GOP Seek to turn California Into Red State (Paperless Diebold machines?)

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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050613/ap_on_go_ot/california_politics


GOP Seek to Turn California Into Red State

By BETH FOUHY, special Associated Press Writer Mon Jun 13, 4:43 AM ET

LOS OLIVOS, Calif. - In this picturesque region outside Santa Barbara, most of the local chatter centers on the nearby Michael Jackson trial and the continuing tourist boom wrought by the hit movie "Sideways." But neither pinot noir nor the "King of Pop" were on the agenda this weekend at a conference of Republican activists, where Gov.
Arnold Schwarzenegger was the focus. <snip>

These basters will do anything!
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1. They slice & dice democrats who believe diebold cheats from

dems who do not - every place they put those machines. This pays the repukes off every single time the issue comes up.

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3. I am finding it hard to believe that Democrats can...

do nothing to fight back.

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8. How can we fight back if some of us don't believe that the machines

were toyed with? I end up fighting with fellow DU who believe the machines were messed with.

Can't we agree to agree that there were irregularities and that there have always been games played and that we have to clean the thing up and state by state fight the fight?

Because we always get stuck on diebold. It separates us. Of course they are going to put those machines everywhere. They want the Dem party to be split. They separate us from our posse and then they'll get their 'tightly tied bundle of sticks'(where the word fascism comes from) who are 1) patriots the patsies 2) religious 3) racist 4) the worst of the corporates 4) the elites ("I call you my base" said W)corporate to all hand together during the 2006 elections.

How can we get together and agree that election reform and paper trails have to happen without starting to fight over diebold (the easy way out - the repukes have been stalking the liberal Americans for 30 years - so not believing in diebold when there is no proof is a bigger problem). I hope that DSM is the item broken hearted and shocked DUers can sink there teeth into - because there is lots of proof the neocons had perpetual and aggressive was on their agenda. And perhaps some healing will take place. So American will be ready to fight the tougher battle (GOP & neocon manipulation of the truth & tribalization of the US populace into groups that suit their electoral needs).

Sorry.

My heart falls every time I see another country buy the diebold. It is the gift that keeps on giving to the sociopaths in Washington. They just give a little bit of different fear to one group, another kind of fear to another group, more fear of a third kind for group number three, and on and on. And Americans end up following that thread of fear where it leads them. Which is not to their big tent if they are democrats. And to the 'new' big tent if they are repuke voters.

That is the problem. Will Americans become sophisticated enough to see the underlying patter of "different fears" activated for "different populations": dividing or coalescing American groups depending on the recipe Karl Rove needs to win the next election.

Or will we follow our worst fears and be separated from each other.

I expect diebold to be the thing the GOP harps on and bring to the forefront the most often in this next year. It pays off for them in division among democrats every time.

It takes a long time to become more discerning and less likely to wear your heart on your sleeve. Will we make it to 2006 together? Or will we be separated by the problems the White House intentionally doesn't solve?

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9. Here in State of WA, we just passed the bill all machines MUST

have paper ballots to verified by voter before he or she put in the voting box, also, all machines MUST have open source for inspections. Luckily, Dem's have all three branch first time this year in years. This is reason why we were able to pass this bill the right way!

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10. Wonderful. Hopefully come 06 more state legislatures will be dem.

And then you can have the confidence in elections again. And people will not be torn apart and purposely separated by the issue.

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14. People don't realize, Snohomish County voting machings were

pre-programed (for Rossi) before election and that's why it was so close. I guess, they didn't do their math right. Snohomish County is Democratic County and it shock the investigather who did the in-depth investigation on this matter, how GOP pre-programed the machines and all the machines were never inspected before election.

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11. Are you defending Diebold and other Republican privately owned companies?

Are you saying that Diebold and ES&S have no involvement in the factual information and results that have been released and exposed about the companies (and Sequoia), and the fraudulent results that have occured due to the usage of their machines and optical scanners.

Are you saying that these privately owned Republican companies should be allowed to own our votes and not provide the voting results and ballot data to the public?

And are you saying they should be allowed to count votes with a central tabulator, minus a paper ballot back up, minus civilian oversight?

I don't want ANYONE owning my vote. Democrat or Republican.

Montana outlawed the electronic voting machines. So should every other state.

Perhaps I misread what you wrote.

Please explain.

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12. I don't think any company with political affiliations should have the

contract. I think any computer should be built and run by the federal government as is the case in many, many places in the world. So if there is a problem in trust..then the federal government owes a quick study and action on the issue. Yes I would like to see the machines go. But I don't believe they were skewed with. I believe much else went on in terms of ploys. I do think that every American deserves a ballot with a receipt. I think it is the President's primary responsibility to see that his people trust the democratic process.

