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Rex_Goodheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:29 PM
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I have never been so pessimistic about the future as I am today.
Is there any good news about it ANYWHERE?

Energy disappearing. Flora and fauna disappearing. People overpopulating. Terrorism rising because people vote for greedy, incompetent evil retards.

I feel for you younger people. My time on earth was probably the best overall for Americans, despite that risk of nuclear warfare with the Soviets.

This world is a scary, scary place, and I'm going to have a drink now.
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sallyseven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:31 PM
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1. Have one for me I have to drive tonight.
I feel for my grandkids. My kids had it easy. Easier than I did.
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MisterLiberal Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:50 PM
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7. Wanna know why?
Wanna know WHY we are feeling pessimistic?

We are being told to COMPROMISE, even when we know it only makes us lose.

Repukes steal elections and no one from our party stands up to it.

We will NOT feel better until we get a LEADER in our party.

Dean is almost there, but we're missing "THE CANDIDATE". Someone who fights because they believe what they are saying.

Until we get that person elected, and until we stop second guessing our own platform, we are gonna keep feeling bad.

Time to STAND!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:35 PM
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2. It's always darkest before the dawn
I sense a change in the force since the Terri Shiavo calamity.....things are not going well for the Empire.

2006 could well be a turning point for the congress.

Stay tuned and don't give up hope.

:hi:
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:35 PM
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3. Courage friend.
Things will change, yes, and some things for the worse. But this trend won't last forever.

As a small token, I offer you this link:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/04/050428094235.htm

It describes recent confirmed sightings of the ivory-billed woodpecker, thought to be extinct for the last 50-60 years.

Reason and decency aren't extinct, they're just laying low for the moment. I know it in my heart.
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demo dutch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:35 PM
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4. Me too, I immigrated to this country in 1979 (from Europe) I think maybe
I made a big mistake. This is not the same country that it used to be.
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Tux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:36 PM
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5. I'm 30
And I regret not having more fun and success in the 90's when things were based on reality. I'll miss how things were before fundies took over and decided to trash the planet so Jesus can return.
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rkc3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:42 PM
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6. My thoughts exactly.
I was driving to DC on Tuesday night and got to thinking about all of the things our government has done since 9/11. It was a pretty depressing drive from Pittsburgh.

It seems just about everything bush promised this country during his first campaign and his comments after 9/11 have been thrown out the window. The new laws passed by our legislators have been for the direct benefit of the wealthy or for large corporations - at the expense of the average American. This administration has done more to destroy our legacy and standing in the world than we could have ever thought possible.

I wonder if there were people in the Roman Empire who felt the same as some of us do now.

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Firenze777 Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 04:51 PM
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8. Feeling the same way
Got a bogus late charge on my credit card today- and no recourse, of course...Frist ain't backing down about the filibuster....Corporate Owned News (CON) is a joke....and most everyone I know is sleepwalking through their lives. Geez........
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-28-05 06:04 PM
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9. The ivory-billed woodpecker still exists!

Rediscovered in northeastern Arkansas, apparently, after 60+ years of being considered extinct. A gorgeous and amazing bird.

What we're seeing is the Right reviving all the ghouls and goblins of the past one more time (if only to get the rest of us to kill them off definitively), and getting the society so selfabsorbed with our myths/Past and past traumas that Reality kicks us in the nuts to get our attention that it needs some honest dealing-with too.

I don't remember the Cold War fondly. It wasn't much better, indeed, the present is dealing with stuff we deferred during it because we couldn't bear its full brunt and pain without in essence losing the Cold War. Since 1990 or 1992 we've fought a civil war about all the issues so long deferred- the Kuwait war was a revision of Korea, the Gingrich ugliness of 1995 a reliving and rearguing of McCarthyism, Lewinsky a reprise of the Sexual Revolution beginning, and the 2000 campaign an argument about Civil Rights and ending with that at heart of a disputed election a la 1960. The Iraq invasion/occupation is all Vietnam recapitulation- the Gulf of Tonkin "incident" is the WMD "evidence", the "insurgency" is the VC after Tet, our Hue is Fallujah, and our President Thieu is the Ja'afari/Chalabi thang. We've been refighting Stonewall in the form of gay marriage, Fidel and the Cuba crisis/trauma and incidents with bin Laden/Al Qaeda and Afghanistan. (I refrain from saying much about the Democratic Party in this conceptualization, but you can draw some parallels of your own about who did the FDR, Truman, Dewey, Stephenson, Eisenhower, JFK, Nixon, LBJ, Humphrey, Muskie, McGovern, Goldwater, Carter, Ford etc roles in all of it.)

