mike malloy just said chuck hagel will probably

[orleans]

experience an airplane accident (for what he came out and said about b*shit!)

hey, hagel is growing a set!

"Things aren't getting better; they're getting worse."

"The White House is completely disconnected from reality," he said.

"It's like they're just making it up as they go along."

"The reality is, we're losing in Iraq."

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/050620/20hagel.htm

:woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo: :woohoo:

[gristy]

1. Read this column by Ron Suskind

It explains why indeed "The White House is completely disconnected from reality":

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do."

http://cscs.umich.edu/~crshalizi/sloth/2004-10-16b.html

[librechik]

2. and that man's name...was Dr. Doom

seriously, how arrogant are these people? Archvillain level?



sounds like a line out of a WWII prison camp movie.

[ailsagirl]

5. Absolutely chilling. That's why one of my bumper stickers reads

"Proud member of the reality-based community"

Though I wonder how many of my fellow motorists get the allusion...

:shrug:

[LunaC]

11. "It is important to shape circumstances...."

PNAC Statement of Principles

You see this concept played out in everything they do.

[rocktivity]

3. The Great Filibuster Compromise has something to do with this

It's creeping up on 2006, and the "real" Repubs are starting to worry about their personal job security if not their future in the party. The compromise sent the message that they're all not as inflexible and fanatical as their leadership. We've seen Voinivich stand up for stem cell research, Martinez stand up against oil wells in Florida, and now this. If a Repub is willing to go on record as saying that "we're losing in Iraq," is getting enough of them to vote for impeachment still COMPLETELY outside of the realm of possibility?

:headbang:
rocknation

[orleans]

4. "is getting enough of them to vote for impeachment"

"still COMPLETELY outside of the realm of possibility?"

LET'S HOPE NOT!


:D

[FreedomAngel82]

7. I don't think so

But I also know it won't happen very fast. If there are republicans distancing themselves from Bush they do have to becareful because of Rove and everybody on his team. They don't want lose their power. But I think if they're careful and plan in private how to take down Bush etc. then it could be a possibility. We have to keep supporting those who do come to the side of reality and let them know they aren't alone and have people rooting for them. Example is Barbara Boxer with Ohio.

[OneBlueSky]

6. when it comes to Hagel, things are not always as they appear . . .

there's a hidden agenda at work here, though I'm not privy to just exactly what it's all about . . . one possibility is that he's getting ahead of public opinion on the war so that he'll be seen as a "leader" when said opinion totally shifts against the war (coming soon) . . . sets him up nicely for a national campaign, don'tcha think? . . .

[FreedomAngel82]

8. I think that's it with Hagel

Remember this guy is a twenty year something friend of the Bush family and he was VERY VERY close to becoming Bush's VP choice in 2000 instead of Cheney but the "powers that be" so to speak probably choose Cheney because of Halliburton and everything. He also has ties to the ES&S voting machine which is ties with Diebold. Someone told me that his seat isn't up until 2008 either so he doesn't have to worry about that. I think he knows a lot of the public is tired of Iraq and people dying and nothing going on. Nobody is liking it anymore so he's definitley coming out now. Someone also told me he has been against Iraq since 2003 but I don't know how he voted. But then I think that any republican who is the nominee for 2008 will have to have Bush's blessing for really devoted republicans to vote for him. If a republican comes out against Bush and he doesn't endorse him this canidate won't make it far. Hagel is also apart of Bilderberg isn't he?? If he is a lot of them don't want Iran last I heard so I really don't know.

[AntiCoup2K4]

10. The "powers that be" was Cheney himself.

He picked the cabinet, and most of them came straight off the PNAC roster. Hagel's only usefulness to them is his voting machines.

[lumpy]

9. Pfffft...Hagel's looking out for Hagel.

pishtosh pffft!