Do you get what I say when I say this issue divides us... as it is meant to?

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16. Seems you are implying it's a contrived issue. It's contrived but not in

way you are seeming to imply.

You are making it a divisive issue when it is very much a bi-partisan issue. Its an issue that faces every election and both (and any and all) parties.

The divisiveness comes from the very blatant and transparently obvious fact that Republicans have essentially taken over the voting tabulation and procedures by which the ballots are counted. You BET that's divisive. Again, however, not in the way you are implying that its just some harmless rumor floating about.

Your implication of it being a harmless rumor is as equally divisive as the theory you promote.

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18. I am only implying that there is divisiveness between parts of the Dem

party as to how bad the dirty tricks were. And how illegal. This division does exist. A normal president would not let such lack of trust by the voters fester. A neocon Rovian patsy would. They get a payoff.

By fester I mean the division between the people who don't think the machines were messed with and the people who do.

And yes - Bush not racing to fix the voting issue - is a contrived response to the problem. (I am sure you agree that if you are right and I am wrong, Bush has no personal knowledge of code being fixed). So why does he ignore it? Because he is not a president who takes responsibility for anything or reads anything. He is completely handled by his handlers. An empty vessel.

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13. I think, you mis read my tread.

I said, at least with open source of the machines and paper trail, it's harder for GOP to steal votes. With open source code inside the machines, Bev (blackbox voting) can go in and inspect the machine for codes for any signs of hacking. All the machines will be inspected when they arrive for open source and re-sealed until the election day. This past election, machines had no paper trail, they were not inspected because there were no law.

Yes, I do think we should out law all voting machines!

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15. No, I'm not... I still don't trust the diebold machines even with paper tr

and open code source. At least, it's better than, what we did have... No Paper trail, no open source code to verified for hacking of the machines. I vote absentee.

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2. Turn blue into red in just nine steps! Arnolds plan...

Step 1 - replace Democratic governor with movie star/novice politician - done
Step 2 - replace Democratic Secretary of State with republican - done
Step 3 - allow paperless, unverifiable voting machines - in progress
Step 4 - circumvent state legislature with special elections - in progress
Step 5 - inundate California TV stations with pro-schwarzenegger and anti-legislature commercials, claiming that the legislature can't fix the deficit "because they created it" - done
Step 6 - stage series of publicity stunts, for example purposely making a new pothole then staging a photo-op of it being filled - done
Step 7 - uh-oh, the teacher's unions, nurses' unions and Indian tribes are fighting back with blitzes of TV commercials of their own. Emergency step: demonize all 3 of these groups as "special interests" and say you're going to "kick their ass" to roaring applause of hand-picked audience - done
Step 8 - Address issue of plummeting approval ratings in California - someone get to work on this, now.
Step 9 - Render majority of voters, state legislature, and state constitution moot, powerless and irrelevant - in progress

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4. Republicans are Vile; Californians must eventually revolt against them

They can't WIN California in the battle of ideas, so they will try to STEAL it with Diebold machines instead.

Yeah, that sounds like a winning strategy for the long haul. :eyes:

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6. Republicans are indeed vile!

Greedy, fascist, money-whores. They are like a whole other species which (while they may be interesting to study from a psychological standpoint) should NEVER be voted into positions of power. Only the stupid and/or greedy vote Republican. And a republican is still a republican - even if he is a famous moovee star.

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5. I am so sick of Arnie, he is dirt bag!

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7. dems in the CA legislature are crap eating cowards who

are totally clueless about evoting fraud and machine rigging and are doing NOTHING to see that elections remain truly open, fair, and free.

they have sold out to the republicans by voting for a republican as secretary of state and do not want to hear anything about or do anything about evoting fraud.

I think our legislature is the enemy of true democrats.

sorry, but that is the truth here in California.

Msongs
www.msongs.com
riverside CA

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19. Sadly, tragically, you're right.

I watched in disbelief as the State Assembly, the majority of whom were Democrats, basically handed the state over to the repuglican party, with their vote for McPherson.

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17. i hope no one here believes CA is some "swing state"

because i have some bridges to sell you.

people need to hammer home that ANY red shift of CA to GOP is PROOF of voter fraud. ANY AND ALL.

CA is livid at what's going on from these bastards, and may no one else forget it. f'in quackenbush, f'in pete wilson, f'in gropenfuhrer, f'in criminals the lot of them. w/ 5mil from SF area, 8 mil from LA, and then most of the coast (y'know, where most of the people live), let no one confuse anyone that CA is nothing but strongly blue.

remember: CA goes red = Voter Fraud is Real and voter machine revolution needs to take place ASAP.

i want to witness those machines being destroyed in the trash compactor.