Poll majority say they'd be likely to vote for Clinton (News)

[Ian_rd]

OK, first of all I don't believe it:

Poll majority say they'd be likely to vote for Clinton

For the first time, a majority of Americans say they are likely to vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton if she runs for president in 2008, according to a USA TODAY/CNN/Gallup Poll taken Friday through Sunday.

The survey shows that the New York senator and former first lady has broadened her support nationwide over the past two years, though she still provokes powerful feelings from those who oppose her.

Clinton commands as much strong support - but more strong opposition - as George W. Bush did in a Newsweek poll in November 1998, two years before the 2000 election. She is in slightly stronger position than then-vice president Al Gore, the eventual 2000 Democratic nominee, was in 1998.

I really don't support the idea for two main reasons:

1. She can't win. For the past 12 years, the right-wing media has been equating the Clintons with the earthly incarnation of Satan himself. While she may achieve majorities every now and then, there are just way too many people that she could NEVER influence.

2. In a little over a decade, we've had Daddy Bush and Bush Jr. as presidents. Do we really want to have a husband and wife in the same position? Does that sound like a healthy democracy? Or a monarchy by choice?

Ian

[Benhurst]

1. She should stay in the Senate. No more dynasties. NT

[rniel]

2. They're setting us up for a BIG sucker punch

Republicans want hillary to run more than anything.

[Ian_rd]

4. Yes

I believe that is absolutely correct. Rove and Co. must touch themselves at the thought of Hillary running.

During Bill's tenure, the right-wing machine was saying that the evil Hillary was pulling Bill's strings. This time they would say that the evil Bill is pulling Hillary's strings.

[LuPeRcALiO]

3. The poll doesn't really say that.

It says:

'In the poll, 29% were "very likely" to vote for Clinton for president if she runs in 2008; 24% were "somewhat likely." Seven percent were "not very likely" and 39% were "not at all likely" to vote for her.'

A more truthful headline would be, "53% might vote for Clinton if she were the nominee."

[Generator]

6. Indeed

And ask yourselves, ladies and gentlemen, WHY would it be our best friends aka the corporate media would be pushing this angle? We all know they have our best intersts at heart, right?

Spin. And Hillary will proabably believe it. Of course she believes Bush won a mandate on "values" too. Trust nothing they say. The far right and the far left would never vote Hillary. The medium right and the medium left (me I guess) neither. I'd rather "waste" my vote on someone I liked.

Oh and is she going to have the voting machines fixed?

[RaleighNCDUer]

5. When we see polls saying that she is the candidate the repubs most

fear, then we will know she is the one they know they can beat. If they encourage her to run, then we will know that they are afraid of her.

Everything is bass-ackwards about these guys.

[Ian_rd]

7. Drudge ...

Drudge is already setting it up, claiming that she'd get conservative support:

Screenshot from Drudge just a few seconds ago:

[LittleClarkie]

8. It's too early, so folks are voting for the pol whose name they recognize

And as Dean found out, the last thing you want to be is the frontrunner this early. The game becomes "get the frontrunner."

So how does the RW strike the delicate balance between smear and sweet talk because they really, really hope it's her they get to face?

[carrowsboy]

9. I SO agree with you

"2. In a little over a decade, we've had Daddy Bush and Bush Jr. as presidents. Do we really want to have a husband and wife in the same position? Does that sound like a healthy democracy? Or a monarchy by choice?"

This has been my biggest contention on why she should NOT run!

Bush - Clinton - Bush - Clinton, presidents for upwards of 28 years?

NO WAY!

This is NOT democracy. Add on the friendship between Poppy and Big Dog and this spells trouble.

This is why I was so praying Kerry would win, a break in the loop.

[FrenchieCat]

10. Pure naked Corporate Media Manipulation.....

We know it...but so many others don't.

Pravda had nothing on our "free" Presstitutes!

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[Dawgs]

12. I know we don't necessarily want her as President, but...

It sure would be nice to see Coulter's head explode when Hillary won. That woman/man dedicated about four years of her life(and a book or two) trying to destroy Hillary.

