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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 11:57 AM
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Gore Vidal: The United States has elections but has no politics...
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 12:02 PM by Q
The Undoing of America
Gore Vidal on war for oil, politics-free elections, and the late, great U.S. Constitution
by Steve Perry

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Though it's a dim memory now, Vidal and commentators of a similarly outspoken bent used to be regulars on television news shows. Vidal's most famous TV moment came during the 1968 Democratic Convention, when ABC paired him with William F. Buckley on live television. On the next to last night of the convention, the dialogue turned to the question of some student war protesters raising a Vietcong flag. The following exchange ensued:

Vidal: "As far as I'm concerned, the only sort of proto- or crypto-Nazi I can think of is yourself. Failing that, I'll only say that we can't have--"

Buckley: "Now listen, you queer, stop calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered."

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City Pages: You've observed many times in your writing that the United States has elections but has no politics. Could you talk about what you mean by that, and about how so many people have come to accept a purely spectatorial relationship to politics, more like fans (or non-fans) than citizens?


Gore Vidal: Well, you cannot have a political party that is not based upon a class interest. It has been part of the American propaganda machine that we have no class system. Yes, there are rich people; some are richer than others. But there is no class system. We're classless. You could be president tomorrow. So could Michael Jackson, or this one or that one. This isn't true. We have a very strong, very rigid class structure which goes back to the beginning of the country. I will not go into the details of that, but there it is. Whether it's good or bad is something else.

We have not had a political party since that, really, of the New Deal of Franklin Roosevelt, who was a member of the highest class, an aristocrat who had made common cause with the people, who were in the midst of depression, not to mention the Dust Bowl, which had taken so many farms in the '30s. We were a country in deep trouble, and he represented those in deep trouble. He got together great majorities and was elected four times to the presidency. And launched us on empire--somewhat consciously, too. He saw to it that the European colonial empires would break up, and that we would inherit bits and pieces, which we have done.

If we don't have class interests officially, then therefore we have no political parties. What is the Republican Party? Well, it used to be the party of the small-town businessman, generally in the Middle West, generally sort of out of the mainstream. Very conservative. It now represents nothing but the gas and oil business. They own it. And the people who go to Congress are simply bought. They are lawyers who are paid to represent Halliburton, big oil, big banking. So the very rich corporate America has a party for itself, the Republican Party. The Democrats don't have much of anything but a kind of wistful style. They just want everyone to be happy, and politically correct at all times. Do not hurt other people's feelings. They spend so much time on political correctness that they haven't thought of what to do politically about anything. Like say "no" to these preemptive wars, which are against not only the whole world's take on war and peace, but against United States history.

This is something new under the sun--that a president, just because he feels like it, can declare war on anybody. And Congress will go along with him, and the courts will support him. The founding fathers would be mortified if they saw what had happened to their handiwork, which wasn't very great to begin with but is now done for. When you have preemptive wars, and you have ambitious companies like Bechtel who will build up what, let us say, General Electric has helped to destroy with its weaponry--these interests are well-represented.

There is no people's party, and you can't even use the word. "Liberal" has been demonized. A liberal is a commie who's also a pedophile. Being a communist and a pedophile, he's so busy that he hasn't got time to win an election and is odious to boot. So there is no Democratic Party. We hope that something might happen with the governor of Vermont, and maybe something will or maybe it won't. But we are totally censored, and the press just follows this. It observes what those in power want it to observe, and turns the other way when things get dark. Then, when it's too late sometimes, you get some very good reporting. But by then, somebody's playing taps. --- http://citypages.com/databank/26/1268/article13085.asp

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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:03 PM
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1. Gods! I hope Vidal lives forever!
A real American patriot!
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flpoljunkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:03 PM
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2. That Vermont Governor, now DNC head, has said not one word about the
one-sided bankruptcy bill. Somehow I think Gore Vidal would not approve.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:30 PM
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3. Bottom line - It's the GOP control of the media we must expose.
Edited on Tue Apr-26-05 12:50 PM by blm
Most Americans have no idea that the corporate media has been protecting BushInc and the GOP for years. Most Americans have been told for years that the media is liberal and haven't clicked on the fact that it is now a CORPORATE MEDIA put into place to enable the fascists now in power.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:49 PM
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4. Vidal pointedly and publicly refused to support Al Gore in 2000 ...
... and he's RELATED to Al Gore (albeit distantly -- I think they're distant cousins of some sort) ... now he's bitching about non-elected Bush?

I always liked Vidal -- till 2000, that is. I'm still pissed at him for making somewhat snarky comments about Al Gore when he really needed help from every progressive out there.
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nightfire Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:29 PM
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6. If Gore had anything to offer progressives in 2000
Nader wouldn't have mattered and would have done about as well as he did in 2004. That's Vidal's reasoning (and mine),
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 01:37 PM
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7. and Bush had so much more to offer...
:rofl:


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FormerDittoHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-26-05 12:54 PM
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5. Framing has negated his position...
Until the American people GROW UP...

It AMAZES me how SUCCESSFUL the Republicans have taken the the phrase "class warfare" from Marx and have turned in around so that any HINT of representing particular classes is now branded as socialist (and, with communist Russia having fallen, we all know that no HINT of socialism can ever, ever work).

AT THE SAME TIME the VAST majority of Republicans are being movitivated USING CLASS WARFARE - the religious vs. secular classes, the employed versus the underprivileged, the sick and under/non-insured versus the healthy and well insured, blacks, gays, muslims, etc etc etc...

And you thought selling pet rocks was a miracle of marketing???
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