I am gonna repost this here, because it's just that important...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

And you might have missed it. I know that DU sometimes tends to "Balkanize".

WaPo poll out today:

Would you support or oppose changing the Senate rules to make it easier for the Republicans to confirm Bush's judicial nominees?

Support - 26%


Oppose - 66%

Bush Approval ratings:

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling:

Approve Disapprove
A. Social Security 31 64
B. Iraq 42 56
C. Economy 40 57
D. Terrorism 56 41
E. Energy Policy 35 54

He's in the 30% range on this, people. Do you grok the implications?

[rurallib]

1. Looks like a man-date to W!

Time to hold hands with the Saudis and beg for more oil.

[MADem]

11. Jawbone for more oil, ya mean!

Of course, since the last time he proposed that, the price of gas is up a buck!

Gas Prices

Mr. Bush was critical of Al Gore in the 2000 campaign for being part of “the administration that's been in charge” while the “price of gasoline has gone steadily upward.” In December 1999, in the first Republican primary debate, Mr. Bush said President Clinton “must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices.”

As gas topped a record level of $50 a barrel this week, Mr. Bush has shown no propensity to personally pressure, or “jawbone,” Mideast oil producers to increase output.

A spokesman for the president reportedly said in March that Mr. Bush will not personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml

AP picked up the JAWBONE reference today, that is a good sign!
http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/nationworld/articles/1504142.html
Running for president five years ago, George W. Bush pledged to jawbone energy-exporting nations to keep oil prices low and to win passage of legislation to spur more domestic energy production.

Delivering on either count has proved difficult for the Texas oilman.

Ahhh, the jawboning of an ass, indeed!

[Tigress DEM]

24. What do they think of his man dates? Gannon, the Saudi Prince?

[lonestarnot]

48. An overnight man-date whooo!

[Paradise]

54. good one :) lol n/t

[acmavm]

2. Yeah, someone screwed up and decided to tell the truth for once.

No really, it's about time.

I've never believed his approval ratings anyway. He was in the tank just before the election. Then whammo, Diebold, ES&S, and that other company scramble to votes and voila, bush** ends up squatting in the White House another four years.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. The smell of...

flopsweat and fear farts must be hanging in the west wing like a low green haze. This is the polling range where people with dirty secrets start to get emboldened. This is scandal land, and lawdy, there is more than enough grist for that mill.

This is where the press starts to smell its piss, too.

There is real blood in the water now, folks.

[burn the bush]

50. flopsweat and fear farts

now that's funny

[bush_is_wacko]

3. Link???

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

"When the walls come tumbling down, when the walls come crumblin' tumblin', crumblin' tumblin' DOOOOwn!"

Thought that was appropriate here. Seems the Dem's have learned a lesson in hitting them hard and often until those walls start to crumble!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

7. I got most of this here:

http://www.dailykos.com

Which has been on fire today. No link to Wapo yet, but here's the report again, in .pdf:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/polls/post-abcpoll_042505.pdf

[bush_is_wacko]

17. Thanks! n/t

[impeachthescoundrel]

4. It looks bad for bush

except for the terrorism one. Whan will everybody figure it out? Never?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

10. Hey! These numbers are bumping right up against...

His fundy base. He can't, statistically and measurably, get much lower. He has entered "The Land of How Bad It Can Get".

These are terrible numbers that point off to a rotten national mood, as far as he is concerned.

[punpirate]

5. The `pugs will look at...

... item D, and the propaganda and fearmongering spigot will get opened wide. Then all the rest of the numbers will begin to fall back into place. *sigh*

[MissWaverly]

32. sorry the pugs are looking at hugs and bugs

hugs, they're calling bush cronies oil pimps
bugs, the Bug man, who charged his trip on a lobbyist's credit card

don't thing they'll evangelize over this one, they're too mad

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[flpoljunkie]

9. Yet, the American people still give him 56% support on fighting terrorism!

I suppose this is based on the fact that we have not been attacked since 9/11, but guess what--Osama bin Laden achieved his goal when Dubya fell into his trap and invaded Iraq.