We've run up to 1974ish in this horrid, vile, rerun of a bad movie. We're now re-doing the problems of the Six Day and Yom Kippur war outcomes (in Sharon's Gaza dealings and ko'ing Syria from Lebanon), the Oil Crisis (in the price run-up), the fight with OPEC (now with the Dallas energy industry mafia), stagflation and deficits, Republican Congress crapping out in scandals and partisan malfeasance, a Nixonish Presidency in the dying, Cointelpro reappearing as Patriot Act issues, and the issues of Roe v Wade and the "activist" courts/court stackings of the time reappearing as the Schiavo and filibuster-busting affairs. There's the renewed attack on women in academia. And we're going to be sparring with Iran for a while, arguing with Russia's neoimperialism, as well as putting the CIA back on Castro allies and revivals of Communism in Latin America in the foreseeable future. We're looking at GM needing a bailout in the foreseeable future, rather than Chrysler.

The good news is that we're in an accelerating re-run, going through the problems and arguments of the years of the past at a rate of roughly 4:1, a pickup from a 1:1 clip through the Fifties during the Nineties. The good news is, that all the issues being tackled are being done so definitively- after this goaround, through '08, the slower and reactionary half of the country will have caught up to where the liberal and "elite" half was in ~1990. Predictable is an inversion of the popular conservative backlash that coalesced ~1978 and went through 1985 as a comparable popular liberal backlash in late '05 and throughout '06 and then some.

In truly positive news, Americans are changing as a result. The country is slowly sliding our side's way, the moderate and nonpartisan center is starting to let go of the colonial/Settlement ways and conventions, of the Divine Order and Manifest Destiny.

We were going to go to nuclear energy in some form all along. The question was only the form of it and the care involved in so doing. We will generate- synthesize, on industrial scale- hydrocarbons from that source of energy, hydrocarbons being so convenient as intermediate energy carriers that the alternatives aren't really going to take their place. We will have to use nuclear energy to desalinate seawater, silly and unsound as the present distribution system is. Again, the question remains only the form of it and the care, and an unwillingness to accept the scale.

Overpopulation...well, no one really knows what it is, except that when resources are destroyed in too extensive a way and hostility in civil matters gets too high, we think that it exists. Arguing that other people are doing it isn't a solution, it's a step on the logic that leads to sanction of mass murder. The way to deal with it is to find better allocations of land, water, food, and wild/sacred places and negotiations that achieve living together more efficiently and peaceably and purposefully. The U.S. population is well studied and expected to reach a peak of 600 million in 2060 or so, so the argument is to cope. And it is incumbent on us to help others, explain to (though not impose on) other societies our best ideas about how they, too, can cope. Not all will do well or do so in bearable ways. Parts of the world have chosen to voluntarily cut down population. Others will do so by wars, famine, and semi-deliberate epidemics (i.e. AIDS in eastern Africa).

We live in a world where in many ways we must all, simply, perforce become less extreme and more efficient in material ways and more humane in our thinking. The pressures are all becoming evident, on the powerful (downward) and on the poor (upward) Barbarism is failing, civilization is the only way to succeed. Not an easy thing to learn, for many, but it is the conclusion that is necessary and inescapable.

It's a long and negative road we take as a species, only to discover that what we knew all along- civilization, rationality, clarity, and humanity- are what we need to obey.

Until then, it's a couple of rocky years while the overt barbarisms- feudalism, plutocracy, authoritarianism, warlordism, nationalism, neocolonialism, fundamentalism, traditionalism (paganism)- continue to fight each other in big runs at domination.

The present is an aberration, a time in which the overt barbarisms have seemingly won and yet have so conspicuously failed at the same time to deliver much of what they promised to their adherents. Only the thieving/plunderings kinds have really done well, and (as I see it) it's only a matter of time before the civilized and the victims go and even out the situation.

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