[Ian_rd]

14. Hillary would never win, Dawgs ...

About the only thing better for Rove and Co. would be a Jane Fonda / Spongebob Squarepants 2008 campaign.

This Hillary '08 nonsense needs to end immediately.

[FrenchieCat]

15. But it won't....

It was started for a reason....and that reason is still with us!

Rethuglicans and their Corporate Media Whores are on this....and they ain't about to let go!

[faithnotgreed]

16. i had been VERY skeptical but after watching bob straus on charlie rose

show last night i have to admit it made me pause to think of the likelihood
i thought like many here that this was being manufactured by the right which is still partially true but sounds like there could be more to it

bob strauss (dem) is now 86 and has been political advisor, friend, etc to many presidents starting esp with lyndon johnson but quite a behind the scenes figure through clinton
in other words he has always been part of washington politics and former chairman of the dnc. instrumental in texas politics of many years incl helping to beat bush senior in his run for texas senator though friends with him to this day

he is quiet spoken, intelligent, modest, and seemed forthright. charlie rose spoke with him for a long time and one question was if hillary clinton would be president

bob strauss wasnt sure but he felt she was qualified. and one thing he said confirmed what weve heard rumblings of: she is very well liked on both sides of the aisle and has been the most bipartisan/effective first time senator he has ever seen. and that she is well liked by republican legislators in ny

so all this to say like it or not it does seem hillary has a real and growing political fan base and not just manufactured by the media
eg newt gingrich

so take this as you will. it sounds like this could really be one direction the democratic party could go

[LuPeRcALiO]

17. Charlie Rose is part of the media.

Didn't see it and can't comment but PBS is not exactly Truth Central these days.

[faithnotgreed]

18. hi lu - that wasnt my point however. sorry if i wasnt clear

i was trying to convey that bob strauss who has a lot of inside knowledge is basically confirming - as a long time democrat who seemed to have integrity - that he has heard lots of support for hillary from both sides.

so as i pointed out, the media is likely still part of this but the idea wthat hillary could actually be getting these favorable poll results that we are hearing about also seems to be rooted in some facts on the ground

im no fan just passing along something i thought was an interesting perspective. and as i also said, take it for what its worth to you

and i certainly agree that charlie rose is entrenched in the whole thing that is now called "news". not quite as offensive as some and does offer various guests with different opinions but still most definitely represents a lot that is wrong in corporate media

he was riding the other guest, ny speaker of the house sheldon silver, about what it take for him to vote for the new stadium the ny mayor wants for the 2012 olympics
it was not pleasant to see his obvious bias and he just kept asking and asking what it would take, and he knows silver will eventually vote yes etc

it was one of the first times ive watched rose in a long time and now i remember why i turned him off
hes an awful interviewer and always talks over the guests

[LuPeRcALiO]

19. okay thanks

to be honest his show is one of the few I can stand though I haven't seen it in a while.

Hillary? I dunno. Personally I think she's just making sure Rudy doesn't run against her in '06, or whenever she's up. I see absolutely no chance of her winning in '08. But as a metaphor for "Anybody but another Bush clone," I guess it's helpful to use her as a kind of placeholder in media stories.

[faithnotgreed]

20. your tolerance must be better than mine!

but yes charlie rose isnt the worst. and thats saying something these days because there is so much competition for that honor!

it is still too early to sort out where this is heading and i agree that i dont think she has any chance to win but if enough politicos want to push something then stranger things have happened

we shall just have to wait and see. i know there are lots of people here who dont want anything to do with hillary. im not sure how its split but between peoples distrust of who the media pushes for us and the fact that she has some questionable senate votes and her other baggage, then she isnt the most popular.
i dont care for her myself but its still a long way off...

glad youre here with us and im sure ill see you around
have a great weekend

[LuPeRcALiO]

21. thanks faithnotgreed

I guess anything's possible if the stars align and things get bad enough, and if they do, Hillary will definitely be in the right place at the right time!