling should be overwhelmingly economic? One of the reform movement's founding documents is Reinventing Education: Entrepreneurship in America's Public Schools by Lou Gerstner, chairman of IBM. Gerstner describers school children as human capital, teachers as sellers in a marketplace and the public school system as a monopoly. Predictably, CEOs bring to education reform CEO rhetoric: stringent, intolerant of failure, even punitive -- hence the word "sanction," as if some schools had been Turning away weapons inspectors. {bold emphasis mine}

"Nowhere has this orientation been more frank than in George W. Bush's policies, first as Texas governor and now as President. When he invited a group of "education leaders" to join him for his first day in the White House, the guest list was dominated by Fortune 500 CEOs. One, Harold McGraw, the publishing scion and current chairman of McGraw-Hill, summed up: "It's a great day for education, because we now have substantial alignment among all the key constituents -- the public, the education community, business and political leaders -- that results matter."

<SNIP>

"The big educational testing companies have thus dispatched lobbyists to Capital Hill. Bruce Hunter, who represents the American Association of School Administrators, says, "I've been lobbying on education issues since 1982, but the test publishers have been active at a level I've never seen before. At every hearing, every discussion, the big test publishers are always present with at least one lobbyist, sometimes more." Both standardized testing and textbook publishing are dominated by the so-called Big Three -- McGraw-Hill, Houghton Mifflin, and Harcourt General -- all identified as "Bush stocks" by Wall Street analysts in the wake of the 2000 election."


websites to visit
Achieve.Org http://www.achieve.org/


Business Roundtable

Education and the Workforcehttp://www.businessroundtable.org/taskForces/index.aspx#Education&theWorkforce

No Child Left Behind http://www.businessroundtable.org/taskForces/taskforce/issue.aspx?qs=6545BF159F849514481138A6DBE7A7A19BB6487BF6B38

ISSUE: K-12 Education Reform
http://www.businessroundtable.org/taskForces/taskforce/issue.aspx?qs=6535BF159F849514481138A6DBE7A7A19BB6487BF6B3B

ISSUE: Early Childhood Education
http://www.businessroundtable.org/taskForces/taskforce/issue.aspx?qs=6525BF159F849514481138A6DBE7A7A19BB6487BF6B3A

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