Mission accomplished!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

13. Look at the media.

Lay that at their feet. He gets that number because the MSM is not reporting much of anything about terrorism or the war. But that will change.

When?

When a critical mass of young men get back from Iraq, get out and start talking. That is coming.

[rodeodance]

15. yes, that 56% approval for 'terrorism' is very disconcerning. It is the

only thing that holds him up at this point--

Terrorism 56

[BlueIris]

51. Totally agree. That 56% jumps right off the screen at me.

Along with this disgusting 42% approval for Iraq. WTF?

[vince3]

12. These lousy numbers tell us.......

...that he lost the 2004 election. Five and a half months ago he got 50.8% of the vote? No way.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

14. A very good point.

Read above, regarding what I wrote about "dark secrets".

Conyers has to be loving this, right now. Waxman, too.

[vince3]

16. Conyers.

What a great Dem. He hasn't given up on the stolen election and today he and Slaughter wrote simple-Scotty a letter to keep the Guckert thing going. I haven't given up hope that Bush and his administration will be gone soon. Maybe Conyers and his allies can bring this whole unelected Bush gang down.

[sellitman]

26. Still no mention in the Mass media though.

It's nice seeing it on Demo-sites but that is not enough.

[nashville_brook]

44. it's up now: small AP story -- vote it up

it's under politics

[Clark2008]

45. Here 'tis.

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050426/ap_on_go_pr_wh/conservative_writer_1

[meganmonkey]

18. Liars and cheats.

That's all there is to it.

Is the US waking up from this nightmare? I think so. The question is - will they just hide under the covers and hope it all goes away or will they stand and scream for justice?

Keep Hope Alive, that's all I know.

[havocmom]

20. How is the Just-us Sunday persecution telethon playing with people where

you are? The locals in my area were mostly appalled and this is seriously red here.

Frist and the junta puppets are working pretty damned hard to get the base whipped into total frenzy cuz they know they have NO DEFENSE against the facts that have been seeping out. Am worried they are working to coax the next batch of McVeighs out of the woodwork and into the headlines. Tagging judges and Dem Congressmen, flashing pictures of them with phone numbers at church? Sounds like the shit that went on with website wanted posters and a lot of women's clinic workers ending up dead.

They are all but coming out and inciting violence and who does that serve? MIHOP Part II: The trigger for martial law. Remember the shrub and the crack about dictatorships being easier? Look out, America! As the numbers sink, the rats get dangerous.

[meganmonkey]

23. "Give God what is Right, not what is Left"

I shit you not - the little church in my little town has that on their sign. I just noticed it today. Made my heart sink to my belly. I was even thinking about starting a thread about it.

So it looks like it's going over just fine, at least in some circles. But I don't talk to my neighbors a whole lot, especially about politics, so I don't know the whole picture. It really is scary. Polls numbers make it seem that support for this right-wing-fundie madness is dropping, but I think it makes the real supporters even more crazy.

:scared:

[XemaSab]

47. A church in MY town had the sign

"Would you rather be tolerant, or be right?"

[MelissaB]

19. I'm nominating this

because I haven't seen these numbers. I'm blocked at work and imagine others have limited reading time as well.

[Clarkie1]

21. "D" is the kicker. It's still national security.

Once we get them on that, it's over.

[welshTerrier2]

22. the darker side of these numbers

first of all, bush is a lame duck ... it is not at all clear that the republicans will be hurt at the ballot box by these numbers ...

secondly, the Democrats might get equally low ratings if polls were taken ... do Americans think the Democratic Party has offered sound alternatives on Social Security, Iraq, the economy, terrorism or energy policy? ... i'll bet that if you asked 100 Americans to state any idea that any Democrat holds on any of the listed issues, not whether they are for or against the idea but just whether they could state a Democratic position, almost all could not name even one ... Democrats are against private accounts but are for what? Democrats criticized bush's early Iraq policy but now seem to just be going along ... and so on ...

but the real problem is that Americans form their opinions based on very thin information ... Energy policy? gas prices are too high ... when gas prices drop back from the current spike, bush's numbers will go back up ... Social Security? the republicans have sold the "crisis" part but Americans know nothing has been resolved yet ... when the Democrats cave on a compromise, bush's numbers will go back up ... on Iraq, the Democrats believe the US can "win" ... they have no real policy ... and the economy as a campaign issue is a tough sell for either party ... the republican excuse will be the threat of terrorism ... or maybe they'll be able to point to a small uptick by 2006 ...

Democrats have also failed to build the broad themes from which wonky policies could emerge ... they have really abandoned the foreign policy area completely ... and even on issues like "the economy", can anyone honestly state exactly what the position of the Democratic Party is? Democrats lack a cohesive vision and a cohesive message ... and they have failed to demonstrate to Americans that the republican vision has failed ... the numbers in the base post show a dissatisfaction at a point in time ... Americans don't see that bush has succeeded on many of the issues listed ... but Democrats have failed to connect bush's lack of success with the bankruptcy of republican dogma ... part of that problem may be "the media"; most of that problem is the Democratic Party itself ...

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

25. Did you read the list...

Of legislation that Reid and The Senate Dems are gonna try to jam down the repuke's throats?

I would say that they make a great start.

Christ, it's only been 4 months since the inauguration.

[welshTerrier2]

27. actually, no ...

but i'd like to ... any idea where i can read the list of legislation?

my observations are based on where i believe we are today ... if the Dems are going to promote their own legislative agenda, i'm glad to hear it ...

[DearAbby]

31. With GOP majority...just what in the hell can Democrats do? At least they

are trying to protect Social Security from being dismantled. They are the minority, they are playing defense.


By the way...If a Democrat walked on water and changed water to wine, would MSM report it? The American People only know what MSM deems they should know.

[KoKo]

28. Well said, welsh Terrier 2. there is definitely a darker side ...plus

look at how the Chimp still wins on "Terrorism." That's his and Rove's "ace up the sleeve." They will use it when they have to, just to get those numbers back into somewhere where they can still trump.

[MissWaverly]

34. they won't win on terrorism when they did not secure WH

How many times did Guckert/Gannon/Mr. Whathisnamereally never sign out of the WH, I don't think the public is going to be impressed over this.

[welshTerrier2]

35. if i had a nickel for every time ...

we have seen almost 5 years of "gotchas" with bush in office ... and nothing changes ...

the Gannon story has no legs ... it's nonsense ...

bush lied about WMD's and hundreds of thousands died as a result ... the country is less safe today than it was two years ago ... and still bush is in office ... Gannon should be an issue but it won't be one ...

the Gannon story is already gone from the front pages ... and still bush gets high marks on terrorism ... why will the Gannon story change that in the future ??

[MissWaverly]

36. look, I know how you feel

I had a conversation with a very idealistic liberal this weekend, who had no idea there was election fraud, to him, the election was 10 minutes to vote, we didn't win, oh well. I think people thought there are no WMD's but our Prez would not have gone to war over nothing, he's a really nice man really, he wouldn't do that and if he did, it would be in the PAPERS and on TV. So, now we have Gannon and 212 trips to the WH, with probable overnite stays, this will grab people's attention, this is like Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, etc.

[welshTerrier2]

39. just to be clear

i think the corruption of our mass media poses a very serious threat to our democracy ... what's the point of allowing free elections if the electorate does not have access to the truth?

the Gannon story and the massive propaganda campaign waged by the right is a very big deal ... but at best, it will cost a few WH media types their jobs ... not only will bush and cheney be insulated, but it will certainly be tough to make the case that this proves the total moral bankruptcy of the vast right-wing conspiracy ... it's just too easy to duck and cover this story ...

once again, the Democratic Party has failed to lay the groundwork over the last 30 years to enable Americans to understand the implications of the Gannon story in its proper context ... we have not made the case that corporations are controlling our mass media and putting the nation at risk ... in fact, if anything, we have lost the propaganda war over the media ... republicans have been pushing the "liberal media" meme for decades ...

[MissWaverly]

40. thanks for the thoughtful reply

I just get a feeling that the cracks are starting to appear in the mask.

[nashville_brook]

46. i appreciate the need to self-crit, but how do we measure

things like 'cohesive vision' and 'cohesive message.' when i get the opportunity to observe garden variety TN voters (repub or dem) in action, i don't see much sophistication in terms foreign policy or economic issues. loyalty is trust and trust is built on stuff that's impossible to measure -- except for on election day.

now, we know 2004 was stolen and basically how it was done. with cheating the repubs got within a million votes -- but how much did they cheat? on a broken scale, dems' numbers are still right at 50%, and that's spread out a lot of land. the 'pubs had to cheat within the margin of error to be worth the trouble (but not so much to be caught). so give kerry another 3 or 4 percentage points. then take into account that blue areas are concentrated to urban centers. if you have to drive more than 30 minutes to a Walmart (or a Tiffany), chances are your precinct is blue

yes, i can state the position of the democratic party -- and so can most any of the homey and rednecks bumping shoulders at my neighborhood kroger. people deserve more rights than corporations. our party fights for US. working stiffs. cubicle dwellers. parents. middle class families with adjustable rate mortgages. most of the tough crackers i know see george and company as a bunch of effete liars who think they are better than everyone else. they'd like see him personally -- take him up on that beer.

we have won the battle for trust. people are waking up.

[swag]

29. Your friends and family who were blindsided by this fool

can now have sense talked to them.

Now is the time to politely and rationally persuade people.

We are headed way wrong with Bush, Frist, Hastert.

[Virginian]

30. So he works on his strengths?

When does the Terror level go back up to Orange?

Notice the ranch has the new title of "Western White House"?

[havocmom]

33. could the name change for the pig farm be to divert attention from the

property tax break claimed on it by classifying it as 'agricultural property'? Am thinkin they wanna drop THAT subject off the radar post haste!

[Blue Topaz]

37. These numbers are a thing of beauty

The more unpopular Bush becomes, the worse it will be for Republicans in 2006 and '08. Rats, sinking ship and all that.

Also, as his numbers continue to slide, he will become more and more of a lame duck (heh, typed dick at first in a Freudian typo!) and will have trouble convincing Congressional Repukes to back his agenda.

[On Par]

38. The Poll Reflects What We All Know. Bush Didn't Win...

...He stole it.

[libodem]

41. I believe

even Republicans are wishing the Democrats would do something about this sham administration. I believe the people want the Democrats to save them. We expect the Democrats to pull us out of this mess.

[ClassWarrior]

42. Looks like Progressive values ARE the best of American values...

...as the erudite George Lakoff says.

NGU. :patriot:

[VOX]

43. Healthy numbers at last.

" * = Bad for America?" You Bet!!!!! :mad:

[Liberty Belle]

49. Link, please?

[Hekate]

52. Dropping. Like. A. Stone. I am in awe

Thank you, Tandalayo, for posting these numbers.

They should be on every news cast, but I'm not holding my breath. The fascists just keep on driving the country to ruin as though they had the right, which I guess comes from not having to be "reality based"!

What gorgeous poll numbers. When I start seeing a "death watch" on the front pages for members of this mis-administration, I'll go get my :popcorn:

Hekate

[Singleterri]

53. That first question is very slanted

A neutral question would be: "Would you support or oppose changing the Senate rules to allow a simple majority vote to confirm judicial nominees?"

[PATRICK]

55. The 56% approval for terrorism

is last mad refuge on which much hinges. Credit for nothing much happening(here) that overwhelms the poor job actually and deliberately being done. The giant spin wheel is set unchanged to transform this misjudgment into the opposite misjudgment that WHEN we are hit again due largely to Bush's fault, he will simply vault over his poor pollings as in 2001.

More should be done to immediately and irrecoverably subvert that spin and that semi-irrational credit for "doing the job" against terrorism.

Even without a terrorist attack it still provides the springboard into Iran.

[TrogL]

56. Pity you can't call an election